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Eh. I guess we watch different movies. I usually see the stepdad/boyfriend left to the side, becomes evil or die heroically while the father gets back with his wife, like nothing happened.
Ant-Man |Spoiler Thread| I Think Our First Move Should Be Calling The Avengers
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That's the thing about Rudd, I genuinely don't think he gives a shit about looking like a star at other people's expense. Hence, we get an Ant-Man film co-written by him where everyone gets a moment to shine.
Napoleonthechimp
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Oh shit!I'm sure it's been posted but this is amazing.
I didn't make the connection when I saw it.
They should change the titles around for Infinity War to Marvel's Infinity War: Avengers Disassembled and Marvel's Infinity War: Avengers Reassembled. Lol
I love how Scott is the only character in the entire universe who asks the logical questions, and Hank's all 'NO.'
SomedayTheFire
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I'm sure it's been posted but this is amazing.
Best part of the film tbh. Found it hard not to say it out loud.
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all my loli wolf companions are so moe
I still think Pena's character is annoying and only shines on those tips. Probably because his "dialogue that drifts into rambling" kinda ruins the pace.
higgsboson1997
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Wow, that was amazing.
Marvel's Phase 2 was definitely better than Phase 1.
My top 5 Marvel movies are Ant-Man, Winter Soldier, GotG, Age of Ultron and The Avengers, of which only The Avengers is from Phase 1 (and it is its last movie). Seeing how they are constantly improving, it will be interesting to see just how good Phase 3 is. Hopefully, Civil War provides a great start for it.
Marvel's Phase 2 was definitely better than Phase 1.
My top 5 Marvel movies are Ant-Man, Winter Soldier, GotG, Age of Ultron and The Avengers, of which only The Avengers is from Phase 1 (and it is its last movie). Seeing how they are constantly improving, it will be interesting to see just how good Phase 3 is. Hopefully, Civil War provides a great start for it.
I'm sure it's been posted but this is amazing.
Not even joking, I missed this and now my entire opinion of the film just improved. That's incredible. Lol.
I'm sure it's been posted but this is amazing.
OMG, totally missed this, obviously knew it was similar but haven't seen zoolander in a while so i didn't realize it was so close
Eh, it's not exact. That pic is 'shopped.
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Still, it's a scale model center used by Ant-Man in the third act... and the soundtrack even lists it as "A Center for Ants".
It was totally intentional.
demosthenes
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Eh, it's not exact. That pic is 'shopped.
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Still, it's a scale model center used by Ant-Man in the third act... and the soundtrack even lists it as "A Center for Ants".
It was totally intentional.
When I saw it in the movie I thought it was an intentional call back.
Lone_Prodigy
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I'd swap out AoU for Iron Man 1 but my list is the same.
Pai Pai Master
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Reed goes into detail in that Empire podcast someone linked in what was not present in the Wright/Cornish script. I was actually surprised that the Peña tips gags weren't a Wright creation, they felt like his work with the quick cuts and visual humor.
Basically I don't think the film would have been nearly as interesting without the Quantum Realm, that was a huge addition for me and gives the Ant-Man sector of the MCU something really crazy and unique. And as Reed puts it, seeing this memory of Janet from Hank's perspective, actually getting to see her fly around, was absolutely exhilarating for me as a fan of the character. Giving Janet a real presence in the story did so much for Hank & Hope's relationship, and made that final scene with them really pay off.
I actually got misty eyed in that scene not because of Hank's sorrowful retelling of the events, but just seeing the classic Ant-Man & Wasp characters on the big screen like that, it was just as big of a moment for me as the first time I saw Spider-Man in theatrical live action or the first time you see The Avengers in the same shot together.
It's funny how in the credits it says "Ant-man Will Return". I remember in the earlier movies when I saw that I'd get hyped. This time I just sighed. Fucken of course he's coming back.
Also why even bother waiting for the final after-credit scene when the film itself is going to have the cameo and obligatory tie-in twice *within* the film.
Also why even bother waiting for the final after-credit scene when the film itself is going to have the cameo and obligatory tie-in twice *within* the film.
Ignatz Mouse
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Exactly.
The extremely telegraphed Janet-will-be-back coupled with that were really tiresome. I wanted this film to be less safe and predictable.
I know it gets compared to GotG in terms of lightheartedness, but they are miles apart in terms of honest surprises and risk-taking. GotG ends with a *dance off*! Ant-Man ends with the hero fighting the carbon-copy villain (see also Iron Monger, Abomination) and then executing the telegraphed "I'll have to shrink to Quantum size" maneuver.
