Phat Michael
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do tangle free cables exist? unless it is something really rigid right?
Diminishing returns affects everything. You have to spend a hell of a lot of money to get that extra 5-10% in clarity whatever else you are looking for. I dont know what you mean by "secretly terrible" - it may not be worth the money...but "terrible" is a pretty subjective opinion.
I dont mind people questioning or asking me why i bought something - but the attitude is never appreciated, particularly when it is so condescending. It's amazing how far people will go out of their way to push their viewpoint across that something doesnt matter (Cables/DACs etc) - if someone has purchased the product and likes it, then why waste your time researching quotes from random people which highlights how one person couldnt tell the difference?
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I really don't think anyone can believe that full range speakers with an entire array of small drivers sound like top of the line speakers (too small for good bass when played loud) yet you see that more commonly than you should in car-priced loudspeaker designs.
The more I look at Hi-Fi equipment, the more I noticed that the very best studio monitors are probably what most people in the market should be looking at. I'd murder for a good pair of PMC or ATC active floorstanders.
yikes, that pic might be NSFW
lol @ that link redirect image. might want to reupload that pic to imgur or something
Do you have an amp for the electrostats?
You looking at closed or open backed EL-8?
sorry i didnt see anything but the speakers and the amp??? was it something bad? i removed the pic in any case.
I'm thinking of the Stax 3170. I want the lambda based driver (same driver in 307 407 and 507) as lambda headphone are the ones I've wanted since the 80's. I heard a pair in 1995 and that's always been my ultimate headphone. It's mich more expensive than the 2170 sustem due to the improved amp and energizer.
EL-8 are half the price of the Stax 3170 hence the quandary. Do I buy the EL-8 and that will be 'good wnough' or might I still want the Stax.
Ebay prices for used Stax are stupid high, so might as well go new with a warranty
Probably one of the best hot-link / redirect images I've seen in a long time haha.
I'm assuming you're preparing yourself a nice audition room. If this is the case, I recommend sticking with full range floorstanders. They're just better.
If you're simply looking at bookshelves to use in an office or bedroom, I seriously recommend looking at high end active studio monitors if you don't mind how they look (i.e. Dynaudio, Genelec, Adam, etc). The price has generally gone down and the quality has gone up astronomically. At this point, good active speakers are just better than non-DIY passive speakers and you save yourself a significant amount of space in the process.
No idea about the amp but the KEF Uni-Q driver system is actually pretty good. Their older models were crazy small and had front ported bass reflect ports so you could stuff them in really tight locations without too much issue.
Because the Devialet 120 with SAM sounded so good with the diminutive S1s, I figured I’d try it with Magico’s enormous Q7s, a pair of which sat in the background in my room. I’ve struggled a bit to find appropriate amplification for the Q7s. I’ve tried numerous amplifiers, and up to this point the best partner for them had easily been Gryphon’s Mephisto -- which costs $57,000. Nothing else I’d tried had been as satisfying.
Until now.
Would you believe that the best match I’ve heard for the $185,000/pair Magico Q7 is the $6495 Devialet 120? I know -- hard to fathom.
I could not believe my ears. The Q7s’ bass was now superior to anything I’d previously heard from those speakers, in my or any other room. It was the most profound bass I’d ever heard, period. Like nothing I’d experienced before, the Q7s were energizing my room and my entire house
If you've got $10,000 to blow on a complete system, try and find yourself a pair of ATC SCM11 to listen to. Its a sealed enclosure and has some incredibly tight bass even if it doesn't go very deep. If more bass is required, full range floor standers or a good subwoofer is a good option.
The KEFs are good but I think there are better options in that price range and with that amount of budget. The older Uni-Q models before the LS50 were all front ported from memory. I had a pair for a while and I can vouch for their quality.
The new Stax (unlike the older ones) take line level input to the energizer so they are a combined amp and energizer. I do have plenty of amps that would work though.
Open back EL-8. Hd-25-1 has my closed back needs taken care of.
I'm thinking of the Stax 3170. I want the lambda based driver (same driver in 307 407 and 507) as lambda headphone are the ones I've wanted since the 80's. I heard a pair in 1995 and that's always been my ultimate headphone. It's mich more expensive than the 2170 sustem due to the improved amp and energizer.
EL-8 are half the price of the Stax 3170 hence the quandary. Do I buy the EL-8 and that will be 'good wnough' or might I still want the Stax.
Ebay prices for used Stax are stupid high, so might as well go new with a warranty
I haven't been let down by Stax yet, the transparency of estats beats hd800 and lcd 3. Some people even prefer Sr 507 to lcd3.
Btw, stax sr 3170 sells for usd$830 at pricejapan.
