Didn't seem like Batman gave a fuck, honestly. Going on about howSo what was hebranding them for before Luthor put his plan in action? Sadism? And why didn't he stop when he realized his mark was causing unintended deaths?
My cousin brought a pointwhich was funny when i thought about it.bat took like 3 bullest point blank range and walked it off like nothing
He's basically Blankman!
So what was hebranding them for before Luthor put his plan in action? Sadism? And why didn't he stop when he realized his mark was causing unintended deaths?
There are things that happen in the movie now that are explained better, but that doesn't mean that they should be happening. Batmane really killed over 30 or 40 people easily, I can't get over that.
Didn't seem like Batman gave a fuck, honestly. Going on about howSuperman caused so much collateral in MoS and then doing the same damn thing lmao
Also I was looking forward to Jena Malone cus it sounded like a big deal that she was cut but it really wasn't. She had a tiny role.
He did kill a couple of folks but I don't think he even killed over 15 people. He wasn't a mass murderer.
I'll estimate 5, at most, from the batmobile chase, 2 from the machine gun, one guy who runs onto the grenade even though that's not Bats fault, kgbeast who could still be alive, etc. Am I missing any?
He did kill a couple of folks but I don't think he even killed over 15 people. He wasn't a mass murderer.
Crate guy he definitely killed lol
All those people in that car chase are definitely dead. He sends the first one flying into a trailer, drags it behind him, swings around and uses it to land straight on another car full of guys, killing all of them. He fires his gun at the dude of the back of the truck with the minigun, shredding that whole vehicle. Then when he flies in from above and lands on the storage truck, he lands right on one guy.
I'll estimate 5, at most, from the batmobile chase, 2 from the machine gun, one guy who runs onto the grenade even though that's not Bats fault, kgbeast who could still be alive, etc. Am I missing any?
I'll have to look out for that when I watch the UC. Maybe the guy is just in a coma?Still barely breaking 10 people lol
There is no way in hell KGBeast is still alive after his gas tank fucking exploded... Crate guy is definitely dead in the Ultimate Cut. Also in the UC, the dude he stabbed against the wall (lol) gets tortured even more before it cuts away, but I'd say the suggestion is he's dead too.
One of my favorite added moments that I haven't really seen mentioned much is the moment where Wonder Woman looks at Lois as they acknowledge each other as. It's a quiet and beautiful moment and really sells that Gadot also flat out nails the compassionate side of Wonder Woman.she is sitting over Superman's body
You can't rent this digitally yet? I didn't care for the theatrical but am interested in this, however there's no fucking way I'm spending $20 in hopes that I actually like this version more. Guess I'm waiting until next month.
I'll give you kgb but not the dude that got stabbed. Granted I haven't seen UC but it looked like Batmab stabbed him in the shoulder. Not sure what the lol is for, that was awesome
Movies have been releasing weeks early for digital purchase for a long time now. You will be able to rent digitally when it's available on disc in July.
I typically just buy movies that I like, not big on renting so I wasn't sure. I always assumed you could rent/buy digitally early. In this case I'm interested in seeing if I like the extended version but not interested enough in blindly paying $20 to find out.
Doing the death of Superman in movie #2 is a bit premature isn't it?
Bruce was already pretty anti-Superman before then. Upping the aggressiveness of his position because of a dream he had is incredibly flimsy and would make him look actually insane.
Of course, maybe that's the kind of bold, deconstructed Batman that Snyder was going for...
There's no reason to care about Superman's death when they've made two films and have yet to make this take on the character into a compelling figure. The Iron Giant did this same exact ending, in one film, with a character that barely talks and it's significantly more affective.
I don't believe he means the death itself, but for the audience to feel... anything from the death itself. Superman dying is shocking in itself, so those with years of history with the character likely felt something, but from a thematic point of view it just doesn't make sense for this to be tragic or for anyone to have learned anything from his death. From the theatrical cut at least.
That's what most mean by "earned." If Andy Dufrense escaped Shawshank after being a poorly developed character with questionable ideologies and plot holes regarding the character, no one would have cared. It would not have been an "earned" victory.
Isn't there a part where he blows up 3 cars during the rescue for Martha and just blows right through them? I mean I guess in that scenario what do you do?I'll estimate 5, at most, from the batmobile chase, 2 from the machine gun, one guy who runs onto the grenade even though that's not Bats fault, kgbeast who could still be alive, etc. Am I missing any?
Vudu has buying both the blu ray and digital for $25. You can watch the digital version and they'll send you the blu ray when it's out.
Vudu has buying both the blu ray and digital for $25. You can watch the digital version and they'll send you the blu ray when it's out.
That's what I did.
People who try to tally off Batman's number of confirmed kills as if to say "Oh, he's not bad, just a few here and there" miss the point entirely.
Nolan's Batman killed people as well, plenty of them, but his rule in the Nolan movies was not "I'll never kill", but rather "I'll never murder". I talked about this in the other thread, but Nolan's Batman had a gentle heart and greatly valued life. The most significant act of taking alive was Harvey Dent. This was right after he saved the Joker's life. But he didn't murder Harvey. He pushed him off the ledge in the persuit of saving a child's life. He didn't realistically have another option, given how wounded he was and the situation at hand, and he certainly didn't intend to kill Harvey, and he felt horrible about it...but it can't be denied that Batman killed Harvey Dent. There was no uproar over that, or any of the other Batman killings because while the situation was one that resulted in death, Batman intentions were to avert it at all times.
