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[bananafactory]

I did, and it's good. Not perfect, not amazing, but it is good.

But I guess it's easier to just assume something is terrible instead of judging it yourself right?

Well I mean, over a third of the reviews gave it a positive rating. So there's certainly people that found things to like in it.

But when we're discussing reviews in a review thread and most of those reviews are saying the same things about the film, it's much easier to lean that way than trust the word of the outliers who said it's great and everyone else just didn't 'get it'.

Most of us can't see it yet because it's not out so until then this is all we have.

 

[Frozenprince]

It's a conspiraceh

The real answer is, Thor is not Batman or Superman, and especially not Batman AND Superman together in a movie for the very first time.

Also, again, people are consistently complaining that BvS is boring.

At least in Dark World there was a decent set piece in London and punchy dialogue.

 

[Dash_Riprock]

Eisenberg as Lex Luthor or John Wayne as Genghis Khan.

Which was worse?

 

[Cipherr]

Yea right. It will be confirmation bias out the wazoo. You expect people on NeoGAF to admit they were wrong?

After having to eat the crow on Guardians of the Galaxy I can muster the ability to scoff down ANY meal sir.

I dug my heels in on that "stupid movie with talking trees and shit" so badly that I felt a twinge of physical pain when it starting doing well; and even worse when I swallowed it and bought a ticket and loved it.

 

[Thicc Enigma]

Waste your own money.

Precisely.

 

[ScreenSplitter]

These reviews are quite abstract in their criticism. It seems that the film lacks any real identity as it tries to present a philosophical narrative whilst balancing CGI fight sequences. Whilst I didn't expect this to redefine the genre, it makes me more curious about the film to try to understand exactly how it fell flat. If it did at all.

Perhaps pacing? Acting? Script?

If you take these reviews at first glance, they seem to imply this film is one step away from inducing a family death.

They sound insulted at the film's portrayal of itself as a thinking man's superhero movie whilst not doing enough to justify it. That doesn't mean it's not a good film.

This guy tried to pay people to see Fant4stic. Just pointing that out.

A huge shame for DC fans, but wow, leave the critics alone people. It's not their fault that the foolish man built his house on the sand.

 

[Davilmar]

This thread has been nothing short of wonderful for all the insights and laughs. I have barely even kept this movie on my radar, but the results from the critics is just numbing. I seriously couldn't have expected this movie to bomb so hard. Holy shit.

 

[Alandrus Sun]

If I ever could influence a writer on a Superman movie I'd force them to watch every episode of Superman: The Animated Series and then tell them to write something like that.

 

[Forkball]

This quote got me.

Affleck's bottom lip gives a solid performance, dominant but not overtly showy, channelling the spirit of lone warrior jawbones from John Ford films

I didn't like Man of Steel, mostly because it was BORING, but at least this film doesn't look boring. If I go in just wanting a good Batman performance outta Affleck and some DKR stuff I think I'll be alright.

The box office is going to be interesting as well. No doubt it will have a massive opening weekend, but we can only guess after that.

 

[kurahador]

Eisenberg as Lex Luthor or John Wayne as Genghis Khan.

Which was worse?

Emma Stone as asian.

 

[Frozenprince]

Well I mean, over a third of the reviews gave it a positive rating. So there's certainly people that found things to like in it.

But when we're discussing reviews in a review thread and most of those reviews are saying the same things about the film, it's much easier to lean that way than trust the word of the outliers who said it's great and everyone else just didn't 'get it'.

Most of us can't see it yet because it's not out so until then this is all we have.

The hate critics get when their opinion no longer aligns with ones own really irks me.

My favorite critic is Korey Coleman and his opinion on shit is usually the opposite of mine on damn near everything. But he ALWAYS gives solid, easy to understand reasoning from his 2 1/2 decades in the film industry as to why he feels the way he does.

Plus he's funny.

 

[not psycho]

How many people knew Snyder should be kicked out but were too scared to speak up.

 

[Shaanyboi]

Eisenberg as Lex Luthor or John Wayne as Genghis Khan.

Which was worse?

Gerard Butler as an Egyptian
Christian Bale as an Egyptian

 

[hamchan]

I think Affleck needs to direct his own superhero film for it to turn out good.

 

[bananafactory]

The hate critics get when their opinion no longer aligns with ones own really irks me.

My favorite critic is Korey Coleman and his opinion on shit is usually the opposite of mine on damn near everything. But he ALWAYS gives solid, easy to understand reasoning from his 2 1/2 decades in the film industry as to why he feels the way he does.

Plus he's funny.

I agree. That's why I find it generally important to find critics that enjoy the same things in movies that I do, and have similar tastes, and go to them as opposed to trying to sort out any coherent opinion from 200+.

 

[SchrodingerC]

Oof.

I was predicting the movie to be 60%-70%, and not the beating it took with the first round of reviews.

Still have a great feeling about Suicide Squad though.
Now that movie should be fun to watch.