I really loved how there was always an emotional center to the movie. I wanted Scott Lang to succeed because of his daughter. I wanted to see Hank and Hope defeat their inner demons. Even Cross who feels completely unhinged after the fact was mostly driven by acceptance and desolation. I kind of found it interesting that Cross was treated as a sort of mirror to Hank and his obsession - ingenious but selfish. He's not necessarily the best villain of the MCU (which is mostly a low bar already) and he's not the most compelling in terms of theme (Ultron is the one that still made me think the most), but he still surprised me, and I think the way this character was treated was the reason why Scott Lang was the protagonist. He made for a much more interesting story.
At the end of the day it was hard not to look back at the movie and see how much heart it had at it's center. It executes it's themes mostly well and always feels resonant in it's motivations. Not a lot of MCU movies have really done that in my opinion.
At the end of the day it was hard not to look back at the movie and see how much heart it had at it's center. It executes it's themes mostly well and always feels resonant in it's motivations. Not a lot of MCU movies have really done that in my opinion.
Pai Pai Master
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The bolded was pretty surprising but worked so well - Cross is a lame character in the comics but tying him to the concept of Yellowjacket was such a perfect move.
As anyone familiar with Ant-Man in the comics knows, Yellowjacket is Hank Pym's more unhinged personality where all his shame and anger come to the surface. Tying that idea of having this mirror image of Hank Pym actually manifest in the villain of the movie in such a believable way worked so goddamn well for me. Corey Stoll did a fantastic job with the screen time he was given - I totally bought him as this "fallen son" to Hank, someone who was once very promising and possibly very loved by his mentor, who ended up showing a darker side that could not be trusted with Hank's knowledge.
When Hank tells him, "I saw too much of me in you," that told me that the film's various writers totally understand the character of Hank Pym - I thought making him older and putting him in a supporting role, surely he'd get narratively short-changed, but while I loved the sweetness of Scott's drive to be there for his daughter, the real emotional heart of the movie is Hank and Hope. And Douglas really gave a great performance as Pym and really anchored the movie.
Eh, it's not exact. That pic is 'shopped.
Original:
Still, it's a scale model center used by Ant-Man in the third act... and the soundtrack even lists it as "A Center for Ants".
It was totally intentional.
It was such a good use of the model in the scene too. The sound effects make it sound like bombs and mortars exploding all around. Scott slides across the hood of the model car. Then he scales the building and leaps off the roof.
The film just shines so brightly in moments like that, I really hope it gets a sequel. I mean, when else are we going to get to have a movie like this again?
Pai Pai Master
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I think it'll happen, but if not - I hope Ant-Man's action scenes in the other MCU films will be handled this well.
Didn't see this posted yet. There was an alternate opening the was in Wright's script that didn't make the film
http://screenrant.com/ant-man-deleted-opening-scene/
It was all actually still shot though, it just got cut from the film.
This was probably already known since some scenes from that might have made trailers or promo materials. Could be such a great One-shot. Hopefully we can see it sooner rather than later.
http://screenrant.com/ant-man-deleted-opening-scene/
It was all actually still shot though, it just got cut from the film.
This was probably already known since some scenes from that might have made trailers or promo materials. Could be such a great One-shot. Hopefully we can see it sooner rather than later.
So that's where those scenes went. You can see it during the old footage montage Cross showed at the beginning.
Yeah we saw it in the trailer. A one-shot would be amazing
Pai Pai Master
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I'd like to see it but I'm glad they didn't open the film with it. The final opening worked very well to establish Pym and his distrust of others with the Pym Particle which is the primary conflict between him and the villain.
Father_Brain
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Speaking of the opening and feeling disconnected, does anyone else feel like there was some major missing connective tissue between the 1989 prologue and the rest of the film? Specifically, the ominous last line, "we'll have to make him a security risk" has nothing at all to do with where we find Hank in the present day, unless I'm dumb and missed something.
Sheld was shut down during Captain America: TWS, and then reopened seconds later by an idiot who tried to get the drop on a Norse God who can teleport. It's fair to say that their prime for dealing with security risks has long since passed.
George Oscar Bluth II
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I thought that the HYDRA dude would call security leading to Hank busting out Ant-Man style. But nah.
TheChewyWaffles
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Really enjoyed this movie. Far exceeded my minimal expectations. Tone felt great considering they could have gone in a variety of directions with it.
I think there's a lot of tricky legalities about releasing footage shot for one film as another film (it was cited as one reason why Marvel would not be releasing Infinity War in two parts without renegotiating certain actors' contracts), but that would be awesome.
this movie was terrible at Ominous Lines Immediately Preceding Cuts. the very last, Michael Pena saying "yes" was limp, too. like fucken obviously Falcon is trying to find Ant-man. they build into it like we're supposed to be holding our breath but c'mon.