If you really want to go through the local route, make sure to call the store and haggle the price down. I got a $800 disc when I bought my SR009.. the RRP for stax products outside Jp is grossly inflated..
At $1600, i would rather buy a sr 007mk1.
Btw... any recommendations for:
IE up to 80$ with decent to good sound (in that price range obviously), great isolation(that's most important to me), minimal microphonics and if possible tangle free cables?
I believe the driver in the 207 is the same all the way up to the 507 and the only differences are in the frame and pads? If you can score a cheaper 207 you can funnel the rest of the costs into a better energizer than what comes with the 2170 system and possibly upgrade to the leather 507 pads which would bring the signature closer to that phone. It's kinda crazy what happened to these systems after the collectors got their claws in em, they used to be much cheaper
Are you using an amp for your HE's? Post some pics of your setup.
What do you think of the new Hifiman amp and HE-1000's? I posted a few pics earlier and i think they look amazing...
My budget is for both the energizer and earspeakers hence the 3170 - $1500 is really my sky's the limit and if I can keep it under $1000 that would be good.
There appears to be only one authorized dealer for Stax in the USA which limits my bargaining power. I've been thinking about pricejapan, and may just risk it - the 3170 is only a bit more than the 2170 from an official US dealer.
There used to be a Stax dealer in the Boston area, but can't find them now.
Edit: I'm going to be in Hong Kong at the end of March. Wonder if it's worth looking for there. Anyone know any high end used hifi shops there?
Do you have already have a speaker amp? If so, buying a woo Wee + SR307 might be a cheaper option.
http://wooaudio.com/products/wee.html
Oh yeah, there is the Woo Wee, so you can maybe spend a bit more to convert the 307 to a faux 507 with the leather pads.
Diminishing returns affects everything. You have to spend a hell of a lot of money to get that extra 5-10% in clarity whatever else you are looking for. I dont know what you mean by "secretly terrible" - it may not be worth the money...but "terrible" is a pretty subjective opinion.
I also think expensive is relative. i got my HD800s for $999 - some may think that is expensive but i think that is such good value for what is often considered one of the top 3 sets on the planet.
I often notice that people question equipment that they have never actually heard. That i think is really stupid.
I dont mind people questioning or asking me why i bought something - but the attitude is never appreciated, particularly when it is so condescending. It's amazing how far people will go out of their way to push their viewpoint across that something doesnt matter (Cables/DACs etc) - if someone has purchased the product and likes it, then why waste your time researching quotes from random people which highlights how one person couldnt tell the difference?
Audio is very subjective (although what you said about a high output amplifier and IEMs is true and factual) - for every article you cite about cables being a waste of time, you can find one about how someone installing a Nordost Heimdall 2 completely changed the way someones system sounded. Is that person a liar, maybe, or maybe the cable does sound different and they are happy with it?
I will be getting my new cables for my LCD3s and HD800s in the next week or so. Im going to post a review before and after on Head-fi - i thought of doing the same thing here but the culture is so toxic about this kind of thing that i really dont see the point.
I can predict the responses already:
- Cables dont make a difference
- what a waste of money
- they just look good, what a waste.
- typical "audiophile" - just wasting money for no good reason.
So in a forum meant to discuss headphones, i cant actually do this because there will be 4-5 people ready to jump down my throat because I appreciate something that they dont.
Buysonic.comWhere did you get HD800s for a G? I need to get on that tip.
ayy lmao
Woo audio just replied to my email and confirmed that input impedance of the wee is 4-16 ohms. Which sounds more expected but begs the question why does the user manual say 100kohms..
Sounds like it should work with my tube amp
Happened to my HD555 as well. A real bummer that was
I think there was a mistake with the manual, 100k ohms is for the output iirc...
If you are not in a rush, I'll be selling my Woo Wee when my BHSE arrives (supposed to be sometime this month....).
How would you use a Geek Out as a Dac with another amp given its limited inputs? Thinking about ordering a Lyr 2 as I was originally going to do after all the issues I've had with the Geek but given my hours have been cut lately(cheap oil ;-I'd rather get the Bifrost a month or two down the line.
Edit: Project Polaris seems to be a well regarded match up too, and it looks neat!
You use the higher impedance headphone output. I've done that from the GO into my Leckerton and it works great.How would you use a Geek Out as a Dac with another amp given its limited inputs?
The PAS2002 PCA. 2x270W into 4 Ohm, fully balanced, handbuilt in Germany, honest and pristine as heck.
Also, yes, this is what every Class A/B looks like. Puristic built.
In this case, think away the board for the VU meters and pots and you are left with 2 mono power amp channels as good as any.
If you want honest pristine power without any kind of sound tuning, this is it.