 

[B33]

I am still baffled why, despite all the comics writers that get to pen the scripts or punch-ups for these films, nobody has gotten Grant Morrison to do one.

Agreed.

If you want a solid Superman story, you tap Grant Morrison, not David Goyer. Morrison could have at the very least written a treatment for another writer to follow.

Goyer likely got Man of Steel because of his involvement with Christopher Nolan's Batman trilogy.

 

[dancingphlower]

I really do think a lot of the negative buzz from its detractors stems from the utter brilliance that was TDK. Basically everything about that movie was fantastic creating not just an amazing Batman movie but one of the best movies of the last decade. As a result, people expected lightning to strike twice with TDKR and were thus disappointed when they merely got a good movie instead of some transcendent masterpiece, a Magnum Opus to cap off the Nolan Trilogy.

Agreed, I can definitely understand feeling disappointment. But I've seen some people say that Rises is a straight up bad movie. That's crazy talk.

 

[GhaleonEB]

My view on all things. Go and see for yourself, form your own opinion.

Sound advice, but for the limitations of time and money, which preclude seeing every film. Personally, the films that review badly but that I enjoy tend to be a pretty small number, but they're out there. This kind of a thrashing does not give one hope, though.

 

[breakfuss]

Michael Bay, Jr. strikes again. This is so heartbreaking.

 

[BreezyLimbo]

Its actually depressing man

What are some recommended Batman/Superman stories? Just so I can think about what could have been

Red Son

I would love to see a one-shot movie of that. It would be so fucking awesome. Just keep it away from Snyder.

 

[Fat4all]

I didn't like Man of Steel, mostly because it was BORING, but at least this film doesn't look boring. If I go in just wanting a good Batman performance outta Affleck and some DKR stuff I think I'll be alright.

One of the most common complaints I'm seeing in reviews is that it's boring.

 

[ElBoxyBrown]

Double Toasted is gonna be so good this weekend. Korey or Martin might go on a rant.

 

[duckroll]

Christian Bale as an Egyptian

He wasn't an Egyptian, he was an Israelite brought up in the Egyptian royal family. Joel Edgerton was the Egyptian!

 

[Discotheque]

I think Affleck needs to direct his own superhero film for it to turn out good.

at this point that's the only way he'll trust being in one haha. poor guy, i hear he's great in this. bad luck with this stuff.

 

[bananafactory]

One of the most common complaints I'm seeing in reviews is that it's boring.

Yup. Bloated is thrown around too. I'd have never thought an extended cut of this would hurt but it sounds like what it actually needs is a reduced cut.

I am curious how much of its problems stem from editing, it would not surprise me to see a fan edit some day that greatly improves the product.

 

[Walpurgis]

Decided to check what hilarious title changes took place up until now, laughed my ass off:

Batman v. Superman Review Thread
Batman v. Superman Review Thread (RT 39% and climbing!)
Batman v. Superman Review Thread (RT 42% and climbing!) <-- I made this change!
Batman v. Superman Review Thread (RT 40% and fluctuating)
Batman v. Superman Review Thread (RT 39% and fluctuating)
Batman v. Superman Review Thread (RT 38% and getting farther behind Batman Forever)
Batman v. Superman Review Thread (RT 37% but it's still higher than Batman and Robin)
Batman v. Superman Review Thread (RT 35% almost as good as Prince Of Persia)
Batman v. Superman Review Thread (RT 35% almost as good as Rise of the Silver Surfer)
Batman v. Superman Review Thread (RT 35% dead heat with The Room, oh hi Tommy)
Batman v. Superman Review Thread (RT 35%, officially better than Gangster Squad!!!)
Batman v. Superman Review Thread (RT 37%, it's Mars Needs Moms good )

 

[HowZatOZ]

At this point my hype has been utterly destroyed so who knows I might end up enjoying it with lowered expectations

People reply on reviews a tad too much. Though I guess if time/money is short and you'd rather get bang for buck then sticking with safer titles would be more wise.

I'm still excited for tonight's midnight screening and I'm sure there are plenty of others as well. If it's a good movie it's a good movie.

 

[GlenChivas]

If anyone is still here that's actually seen the movie:

A while ago I remember seeing talk about possibly splitting the movie into two films. Would the movie have been better served had that been the case?

 

[Frozenprince]

Sound advice, but for the limitations of time and money, which preclude seeing every film. Personally, the films that review badly but that I enjoy tend to be a pretty small number, but they're out there. This kind of a thrashing does not give one hope, though.

People shouldn't be looking at review scores, anyway. You should read and listen to several, even some of the positive ones, and see which criticisms they have in common and align your own expectations through that.

Dismissing a critics opinion because "well I liked it" isn't the point of film criticism.

 

[Mrbob]

Is there any real chance Justice League will be better than this? Are all the same people involved query Justice League? If so the larger universe is screwed.

 

[Jeffolation]

Still getting IMAX tickets. I'm going down with this ship.

