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(*) Ali Salehi, a rendering engineer at Crytek contrasts the next Gen consoles in interview (Up: Tweets/Article removed)

I truly cannot believe how *much* people seem to care about what will ultimately amount to minor differences in technical terms in the end.

Do any of you (that are so wrapped up in the hardware dick measuring) care about games?
I'm just trying to learn more about the PS5 for now. It's a very unconventional machine and it fascinates me.

Besides, I do need to pass the time until the games showcase.
 
I'm just trying to learn more about the PS5 for now. It's a very unconventional machine and it fascinates me.

Besides, I do need to pass the time until the games showcase.

I get being interested in hardware, but that's not who I'm talking to.

I'm talking about those who are looking for proof that their console is "better" and are fighting tooth and nail to defend it.
 
Whatever makes you feel better about stanning a system you haven't even so much as used yet, boski. It doesn't upset me near as much as you want it to. I'm a realist. lol

The fact of the matter is, despite all this, you STILL said that Tflops were "everything" when viewed in context, which isn't true. You fanboy'd even as you decry others for making silly fanboy comments. You didn't just say how they factored in, you said that, in context, they WERE indeed "everything". They're still not. They're a big piece, but far, far from "everything.

You can toss out irrelevant hardware differences to try to upset me (for whatever reason) all you like, but the fact is... you're just as much a fanboy who's pretending to be above the fray and enlightened. You're not.
I'm over this shit, you guys are going to get laughed off this forum in the end. Don't say you were not warned heavily.
 
Pretty sure that's bullshit, his twitter feed is filled with him holding PS4 games on his hands.
Can someone screenshot and post it, please? I keep hearing this, yet the sole evidence anyone's actually posted is him showing interest in the PS5 reveal and praising MGS4 and TLOU II. If this is true, It'd inform some of this.
 

Elginer

Member
I'm sure the PS5 will be a fantastic system just show me some damn games and the OS enhancements. It's what I care about the most. Make multimedia better please. Xboxes Movies Anywhere app is the tits.
 

TheStruggler

Report me for trolling ND/TLoU2 threads
LONG LIVE THE REIGNING, DEFENDING, UNIVERSALLY LOVED CONSOLE KING; PLAYYYYYYYSTATION
Why did I read this in Bruce Buffers voice:

ITSSSSSSSSSSS TIMMEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

"Introducing first FIGHTINGGGG out of the green corner, from the United States of America from MS world wide, holding a record of zero wins and three losses, boasting at 13 TERAFLOPS the CHALLENNNNGERRRRRR, XBOX "Ive got a plan" SERIESSSSSS XXXXXXXXXXXX"

"Now introducing the champion, FIGHTINGGGGG out of the blue corner. Reigning from Tokyo, Japan. Holding a console record of four wins and zero losses. Holding the fastest SSD at this time. THE REIGNING, DEFENDINGGGG, UNDISPUTEDDDDDDD KING OF CONSOLES, The SONNNYYYY "I've got 5 on it" Playstationnnnnnn FIVVVVVEEEEEEEEEE!
 
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CJY

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I truly cannot believe how *much* people seem to care about what will ultimately amount to minor differences in technical terms in the end.

Minor differences means a lot to me. Especially in VR where I'm very sensitive and even a single frame drop or bad framepacing can make me feel sickness.

This is why the only console that supports VR, and is expressly engineered for rock-solid, consistent game execution is important and every frame matters.

The comparison between XSX and PS5 isn't nearly as interesting. There is no comparison really. XSX just has a bit more Flops, but it's philosophy is stuck squarely in the realm of PC-centrism.

End of the day, it's all about the games, but it's the hardware that enables the games, and how they're set up has obvious, tangible influence on how a game performs.
 
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Jon Neu

Banned
Can someone screenshot and post it, please? I keep hearing this, yet the sole evidence anyone's actually posted is him showing interest in the PS5 reveal and praising MGS4 and TLOU II. If this is true, It'd inform some of this.

You could actually go to his twitter, you know.

 
I truly cannot believe how *much* people seem to care about what will ultimately amount to minor differences in technical terms in the end.

Do any of you (that are so wrapped up in the hardware dick measuring) care about games?

The bottom line is a questionable interview triumphed as some Pillar of Truth, some “smoking gun,” and incredulous statements/logic were being completely glossed over by people so desperate to see PS5 get some leg up.

Bullshit should get called out, regardless of system/brand/whatever.

