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AndyPants Gaming: The Pussification of Videogames

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Doom85

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And it wasn't as well received as the first.

Actually, it’s 8.6 on IMDb compared to the first film’s 8.4.

And why is it that every time I see someone complaining about “the culture war” - they’re always on a certain side of it?

They’re not. Both sides have reached the point of being infested with crybabies of all flavors, you can wake up and realize it now, or continue to delude yourself into thinking your side of drama-loving whiners is superior to the other side of drama-loving whiners.

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You quoted two posts that corroborate one another and think it’s a gotcha. I don’t mean to laugh but, lol. Lmao even.
Hmmm. I guessssss you bringing up “culture war morons” completely on your own

….and then saying “I don’t care about the culture war” are corroborating thoughts.

I guess. Lmao away to your heart’s content man. Why do I get the feeling you wouldn’t use the term “culture war morons” if the subject matter of the video swung the other direction?
 
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I have found that any game that doesn’t appeal exclusively to teenage boys (or those with the same mentality) is now woke. What the video didn’t say but I will, is that these people are just mad that everyone gets to participate in their hobby now. They liked it better when the whole industry was just for them and them alone.

This is total nonsense. Nobody cares if there are gay games, woke games, whatever games. There is more shovelware than people can list out there. Gaming is for everybody and everybody can play games. But not all games are for everybody, nor should they be.

I don’t like fighting games because I find memorizing the combos tedious. That doesn’t mean the best fighting games should become one button systems just to appeal to me.

And that’s what people care about and are not on board with: the turning of longstanding franchises into diluted trash just to appease someone’s agenda.

It’s like saying that Chess is too hard and not everyone likes it because of that, so let’s make it Checkers. Congratulations. Now you’ve made a crap game that nobody enjoys.
 
I think I heard around 20% of people are queer in one way or another. But yeah targeting games at minorities and drive away the rest of people, not sure what business school the people in charge attended (if any), but if they did not a good or decent one for sure.

We also shouldn’t forget that most queer people were not unhappy with the representation in games, at least I cannot remember any complaining…
 

12345666

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This is total nonsense. Nobody cares if there are gay games, woke games, whatever games. There is more shovelware than people can list out there. Gaming is for everybody and everybody can play games. But not all games are for everybody, nor should they be.

I don’t like fighting games because I find memorizing the combos tedious. That doesn’t mean the best fighting games should become one button systems just to appeal to me.

And that’s what people care about and are not on board with: the turning of longstanding franchises into diluted trash just to appease someone’s agenda.

It’s like saying that Chess is too hard and not everyone likes it because of that, so let’s make it Checkers. Congratulations. Now you’ve made a crap game that nobody enjoys.
What franchises specifically have been turned into watered down trash?
 
Number were provided, not sure what you mean?

Ah, George Soros came up and it immediately shut down your brain, got it. This is what I mean with thinking your 'pretty generous'. It's more in line with cry-bulling and hunkering down in your lane. Which it totally fine btw, Its pretty though to break out of a bubble and reset your epistemic foundation, but don't act like you being 'generous' when in fact you yourself are ironically not acknowledging you own biases.

"Liberalism is a disease whose first symptom is an inability to believe in conspiracies." Friedrich Wilhelm IV

The only one not acknowledging they/their biases is you.
 
I think I heard around 20% of people are queer in one way or another. But yeah targeting games at minorities and drive away the rest of people, not sure what business school the people in charge attended (if any), but if they did not a good or decent one for sure.

We also shouldn’t forget that most queer people were not unhappy with the representation in games, at least I cannot remember any complaining…

I’d imagine most gay people are just like anyone else, they want to live their life in peace and enjoy most same things as anyone else. The PS2 and 360 era were the pinnacle of the gaming community for me. COD4, Halo 3/Reach… like what’s wrong with those games being what they were? They didn’t pander to anyone, they were just amazing high quality games.
 

Bitstream

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And that’s what people care about and are not on board with: the turning of longstanding franchises into diluted trash just to appease someone’s agenda.

