Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice - Comic-Con Trailer

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pixel monkey said:
Better comics, better animated series, better films. Batman is, and will always be... better than Superman.
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Game4life said:
What? Scott Snyder's recent run alone is better than any Superman comic released in a long time.This statement is just not true. Batman has superior content.
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Since New 52:

Action Comics > Detective Comics
Superman < Batman
Superman Beyond > Batman Beyond
Adventures of Superman >> Batman:Gotham Knights
Superman/Wonder Woman < Batman and Robin
 
Rooster12 said:
Since New 52:

Action Comics > Detective Comics
Superman < Batman
Superman Beyond > Batman Beyond
Adventures of Superman >> Batman:Gotham Knights
Superman/Wonder Woman < Batman and Robin
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But the new team-up book between the two gave Batman top billing, so it's still a tie. ;-)
 
Damn, every BVS thread is going to be full of either Marvel vs DC fighting or Batman vs Superman fighting huh? Can't DC fans at least get along?
 
Does anyone else think that the Rock will have a cameo in this? I feel that it made no sense to announce that he will play Black Adam if his first apperance is in JL or Shazam. JL comes out in 2017 and Shazam comes out in 2019 I believe. That is 3 and 5 years respectivley after the casting announcment. I could be completely wrong but I think there is a strong possibility that it happens.
 
Beta Stage said:
Does anyone else think that the Rock will have a cameo in this? I feel that it made no sense to announce that he will play Black Adam if his first apperance is in JL or Shazam. JL comes out in 2017 and Shazam comes out in 2019 I believe. That is 3 and 5 years respectivley after the casting announcment. I could be completely wrong but I think there is a strong possibility that it happens.
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The desert country shown in trailers is rumored to be Kahndaq. I think we'll hear or see some easter egg with Black Adam and personally I think he'll be in JL. Rock's huge grin every time he talks about the character and he seems to know a lot about the movie version of his character for a movie that comes out like 2018 at the earliest. I think Black Adam showing up earlier may have been a big factor in his choice between playing Shazam or Black Adam.
 
Schweinehund said:
The desert country shown in trailers is rumored to be Kahndaq. I think we'll hear or see some easter egg with Black Adam and personally I think he'll be in JL. Rock's huge grin every time he talks about the character and he seems to know a lot about the movie version of his character for a movie that comes out like 2018 at the earliest. I think Black Adam showing up earlier may have been a big factor in his choice between playing Shazam or Black Adam.
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I completely forgot about the Kahndaq rumor!
 
Schweinehund said:
And Goku doesn't fight people that aren't a challenge. I'm just presenting one plausible situation. If a heart virus could disable goku, some versions of Batman would use that advantage (Waid's Tower of Babel).
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Doesn't change that Batman wouldn't kill Goku, and disabling the Justice League is not the same as murdering Goku with a heart attack. Also that is some ace detective work, figuring out that people are weak to heart attacks. Batman must have the Death Note. Also Goku fights and murders people/things that are not a challenge to him all the time.
 
LegendofDragoonLives said:
You couldn't have written a more biased viewpoint here if you tried, even if some of the things you've stated are on point. Superman is more interesting because people become the stories about themselves?... This sounds like a love letter from a crazed fan than a proper comparison.

I can't tell if it's a joke post and you're being funny or you're actually serious. -_-
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how old are you? serious question. you couldn't have said something more immature and obnoxiously myopic. and it's obvious that you agree on all points about Batman (as a long time bat-fan he is absolutely on point by the way) but yet his analysis on Superman is biased? good lord bat fans can be annoying.

I guess we can also add a new category to the conversation cycle. this one should be called "my Batman can beat up your Superman or vice versa"
 
scoobs said:
Just to chime in on this whole popularity contest w/ Bats V Superman... the only reason Batman is so popular is he has the BEST super villains bar-none, whereas Superman's are just not that interesting. Superman as a character is every bit as interesting as Batman, he just doesn't have The Joker/Riddler/Scarecrow/Bane/Catwoman/Penguin/etc.. running around causing havoc.

Having said that... team Batman all the way bros
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can you tell me off the top of your head some memorable stories with Scarecrow/Penguin and Catwoman? no?

Betty said:
Nah.

Problem with Superman is he's so overpowered it limits the amount of exciting situations you can put him in where he can't just swoop in and deal with it no problem.

Imagine the chase scene in Dark Knight but with Superman there instead of Batman, the whole thing would last 5 seconds and there'd be no sense of tension.
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Superman wouldn't be stupid to be driving a tank on city streets causing LOTS of property damage. not for some dude in make up clown anyway.

pappe said:
Batman has been popular because the presence of Batman in mainstream media has been much much more prominent as compared to Superman. Right from the 50's batman show which broadcasted all the way here in india and i presume all over the world. Superman had only 1 shitty show smallville which did not interest casual fans.