For me this isn’t an Xbox vs Playstation issue, its a “don’t tell me a weaker GPU is better than a stronger GPU” issue. The fanboying is rampant everywhere and turning into delusion
 

Elog

Member
This thread is really interesting - but more emotions than rational thought :)

Personally, I am not sure which machine that will perform the best in reality. Clear is that the superficial numbers benefit Xbox. However, we all know that Tflops is very far from everything for a smooth experience, which is why I find Cerny's interview very interesting. And I sincerely hope that the new Xbox does not run windows light for compatibility reasons - that will cause unwanted limitations for Xbox owners.

Cerny has so far been a bit of magician with the PS4 so while I was certain that Xbox would have the advantage when I read the initial news I am far from certain now.

Ps. Those that state that CUs is everything do not fully understand rendering/ graphics. Cerny and the interview here makes a lot of valid points. Come later this year we will eventually see when we can compare the same game on both machines. DF will most likely do a proper forensic examination!
 

fast_taker

Member
There is another thread that contadicts what this thread/developer implies. Which is the one to believe will remain a mystery until both consoles are released. It is weird though what the crytek dev says about ps5 being easier to develop because ms took the other way around with the xbox operating system belonging to the same ecosystem with windows. Wouldn't that be a pro and not a con when it comes to game development? Aren't game devs in favor of directx and the porting capabilities it provides when it comes to game development? What he says sounds a bit incoherent to me. Plus, when it comes to being biased in favor or against a console, how can a reader be sure of all the things said and presented in an interview? I am not implying anything, i am just wondering about the contradicting developer opinions out there.

Lastly when it comes to pc gaming for example we all know that a simple ssd (not to mention a nvme) with a high performance cpu/gpu is what the gamer needs to get the best gaming experience . It seems that some devs think the other way around these days which once again sounds weird to me.
 

Clear

CliffyB's Cock Holster
I'm just trying to learn more about the PS5 for now. It's a very unconventional machine and it fascinates me.

Besides, I do need to pass the time until the games showcase.

I don't think its that unconventional really. Its just typical of Cerny's approach to take a largely familiar architecture then make specific optimizations for performance whilst staying out of the coder's way. In a word, its utilitarian.

Very good attitude to take imho, especially when going up against MS, who's technology and API's are inevitably going to be de-facto standards due to the sheer reach and historic dominance of their software offerings.
 

Kokoloko85

Member
Lol but but power of xbox power???

who gives a fuck, play your games.
Clearly one side of the console war cares about power and the other more the games.....
 
The bottom line is a questionable interview triumphed as some Pillar of Truth, some “smoking gun,” and incredulous statements/logic were being completely glossed over by people so desperate to see PS5 get some leg up.

Bullshit should get called out, regardless of system/brand/whatever.

For me this isn’t an Xbox vs Playstation issue, its a “don’t tell me a weaker GPU is better than a stronger GPU” issue. The fanboying is rampant everywhere and turning into delusion
The running logic (or lack thereof) around this place is quite simple, if you actually took hold of what people are saying here it would equate to the 2080 Super as being more capable of a GPU than the 2080 Ti because it's clocked considerably higher.

Completely throwing the bus size out the window, throwing the ROPs out the window, throwing the bandwidth out the window, throwing the TMU's out the window, throwing the shader cores out the window, throwing the SM's out the window (CU's), throwing the teraflops out the window.

That is the level of logic on display here, not one person on Earth would make that argument because it's just wrong, and yet here we are and they're doing exactly that. It's pure unadulterated delusion.
 
Lol but but power of xbox power???

who gives a fuck, play your games.
Clearly one side of the console war cares about power and the other more the games.....

Which side triumphed this interview as new proof of PS5s magic hidden power?

Cmon

Now it’s cool to pretend like “Xbox fans” are the only ones who care about the specs. What was the purpose of this thread, then?
 
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Ps. Those that state that CUs is everything do not fully understand rendering/ graphics. Cerny and the interview here makes a lot of valid points. Come later this year we will eventually see when we can compare the same game on both machines. DF will most likely do a proper forensic examination!

Do you believe that the PS5 GPU is more powerful than the XsX GPU?
 
I just don't understand what's so controversial here ? He is saying ps5 API is better at the moment and we knew this from Jason and matt . He also says xsx will have resolution advatage.

All he is saying is that ps5 can run at its theoretical maximum power more often than xsx can run at ots theoretical max which causes ps5 to punch above its weight and he explains why. Meaning xsx will have around lets say 10% resolution advatage rather than 18%. Is that such a big deal ?
 

hyperbertha

Member
Oh wow, seems like I need some clarity here. I'm not of the mind that PS5 will somehow run games better than the Series X. It's just that it looks like the gap in performance won't be as large as I would have expected at first.