It’s like saying that Chess is too hard and not everyone likes it because of that, so let’s make it Checkers. Congratulations. Now you’ve made a crap game that nobody enjoys.
This is the crux of the argument that folks really don't seem to understand. Few people are upset that new demographics are being catered to, more so that in order to make these games appealing to attract a wider audience, they often times need to completely turn their back on many of what the original fans enjoyed in the first place, diluting the experience to try and bring in a new audience while alienating the existing one.
 
In the context of this thread, those games are now watered down trash because they abandoned their core audience and instead chased a woke agenda?

Yes. Gears was an amazing story of brothers in arms and sacrificing for each other. You had cool Black guys like Cole, Asian guys like Kim, White guys like Baird, all kinds of awesome characters.

The new one is about a female exploring her identity.
 
In the context of this thread, those games are now watered down trash because they abandoned their core audience and instead chased a woke agenda?

Yes. Look at the original design/development team of Halo and what they accomplished in 8 months under extreme duress compared to what Bonnie Ross accomplished with 343i with a longer timeline and almost unlimited budget. I am saying this as a guy who enjoyed Halo Infinite, but it was so bare-bones that it was embarrassing.

Battlefield V re-wrote history - a mom and daughter duo single handily took down the Nazis stationed in Norway to stop the development of heavy water.

In Uncharted 4 you cannot defeat ultra POC girl boss Nadine even though Drake took down a literal demi-god in Lazarevic in Uncharted 2.

I thought you folk were supposed to possess "media literacy"?
 
You probably think anyone that doesn’t agree with you automatically supports the other side.
Nope. I’m just a pretty damn good educated guesser. Got a lot of experience to support my theory in this particular case.

The only people who ever whine or complain about “the culture war” are exclusively those who are on one side of the culture.

There’s a reason it’s called a “war”.

The culture became a certain way over the last 10 years - one side started a “war” against it - guess which side isn’t too happy about the “war”?
 
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Generic

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Dude. Open your eyes to the world around you. This is happening in every facet of of society around the globe. Please don't feign ignorance. You know very well what's going on.
Ok, let's pick something like Concord and make the female characters more attractive. The gameplay would still be exactly the same thing.
 
Nope. I’m just a pretty damn good educated guesser. Got a lot of experience to support my theory in this particular case.

The only people who ever whine or complain about “the culture war” are exclusively those who are on one side of the culture.

There’s a reason it’s called a “war”.

The culture became a certain way over the last 10 years - one side started a “war” against it - guess which side isn’t too happy about the “war”?
So there a no people complaining to get all that shit out of their entertainment just so they can enjoy their hobby? It's hard to ignore when it's stuffed in your face all the time whether you like or not. And when you speak up you are part of a war? Grey exists, but gets ignored for the sake of argument way to often.
 
Ok, let's pick something like Concord and make the female characters more attractive. The gameplay would still be exactly the same thing.
Concord failed because they prioritized pushing an agenda over making a great game. The gameplay is bland, uninspired, and full of very poorly executed ideas stolen from other games. Instead of creating appealing characters, they went out of their way to make them ugly, weird, and unappealing. Gamers want cool or attractive characters. Period. They don't necessarily have to be attractive, but they certainly have have to look cool, and most of them don't. This isn’t an opinion, it’s a fact backed by decades of gaming history. If the gameplay had been rock solid, the characters had been cool, and the environments in general had been more creative, the game wouldn’t have flopped. They could have offered a mix of cool designs with optional skins to cater to everyone, but they didn’t. They made this game for a very specific crowd, which is a very small crowd that makes up a very small percentile of the gaming audience. You don't cater to the smallest common denominator if you want a product to succeed. Focusing on a small group is not catering to a "wider" audience. It is focusing on a much narrower audience. You can cater to everyone by having optional skins, among other things, for existing characters to make them look however you want. You can't alienate the 98% of your potential customer base. It's bad business. It's bad marketing. It's bad everything. And it's just plain stupid.
 