 

[-Plasma Reus-]

Oh my god.
This is fucking bizarre.
At this point the movie has to either be REALLY fucking bad. Or everyone expected Avengers and instead got something else that they just don't understand.

 

[TP-DK]

I reserve judgment until I actually see the movie myself...

But if this is what Hack Snyder can come up with while having a Oscar winning writer, director, composer, dozens of actors with Oscars and an astronomically high budget.... guy needs to be reevaluated at WB.

Like amongst all that talent you have to realize there has to be an odd one out.


People used to say he hasn't made a great movie yet because he gets paired up with bad writers... now he got an Oscar winner writer and still releases a mess of a movie? How much was his fault vs WB trying to shoehorn Justice League stuff into it?

Isnt this the same writer that made TDK,TDKR and MOS? Is that really good writing?

 

[Alandrus Sun]

If anyone is still here that's actually seen the movie:

A while ago I remember seeing talk about possibly splitting the movie into two films. Would the movie have been better served had that been the case?

If the movie required being split into two parts to kick off the origin of a new DC film franchise the film was already in trouble.

 

[Strangelove77]

Director's cut might be good.

 

[Walpurgis]

They're not as far apart as you make it sound

This is a headlining film for DC. It was supposed to kick off their cinematic universe. Thor was just another solo Avengers sequel. You would think that DC would ensure success here, or at least that's what I thought.

 

[Frozenprince]

Yup. Bloated is thrown around too. I'd have never thought an extended cut of this would hurt but it sounds like what it actually needs is a reduced cut.

I am curious how much of its problems stem from editing, it would not surprise me to see a fan edit some day that greatly improves the product.

Snyder's editing is crap, his cuts are like a first year film students sometimes. He really needs to tap a better department to do it for him.

 

[illmatic22]

Kevin James' Here comes the boom has a better RT % than this LMAO

 

[Salsa]

Director's cut might be good.

just what this film needs: more Snyder

 

[Apt101]

Maybe WB can just outsource their films to Disney? Would make financial sense.

 

[Intheflorsh]

DCU is DOA. Can't say I feel bad for them, they should have been smarter than to stick with a hack like Snyder.

 

[Grizzlyjin]

Double Toasted is gonna be so good this weekend. Korey or Martin might go on a rant.

Exactly what I was thinking. Martin has never been won over by any of the trailers, so I expect him to unleash. I've followed Korey's trajectory for hype. Second trailer was dog shit and looked way too campy, third trailer was hype with that Batman scene.

I'll still see it, but there have been concerning signs for awhile. For me, even basing a cinematic universe around Man of Steel made me worried. The biggest negative from fans leading up to this is concern that they're rushing into the world building. Turns out, that might have been the case.

 

[Chichikov]

He wasn't an Egyptian, he was an Israelite brought up in the Egyptian royal family. Joel Edgerton was the Egyptian!

The Israelites were in Egypt for 400 years at this point, but I guess for some people they never could be "real Egyptians".
Racist.

 

[GhaleonEB]

People shouldn't be looking at review scores, anyway. You should read and listen to several, even some of the positive ones, and see which criticisms they have in common and align your own expectations through that.

I was referring to the utility of RT as a tool for aggregating critical consensus, which is what it is. It serves a specific purpose. I have a handful of reviewers (and GAFers) to whom I generally look to for specific recommendations.

Dismissing a critics opinion because "well I liked it" isn't the point of film criticism.

I have no idea why this was directed at me, at all. I've never said anything of the sort.

 

[Frozenprince]

Exactly what I was thinking. Martin has never been won over by any of the trailers, so I expect him to unleash. I've followed Korey's trajectory for hype. Second trailer was dog shit and looked way too campy, third trailer was hype with that Batman scene.

Especially with how much Korey hates Zach Snyder (despite liking Watchmen).

Gonna be glorious.

 

[Cth]

If anyone is still here that's actually seen the movie:

A while ago I remember seeing talk about possibly splitting the movie into two films. Would the movie have been better served had that been the case?

It depends on what you want out of it.

If you want a popcorn/Bay film, nah.

If you want to set up a JLA/DCU franchise, nah.

There was a part where it felt like it ended, but then act 3 began.

There's just too many subplots/etc for them to juggle to split it.

 

[Jin]

If anyone is still here that's actually seen the movie:

A while ago I remember seeing talk about possibly splitting the movie into two films. Would the movie have been better served had that been the case?

Someone who saw the movie said earlier it was basically two movies in one.

 

[Fat4all]

Double Toasted and Half in the Bag reviews should be interesting.

 

[Frozenprince]

I was referring to the utility of RT as a tool for aggregating critical consensus, which is what it is. It serves a specific purpose. I have a handful of reviewers (and GAFers) to whom I generally look to for specific recommendations.



I have no idea why this was directed at me, at all. I've never said anything of the sort.

I wasn't meant to be directed at you, it was a general statement.

Sorry.