When it comes to movies again Batman has had shit ton of movies featuring top high profile actors (clooney, Kilmer, Jack nicholson,Tommy lee jones, jim Carrey) up til 2000's and then the Nolan trilogy again which just pushed the envelop for super Hero movie to another level.

Superman just hasnt had the same level of exposure in mainstream media apart from 3 or 4 movie ages ago and then the shitty Returns movie. Man of Steel has just revitalised peoples interest in Superman after a long time and if they hit the right notes with upcoming movies only then will we truly see Superman rivaling Batmans popularity.
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Batman didn't have a 50s TV show. Superman however, since before Batman got that campy 60s show had wildly popular comics, a still to this day very popular series of animated shorts, a very popular radio show, a TV show, a Broadway play and on and on. and in the 70s headlined the Super friends show more than batman did. and had his 80s animated show. and 90s show. and Lois and Clark, and Smallville and a Superboy show.
as for famous actors being in Batman movies, their performances were awful so that isn't a plus. do more research next time.

Jigorath said:
lol

Same exact face every time.
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was he supposed to eb crying when he was being sucked up by the Phantom zone? or when Zod was threatening his mother. what a silly argument parroted yet again.

Apt101 said:
Batman the character, in any medium, has also had very talented creators falling over themselves to work with it - which led to a lot of quality work. Many writers never "got" Superman, or just found him boring but still worked with him for a paycheck (years of reading creator posts on their message boards and blogs led me to this conclusion).

So someone wants to get into Batman? Point them to ground breaking comic runs, graphic novels, or animated or live action feature films. Some by actual literary giants or celebrated directors. Superman? Slim pickings, and much of it is decades old and doesn't hold up as well.
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name them. Geoff Johns never said that. Alan Moore never said that, Mark Waid never said that, Grant Morrison never said that, who else should I name? you know which writers say that? bad writers with no imagination so they fall on the easy to write thing , dark and broody. dark and brooding is easy. just have a rainy setting, some childhood tragedy, anger and voila!
 
Effect said:
Someone finished editing the Batman v Superman footage of Bruce Wayne during the Zod fight with the footage from Man of Steel where Zod's heat vision goes out of control. In the correct order of events with an interesting change at the end.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP9dMtq3w_Q
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Heh, that's a really good cut. Be interesting if Superman is actually looking down at Bruce. I still can't get Lex Luthor's "the red capes are coming" out of my head. That and Joker's laugh are quite chilling and capture their respective villain's ideologies quite well.
 
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku! said:
If quality of villains is the deciding factor for popularity, then why was Superman more popular for the first 50 years? Did Superman's villains get worse starting in 1989?
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I think the popularity of each has flip-flopped as modern audiences have changed. We live in a post 911 society and I think people nowadays are more cynical in general. A 'flawed' darker human character like Batman just seems to have more appeal than a demigod in colorful attire. I note with the new 52 cartoon series that they are trying to give Superman a bit of 'tude, Im guessing so he doesnt come off too much like the perfect do-gooder, which was perfectly captured by Chris Reeve's version of the character. I dont think Superman the Movie could be made today as it was.
 
evil solrac v3.0 said:
how old are you? serious question. you couldn't have said something more immature and obnoxiously myopic. and it's obvious that you agree on all points about Batman (as a long time bat-fan he is absolutely on point by the way) but yet his analysis on Superman is biased? good lord bat fans can be annoying.

I guess we can also add a new category to the conversation cycle. this one should be called "my Batman can beat up your Superman or vice versa"
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I'm talking about presenting only certain points which gives off a certain narrative. But as long as you're a long time Batman fan, it's good to know you have a magical shield that makes your point have weight.
 
dragonyeuw said:
I think the popularity of each has flip-flopped as modern audiences have changed. We live in a post 911 society and I think people nowadays are more cynical in general. A 'flawed' darker human character like Batman just seems to have more appeal than a demigod in colorful attire. I note with the new 52 cartoon series that they are trying to give Superman a bit of 'tude, Im guessing so he doesnt come off too much like the perfect do-gooder, which was perfectly captured by Chris Reeve's version of the character. I dont think Superman the Movie could be made today as it was.
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I think you're right but new 52 supes isn't so different other than Morrison's action comics run, which was chronicling his early days.

Really just a kick ass Batman movie and animated series is all it took.
 
Schweinehund said:
I think you're right but new 52 supes isn't so different other than Morrison's action comics run, which was chronicling his early days.

Really just a kick ass Batman movie and animated series is all it took.
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Remember when they first revealed that redesign and people immediately went "OMG that's so dumb shit's gonna be stupid dark and gritty not my Supes DC is dead to me forever"?

Good times.
 