Generic

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Concord failed because they prioritized pushing an agenda over making a great game. The gameplay is bland, uninspired, and full of very poorly executed ideas stolen from other games. Instead of creating appealing characters, they went out of their way to make them ugly, weird, and unappealing. Gamers want cool or attractive characters. Period. They don't necessarily have to be attractive, but they certainly have have to look cool, and most of them don't. This isn’t an opinion, it’s a fact backed by decades of gaming history. If the gameplay had been rock solid, the characters had been cool, and the environments in general had been more creative, the game wouldn’t have flopped. They could have offered a mix of cool designs with optional skins to cater to everyone, but they didn’t. They made this game for a very specific crowd, which is a very small crowd that makes up a very small percentile of the gaming audience. You don't cater to the smallest common denominator if you want a product to succeed. Focusing on a small group is not catering to a "wider" audience. It is focusing on a much narrower audience. You can cater to everyone by having optional skins, among other things, for existing characters to make them look however you want. You can't alienate the 98% of your potential customer base. It's bad business. It's bad marketing. It's bad everything. And it's just plain stupid.
"Concord failed because they prioritized pushing an agenda over making a great game."

Or maybe its devs were just not good. There a lot of bad games with cool/attractive characters as well.
 
"Concord failed because they prioritized pushing an agenda over making a great game."

Or maybe its devs were just not good. There a lot of bad games with cool/attractive characters as well.
They worked on this game for 8 years. You can keep deflecting all you want, it doesn't change reality. Yes, there are plenty of bad games with cool/attractive characters. Games can still be bad. The gameplay still has to not suck. But none have sucked and failed as badly as this game. This may be the biggest failure in the history of big budget games.

Also, video games are just a casualty of this current nonsense going on. It's not a big deal in the grand scheme of things. The real problem is the effect this movement has on society and the world at large. For media, it's annoying. For how this is affecting current and future generations, it's dangerous.
 
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12345666

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Yes. Look at the original design/development team of Halo and what they accomplished in 8 months under extreme duress compared to what Bonnie Ross accomplished with 343i with a longer timeline and almost unlimited budget. I am saying this as a guy who enjoyed Halo Infinite, but it was so bare-bones that it was embarrassing.

Battlefield V re-wrote history - a mom and daughter duo single handily took down the Nazis stationed in Norway to stop the development of heavy water.

In Uncharted 4 you cannot defeat ultra POC girl boss Nadine even though Drake took down a literal demi-god in Lazarevic in Uncharted 2.

I thought you folk were supposed to possess "media literacy"?
In Battlefield 1 there was a mission where I flew a plane on top of a zeplin. This also never happened but I didn’t hear anyone crying about rewriting history then.

But the trend I notice here is that any time a woman is involved, suddenly it becomes a problem for a certain group of people.

I’m glad I don’t have a problem with all this stuff. It seems exhausting being perpetually triggered all the time.
 
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In Battlefield 1 there was a mission where I flew a plane on top of a zeplin. This also never happened but I didn’t hear anyone crying about rewriting history then.

But the trend I notice here is that any time a woman is involved, suddenly it becomes a problem for a certain group of people.

I’m glad I don’t have a problem with all this stuff. It seems exhausting being perpetually triggered all the time.

Lara Croft is a woman and a beloved video game character. She fits in her narrative and is a good and organic character.

I don’t want feminine themes in a bro shooter. They can have feminine shooters all day long I just won’t play them but I won’t knock anyone who does neither. Just please don’t convert my existing franchises into that.
 
In Battlefield 1 there was a mission where I flew a plane on top of a zeplin. This also never happened but I didn’t hear anyone crying about rewriting history then.

But the trend I notice here is that any time a woman is involved, suddenly it becomes a problem
I see this silly argument used all the time by the other side.

Keep pretending you don’t understand the difference between “suspension of disbelief” - which applies to the plane on top of the zeppelin

and blatant ideological pandering - like a disabled woman fighting on the front lines of WW2

Joel, a fully grown gruff-and-tough man killing hundreds of bad guys and zombies to escort his daughter figure across the country - suspension of disbelief

Ellie, a 110-pound teenage lesbian girl killing hundreds of bad guys and zombies to avenge the death of Joel - ridiculous and stupid

Both are impossible and could never happen in real life. The difference is, only one of those scenarios is actually believable within in the context of a “grounded” video game.
 