I'm not making any purchasing decisions right this second, and I plan on getting both consoles in the end. I just need to pick what I'll start with on day one.
Don't let anyone tell you that the PS5's SSD won't make a difference either. Its a game changer. And I'm not talking about loading times or just first party benefits.
 
I just don't understand what's so controversial here ? He is saying ps5 API is better at the moment and we knew this from Jason and matt . He also says xsx will have resolution advatage.

All he is saying is that ps5 can run at its theoretical maximum power more often than xsx can run at ots theoretical max which causes ps5 to punch above its weight and he explains why. Meaning xsx will have around lets say 10% resolution advatage rather than 18%. Is that such a big deal ?
Sir, clearly you've forgotten that Tflops are, in context, everything.
 

sircaw

Banned
I'm over this shit, you guys are going to get laughed off this forum in the end. Don't say you were not warned heavily.

At the end of the day you only have yourself to blame for feeling bad. You came into threads always trying to shit all over Sony stuff, downplaying their system and basically calling Mark Cerny a liar.

I understand you want to lash out at Sony fans but the end of the day you should direct your criticism at Microsoft.
At the end of the day they had the chance to innovate but instead decided to go the extra Tflop slogan for their advertising department instead.

No one is disrupting Microsoft has more power, i have stated it, many have but your constant denial on what game developers are saying positive about the ps5 is tiresome.
 

Clear

CliffyB's Cock Holster
For me this isn’t an Xbox vs Playstation issue, its a “don’t tell me a weaker GPU is better than a stronger GPU” issue. The fanboying is rampant everywhere and turning into delusion

Lets face it, all you have to offer is more CU's is better than less CU's because that count is a primary multiplier in the holy Tf number.

An over-reductive, over-simplified, brain-dead cartoon version of the reality.

Because lets face it, the entirety of your wisdom and insight is to throw more CU's at the problem!
 
At the end of the day you only have yourself to blame for feeling bad. You came into threads always trying to shit all over Sony stuff, downplaying their system and basically calling Mark Cerny a liar.

I understand you want to lash out at Sony fans but the end of the day you should direct your criticism at Microsoft.
At the end of the day they had the chance to innovate but instead decided to go the extra Tflop slogan for their advertising department instead.

No one is disrupting Microsoft has more power, i have stated it, many have but your constant denial on what game developers are saying positive about the ps5 is tiresome.
No one is downplaying anything, that's the delusion taking hold again. What's happening is not us downplaying anything related to the system, but people such as yourself and others completely unrealistically giving the PlayStation 5 GPU some magical leg up it simply doesn't have.

We're not tearing the system down, we're tearing you down, you're the problem not the hardware.
 
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IntentionalPun

Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
I mean PS5 might be more powerful, and I'd be happy with that.. but this guy sounds a bit like a fanboy TBH.
 

DaMonsta

Member
I just don't understand what's so controversial here ? He is saying ps5 API is better at the moment and we knew this from Jason and matt . He also says xsx will have resolution advatage.

All he is saying is that ps5 can run at its theoretical maximum power more often than xsx can run at ots theoretical max which causes ps5 to punch above its weight and he explains why. Meaning xsx will have around lets say 10% resolution advatage rather than 18%. Is that such a big deal ?
How does this make any damn sense?

The one with variable clocks, runs at max more than the one with static clocks?

I mean I know this guy is a “dev” but BS, is BS
 
How does this make any damn sense?

The one with variable clocks, runs at max more than the one with static clocks?

I mean I know this guy is a “dev” but BS, is BS
Its not about clocks . There are many variables needed for a console to hit the max theoretical teraflops .clock is one of them . Access to data, cleaning the data , bandwidth , speed of access to different data etc all cause the gpu to either work close to max or slow down so everything can catch up.
 
No one is downplaying anything, that's the delusion taking hold again. What's happening is not us downplaying anything related to the system, but people such as yourself and others completely unrealistically giving the PlayStation 5 GPU some magical leg up it simply doesn't have.

We're not tearing the system down, we're tearing you down, you're the problem not the hardware.
If you didn't FUD over PS fairly frequently, I might be inclined to believe you.
 

DaMonsta

Member
Its not about clocks . There are many variables needed for a console to hit the max theoretical teraflops .clock is one of them . Access to data, cleaning the data , bandwidth , speed of access to different data etc all cause the gpu to either work close to max or slow down so everything can catch up.
Sure, but with all that said one of them is still “variable“ itself after all these variables. It literally can’t sustain its max in intense situations.
 
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