Never changing who Superman is, despite how more popular darker, edgier characters get, is part of what makes him special.

I actually thought The Winter Soldier film got across what made Cap so special really well, and it's not his power. It's the same with Superman.

Love that comic panel.
 
evil solrac v3.0 said:
can you tell me off the top of your head some memorable stories with Scarecrow/Penguin and Catwoman? no?
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Ironically, two of the best Scarecrow stories was when was facing Catwoman and Nightwing:

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This particular Nightwing story is crazy. It probably has the most chilling nightmare Scarcrow has ever given anyone.

As far as Batman-Scarescrow stories, the one I really enjoyed is Absolute Terror. But some of the others I've read with these 2 are just....quite tame and very underwhelming.
 
Poodlestrike said:
Remember when they first revealed that redesign and people immediately went "OMG that's so dumb shit's gonna be stupid dark and gritty not my Supes DC is dead to me forever"?

Good times.
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Superman's current look is pretty awful. As are Wonder Woman's and Batman's.

But it's comics. It'll last 18 months at most and more likely 6. So I don't get too ruffled over these things.
 
Ophelion said:
Batman is more popular because he appeals more to baser human nature. He's rich, good looking, he's a genius (even if the movies have never portrayed that in anything approaching an effective form), he drives an incredible car, women want him, men want to be him, he's motivated by frustration, anger and a desire for revenge. He beats up people he has no business even looking funny at and no one can tell him what to do. He wears black and, at least recently, is played 100% as a straight tough guy with no room for feels. He's a CEO and gets his powers from buying things. He's the modern epitome of "manliness" in corporate-owned consumerist America.

Superman, on the other hand, has for years been meant to appeal to higher ideals in people. He's strong, sure, but that strength has been dedicated to protecting the weak. He's kind, optimistic, humanist, forward-thinking, community-minded. He was the original Social Justice Warrior in a much more literal way. He gets his powers, in a metaphorical sense from embracing the dream of his birth parents that he could have a full, happy life away from the doomed Old World and all of the intensely calcified, negative, apathetic thinking it represents. Superman is directly powered by hope, represented in this case by a young sun with millions of years yet to give. He's the good stuff in people many of us just don't find the time or do not bother to be and he's unironically American. He's a borderline socialist symbol of the power of good-natured common men coming together to make something great, not with money and brains, but with care, their own two hands and their whole heart.

You have to be an idealist to buy into one of those, for the other you can be anybody. And that's why Batman will always be more popular.

But, as an idealist, I will always see Superman as the superior hero. He's not only a better, stronger person, but a better, stronger story. People become the stories they tell about themselves. We can remain past-haunted and bitter, clutching our wealth as we fight a futile and doomed battle with our inner demons and the world. As someone living in 21st century America, that certainly sounds like what we've been doing so far. We can keep doing that, no one is stopping us.

Or we can go join Superman in the sunlight.

You don't have to decide now. He'll wait. Forever and a day if he has to. He can do that. He's Superman. We're the ones that won't last forever.
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Wonderful, co-signed.

On an archetypal level, anyway. On a narrative level, no character in comics seems to be more conducive to great stories than Bats. He represents the transformation of the very real pain that we, as frail and flawed human beings, struggle with every day. And there's an inherent dramatic tension in how seemingly easily he could be unmasked and killed.

Gotham is the darkness of our own unconscious, and he is the horned god, Hades, he who navigates and governs it. He is chthonic ordering principle that upholds a notion of ontic good; that even darkness, chaos may be set to right. Chaos, by its very nature, can never be order in and of itself, that is why his struggle appears futile. But his purpose is to mediate it, not win out against it. There is a nobility in taking on that suffering, and his inability to transcend it in the way Superman does is what makes him resonate; we can't do it either, and we need to know how to keep up the fight.
 
Gonzalez said:
Probably, but I'm hoping we get a Leigon of Doom like team with Joker as the wild card for the first JL.
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I'd love a Forever Evil/New Avengers hybrid where DC's top villains go around saving the world covertly by killing the fuck out of alternate universe versions of popular heroes.
 
So... I don't know what hits Wonder Woman but it is definitely not some sort of heat vision as the glowing shield implied. I wonder if that's an effect of being hit like the sound Cap's shield makes when it absorbs force.

Anyway, what hits her looks like a flurry of rocks or something. And it looks like that before it hits the shield so it wasn't like a big solid object.
 
The Icon said:
So... I don't know what hits Wonder Woman but it is definitely not some sort of heat vision as the glowing shield implied. I wonder if that's an effect of being hit like the sound Cap's shield makes when it absorbs force.

Anyway, what hits her looks like a flurry of rocks or something. And it looks like that before it hits the shield so it wasn't like a big solid object.
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I thought it was some unknown blue beam that she's reflecting off her bracelets causing that explosive force field effect.
 
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