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I see this silly argument used all the time by the other side.

Keep pretending you don’t understand the difference between “suspension of disbelief” - which applies to the plane on top of the zeppelin

and blatant ideological pandering - like a disabled woman fighting on the front lines of WW2

Joel, a fully grown gruff-and-tough man killing hundreds of bad guys and zombies to escort his daughter figure across the country - suspension of disbelief

Ellie, a 110-pound teenage lesbian girl killing hundreds of bad guys and zombies to avenge the death of Joel - ridiculous and stupid

Both are impossible and could never happen in real life. The difference is, one of those scenarios is actually believable within in the context of a “grounded” video game.

Well said. It’s that other kind of thinking that leads to tampons ending up in male bathrooms.
 

12345666

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I see this silly argument used all the time by the other side.

Keep pretending you don’t understand the difference between “suspension of disbelief” - which applies to the plane on top of the zeppelin

and blatant ideological pandering - like a disabled woman fighting on the front lines of WW2

Joel, a fully grown gruff-and-tough man killing hundreds of bad guys and zombies to escort his daughter figure across the country - suspension of disbelief

Ellie, a 110-pound teenage lesbian girl killing hundreds of bad guys and zombies to avenge the death of Joel - ridiculous and stupid

Both are impossible and could never happen in real life. The difference is, only one of those scenarios is actually believable within in the context of a “grounded” video game.
When it’s something you agree with it’s “suspension of disbelief” and when you don’t like it it’s “ideological pandering”.

Lmao.

Man y’all have a good night alright.
 

TheKratos

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GDP of the US is actually smaller than in 1971 when priced in gold. Inflation distorts GDP to make you think it's going up when it is not. Also a much larger portion of GDP is government spending than ever which is at best a net neutral to the economy.
And that exact inflation applies to revenues of companies too, so using that as metric is ridiculous. That was exactly my point.
 
When it’s something you agree with it’s “suspension of disbelief” and when you don’t like it it’s “ideological pandering”.

Lmao.

Man y’all have a good night alright.

You’re missing the point. These themes are centered around one plausible scenario and extrapolated out. For example, Navy Seal returns home and wages a war against the mob to protect his family.

vs.

Woman destroys two men in hand to hand combat at the same time.

Neither are real, but only one is ridiculous.
 
When it’s something you agree with it’s “suspension of disbelief” and when you don’t like it it’s “ideological pandering”.

Lmao.

Man y’all have a good night alright.
Yep just completely ignore the nuanced point I made and make a reductive post that ignores everything I just described.

At what point do things become “stupid” to you in a videogame?

Would a disabled black trans amputee in a wheelchair fighting on the front lines in a WW2 game be “totally normal and not ridiculous at all” in your eyes?

Is there anything that you would ever consider to be “pandering”?

Or does everything simply fall under the umbrella of “its just a video game, who cares bro”
 

Toons

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Dude. Open your eyes to the world around you. This is happening in every facet of of society around the globe. Please don't feign ignorance. You know very well what's going on.

The world is becoming more diverse, as are the pool of people making entertainment (ya know bc they srent being pushed/kept out as much like they were for the majority of history by a select few). This has effected everyone making films, games books etc not just minority individuals.

Its only natural that the entertainment would reflect that shift. And while there's some growing pains, it's been more than worth it to see not every game lead and movie lead.

Change is an inevitable constant of the universe. Entertainment and video games are no exception. Accept it, adapt, or be left behind yelling at clouds. Its going to happen regardless. The new generation is already well past that 3% btw. Is what it is.
 
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The world is becoming more diverse, as are the pool of people making entertainment (ya know bc they srent being pushed/kept out as much like they were for the majority of history by a select few). This has effected everyone making films, games books etc not just minority individuals.

Its only natural that the entertainment would reflect that shift. And while there's some growing pains, it's been more than worth it to see not every game lead and movie lead.