TrAcEr_x90
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I really wish I could watch the subatomic scene in HD again. That was amazing.
...well, that was the point.
Finally saw the film on monday and totally loved it. I really do not understand how anyone can hate it other than wanting to hate on a marvel movie. Its sad really that being a marvel movie garner such hate. Anyways, i thought the film was very entertaining, funny, smart and the action scenes delivered. I didnt expect a good film from a movie named Ant-man but thankfully i felt like i didnt waste money on a movie ticket like i did with man of steel.
9/10 for me
9/10 for me
Pai Pai Master
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From slattery's delivery it was more like he was telling Carson that it would be fucking stupid to do anything to further provoke Pym. "We'd have to make him a security risk" and the second half of that sentence woulda gone "and that would end horribly for us."
Stark wasn't that kinda guy and he just saw how Pym would react to SHIELD stealing his tech. It was more that he was pointing out how stupid it would be to make an enemy out of Hank.
Everything about it was perfect. The stakes, the visuals and man, the audio. I might go back to the IMAX theater for my 2nd viewing just for that one scene.
Imagine how friggin scary Ant-Man would be against mid 80s tech. What could you do?
Another detail I kind of realized I really like is that this is one of the few superhero movies that plays to the ingenuity of the character. Spider-Man is the closest character in terms of "every-man with great traits" I can compare Scott Lang to, yet in Spider-Man's movies his talents are only ever informed. Even in the TASM movies which wanted to play it up by having him develop web shooters he has to be bailed out science-wise in several pivotal moments when it's supposed to be his field. But Scott is mostly a regular guy who was sought out because of his proficiency, and was only noticed because he caught headlines. There's no real convenient coincidence to his ark that ties him together to the movie's overarching story (which I felt was hilariously well played for laughs in the scene where Hank and Hope make amends), and because he's the "right guy", his ability to turn microscopic was only really a supplement to his natural talent of performing heists. It felt great to see him actually "plan" for the job and need other people to successfully pull it off.
The moment when he also says to Hope that Hank only chose him because he's expendable was also really powerful. I like how Rudd delivered that entire exchange in a way that makes him seem cynical yet okay with the fact, since at heart he'd already realized "why" the moment he first met Hank. It makes Scott feel like so much more of a confident character, and it makes it easier to understand why his daughter admires him so much.
Easily one of the more visually awesome elements composed in any of the Marvel movies. The 3D was actually kind of neat in that scene but overall I still can't wait for the Blu-Ray so I can see it unobscured.
The moment when he also says to Hope that Hank only chose him because he's expendable was also really powerful. I like how Rudd delivered that entire exchange in a way that makes him seem cynical yet okay with the fact, since at heart he'd already realized "why" the moment he first met Hank. It makes Scott feel like so much more of a confident character, and it makes it easier to understand why his daughter admires him so much.
Easily one of the more visually awesome elements composed in any of the Marvel movies. The 3D was actually kind of neat in that scene but overall I still can't wait for the Blu-Ray so I can see it unobscured.
Yeah and it's limp. It doesn't mean anything at all! Is Falcon looking for him to put a bop on him? To recruit him? To size him up? I dunno it frames it like this Ant-man / Falcon relationship is something I should care about but they didn't give me any reason to care about it. Last we saw him, Falcon tried to kill Ant-man with bullets... It's just a weird note to end the movie on, gesturing toward nothing.
The Falcon fight ended with Falcon admiring the guys skill for taking him down. Not too mention the post-credits scene is why Falcon is looking for him supposedly.
The joke was not limp for the audience I saw it with.
Just saw it at the premiere here in Holland. Damn such a fun film absolutely loved it. Can't wait to see it again.
Did notice something, probably has been mentioned already, but when watching the credits I noticed an assistant to mr. Grillo was credited, did I miss Crossbones somewhere?
Did notice something, probably has been mentioned already, but when watching the credits I noticed an assistant to mr. Grillo was credited, did I miss Crossbones somewhere?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0478970/fullcredits/
Looks like Michael Grillo is an Executive Producer.
Ooh haha. Well at least I didn't miss something. Thanks for clearing that up!
That comment was after my second watch. I'm not feeling like paying to see a movie I thought was just okay three times in the theaters.
Orbis Tabula
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Speaking of One-Shots, I feel like they haven't had one in a while. Is that just my imagination? It feels like Phase 1 had a ton, but Phase 2 has only had Hail To The King.
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