Change is an inevitable constant of the universe. Entertainment and video games are no exception. Accept it, adapt, or be left behind yelling at clouds. Its going to happen regardless. The new generation is already well past that 3% btw. Is what it is.
Diversity isn’t the problem for the umpteenth time.
 
The new generation is already well past that 3% btw. Is what it is.
And why do you think that is?

Do you really believe that there’s suddenly more LGBTQIAZXD9HS’s being born in the last 20 years than there was 50 years ago? 100 years ago? 1000 years ago? 100,000 years ago?

Surely that suddenly-exploding percentage of sexually confused kids is totally natural and “just a strange coincidence” right? There’s no other underlying influence in today’s society that could be contributing to such a rapid change…right?

Crazy how it was such a low % for…….all of human existence. Until 5 minutes ago. Strange stuff.
 

Toons

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There’s natural diversity and there’s Marxist diversity.

Lmfao ok. In that case, can you please detail to me how Lifeweaver (since thats the example used in the guys thumbnail), an Asian male described as pansexual in out-of-game sources(you wouldn't even know the characters sexuality just from playing the game) is an example of Marxism diversity by existing in the game overwatch 2?
 

12345666

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Lmfao ok. In that case, can you please detail to me how Lifeweaver (since thats the example used in the guys thumbnail), an Asian male described as pansexual in out-of-game sources(you wouldn't even know the characters sexuality just from playing the game) is an example of Marxism diversity by existing in the game overwatch 2?
Natural diversity to them is minority characters who are stereotypes and caricatures they are comfortable with.
 
...you know what the first letter in the whole "DEI" buzzword is right? Kinda sounds like a lot of folks feel it is the problem, if not a large part of it.
Again, diversity itself isn't the issue. It's a fact of life. Don't be gaslit into thinking that the word 'diversity' in DEI makes it a good thing. DEI is rotten to the core. It's rooted in neo-Marxist identitarian ideology. It's a destructive force, not a noble cause. Equality is good. Equity is poison. Equity is a socialist fantasy that demands everyone ends up in the same place, no matter their effort or success. It's an attack on meritocracy and achievement, and it has no place in a society that values freedom and individual responsibility. You've been brainwashed. Open your eyes, please.


Natural diversity to them is minority characters who are stereotypes and caricatures they are comfortable with.
Nobody thinks this. That's racist and idiotic.
 

Toons

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And why do you think that is?

Do you really believe that there’s suddenly more LGBTQIAZXD9HS’s being born in the last 20 years than there was 50 years ago? 100 years ago? 1000 years ago? 100,000 years ago?

No, I think the amount is exactly the same as it always has been. We just are no longer finding it acceptable to ostracize, harass, discriminate against, beat, or kill those who choose love that lifestyle. As a result, a lot more people are willing to be open about it instead of forcing themselves to suppress it so that they are not ostracized, harassed; maimed, discriminated against, etc.

Surely that suddenly-exploding percentage of sexually confused kids is totally natural and “just a strange coincidence” right? There’s no other underlying influence in today’s society that could be contributing to such a rapid change…right?

Crazy how it was such a low % for…….all of human existence. Until 5 minutes ago. Strange stuff.

Well, again, it wasn't lmao. You just weren't gonna find too many people who were going to openly say "yeah I like other boys/girls" because, ya know, they'd get run out of town, kicked out of their homes, and sometimes worse.

But are you seriously suggesting entertainment media can make people's sexuality change? It might open them to the idea, sure. But if, when confronted with that idea, they find they are attracted that way, that means they were already leaning that way, not that entertainment made em lean that way.
 
No, I think the amount is exactly the same as it always has been. We just are no longer finding it acceptable to ostracize, harass, discriminate against, beat, or kill those who choose love that lifestyle. As a result, a lot more people are willing to be open about it instead of forcing themselves to suppress it so that they are not ostracized, harassed; maimed, discriminated against, etc.



Well, again, it wasn't lmao. You just weren't gonna find too many people who were going to openly say "yeah I like other boys/girls" because, ya know, they'd get run out of town, kicked out of their homes, and sometimes worse.

But are you seriously suggesting entertainment media can make people's sexuality change? It might open them to the idea, sure. But if, when confronted with that idea, they find they are attracted that way, that means they were already leaning that way, not that entertainment made em lean that way.
Are you seriously suggesting that ~30% of all humankind has been non-straight

….Since the beginning of humankind? In every culture, in every continent, in every period of history?

Ladies and gentlemen, The Woke Mind Virus: Exibit A
 
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Well, again, it wasn't lmao. You just weren't gonna find too many people who were going to openly say "yeah I like other boys/girls" because, ya know, they'd get run out of town, kicked out of their homes, and sometimes worse.
Dude, cut the BS. Yes ... in the past ... many people hid their sexual orientation due to fear of violence and rejection. However, what we're seeing now with kids is not merely an evolution of self-expression. It's not a natural outcome of greater social acceptance. It's the result of a dangerous, systematic push to indoctrinate and confuse impressionable minds.

The current surge in kids identifying as non-binary or exploring different sexual orientations isn't just about more freedom or acceptance. It’s a profoundly troubling byproduct of aggressive brainwashing by the education system, media, and activist groups. These institutions are bombarding kids with ideas about fluidity and identity from a young age, often with little regard for the long-term consequences.

It’s not a coincidence that we see such an astronomical rise in these identities now. It’s a direct consequence of the relentless, one-sided messaging that tells kids they must explore these complex concepts before they’re developmentally ready. This is not about celebrating diversity. It’s about shaping and molding young minds to fit a specific agenda.

So before you celebrate the supposed "progress" consider the real impact of this indoctrination. Kids deserve to grow up without being pushed into ideologies before they fully understand themselves. This isn't progress. It's manipulation, it's child abuse, and it's deeply harmful.


Spare me the manifesto. They called Elvis presley and rock and roll Marxist too once, you can find the recordings easily.

Let's keep the topic at hand here.
You sound deeply and disturbingly uneducated on this topic. You're not ready to discuss it until you do some actual research, starting with understanding Marxism and its current weaponized use in society. This isn't a conspiracy theory. It's happening at every level of government, education, media, etc..
 
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Toons

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Are you seriously suggesting that ~30% of all humankind has been non-straight

….Since the beginning of humankind? In every culture, in every continent, in every period of history?

Ladies and gentlemen, The Woke Mind Virus: Exibit A

I never gave our any 30% number and im not sure where you got it from.

What I implied was that more than 3% has been non straight for all of history, and yeah ill stand by that.
 
I never gave our any 30% number and im not sure where you got it from.

What I implied was that more than 3% has been non straight for all of history, and yeah ill stand by that.
The ~30% is an estimate of gen Z in 2024 who identify as non-straight.

If you truly believe that that figure has been the same since the beginning of humankind, but the truth has only come to light now because “people are more accepting”

…I don’t know what else to say man. I think I’ll leave it there.
 

Toons

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Dude, cut the BS. Yes ... in the past ... many people hid their sexual orientation due to fear of violence and rejection. However, what we're seeing now with kids is not merely an evolution of self-expression.

Yes it is. None of this s*** started with this new generation. Its been Ideated for centuries if not longer.

The current surge in kids identifying as non-binary or exploring different sexual orientations isn't just about more freedom

You dont decide that. I dont either.

This goes back to what I said. Change is inevitable. It is *going* to happen. The future humans will figure it out same as always. Fighting against change like this is futility, whining about on video game forums is even worse

But tell me how many non binary characters in modern gaming are influencing all the youth? Because i can name exactly one off the top of my head, and the character has existed in a playable state for less than a year.

It’s not a coincidence

No one said it was a coincidence, but that doesn't mean it's some targeted manipulation either. Humans doing the same thing humans always do, looking at old established traditions and saying "yall do we need this?" Do I agree with all of it? No. Can I stop it? No. Am I gonna waste time worrying about it? Absolutely not. I'll live snd let live snd the future generations will sort it out.

You sound deeply and disturbingly uneducated

Reading what you're typing here, I will take that as a compliment. I thing we can end this conversation now.
 
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