I think there is a lot of pushback against the 'no kill' rule in live action. And I get why: It's simply speaking unrealistic to expect Batman to go through his kind of live without, in some way, dealing with death, and his no kill rule can get absurd when he's up against the kind of danger he is. Of course, that argument can be equally bounced back by pointing out that a lot of the danger is implausible to happen (like people escaping from jail over and over), if you're trying to go for a flavor of realism, so Batman's rule of not killing his villains makes more sense when he only has to stop them once before they're gone forever.
But then we have BvS Batman...Snyder made a statement before that Batman doesn't murder, he just commits a whole bunch of manslaughter. On a surface level, that's comparable to Nolan's Batman...but not actually. Both Batman's may have no problem with Manslaughter, but Nolan's Batman makes a concentrated effort to avoid death where possible. While death happens around him, he can make a convincing case that there was no other situation in which his actions would have worked. That's not the case of BvS batman. In pure technical terms, he commits manslaughter, because, for example, when he's in the car chase, his objective is to catch the car rather than kill any of these guys. The difference is that he clearly doesn't go out of his way to not kill them. It's clear that he has absolutely no regard for the lives of criminals and, by all indications, would happily murder them if he felt like that would be helpful. In fact, that's literally his objective with Superman. He's premeditating and making the objective to kill Superman. The premise of the movie is Batman trying to become a murderer. But it goes even a step further with that. With the Brand thing explained, I can only come to a conclusion that he only brands people as a sadistic power trip, because there is no reason for it otherwise.
People often praise Batman as the character of the film, and I can admit that Ben Affleck does a good job portraying him, but it depresses me to see that people praise this batman as the best incarnation of the character. I mean....people often try to associate Batman with mental illness, which makes sense, because his is a very psychological character, his rogue gallery suffering from all sorts of mental diseases and it's often a talking point that maybe Batman is as crazy as his enemies. But when people talk about that, it's mostly that suffers from a compulsion to perform feats of heroism because of what happened to him as a kid. But this batman is nothing but a cruel, sadistic, and angry bully whose more concerned with being on a power trip than actually helping anyone. It's the only explanation that makes sense with the fact that he goes out of his way to power trip while beating Superman instead of flat out killing him and then turning his position around when he realizes he can emphatize with him. Otherwise, the problem of his power, with the destruction of metropolis being a haunting reminder of what could go wrong, remains.
And that's when people usually go "But Veelk, the film makes it clear he wasn't always like that!" Who cares? There's no justification he can give that can justify his behavior in the present. Like, dude, I'm sorry that you suffered the loss of your parents, your Robin, your employees, whatever, but nothing about that makes any of this okay. Only someone of severely stunted emotional maturity would try to claim otherwise. And keep in mind, nothing has happened to him recently, as far as we know. I could forgive making bad judgements while in the midst of despair, but he lost his employees a year and a half ago and has done nothing but stewed his fury all that time and projected the blame onto a guy who wasn't to blame for it. Even moreso with the death of his parents and Robin.
"But Veelk, that's the point of this batman! He's a awful shitheel! Isn't that awesome?!" No. No, it's not. He's...pathetic. And he makes me angry. That, in itself, doesn't stop him from being a good character, but it really depresses me that many people frame up these qualities....cruelty, brutality, sadism.... as something to be admired. They can be fascinating to examine in well written characters, such as Walter White, and that's all good and fair but I find it a hard thing to conceive how they should be qualities to admire, and that's the vibe I get whenever someone cheers at how horrible a person Batman is in this incarnation. But even ignoring that, none of these qualities make Batman an interesting character to me. Fallen or corrupted heroes need some kind of tangible evidence of how they were once good, and what do we have? Alfred telling us "This is how it starts" and him mournfully looking at a defiled robin costume that he maintains. From the TC itself, I have no reason to believe that at any point that Batman wasn't a motherfucker from the jumping off point other than some vague remarks about how things used to be better. Better how? To what extent? For all I know, Alfred just means that Batman used to hide the bodies rather than just leaving them out in the open messily.
And without that point of contrast, all I have is this angry, fearful, piece of shit coward that wants to murder an innocent guy just because he projects the cause of his fears and insecurities onto him and only then spares him once he can in some way relate him to himself. Fuck this guy with a rebar. Especially in this poltiical atmosphere (which I normally wouldn't bring up, but given how this film outright fucking begs for it with it's parallels to 9/11, I say it's relevant), where people are routinely othered, hated, and blamed for all that is wrong with the world to the point where real and tangible acts of hostility are inflicted on them.
That's who this batman is. Fuck him. Whether his kill count is 5 or 500, he's a piece of shit.
I must be the only person alive that never thinks or cares about Batman killing people.
That's who this batman is. Fuck him.
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That is not what most people seem to have walked away with, or what marketing wants you to think, so I really don't think that was intended. Most seem to really like this Batman & the movie seems to try to portray him as heroic in a dark way.Congratulations, you have correctly assessed that Batman is one of the villains of this movie.
Soon we will move onto other basic concepts of literacy, such as "Lois is Superman's girlfriend" and "Wonder Woman wears red."
I generally agree with most of this but we are given a sign of Bruce's heroics before the fall. I don't think the film justifies his downfall particularly well, doesn't really sell his change other than telling us "yeah he's an asshole now".
But the metropolis sequence was a good look at the 'heroic' batman that people were clamoring for, despite him being out of the suit. When you see him try to help that employee by lifting the debris, and then diving to save the girl and then consoling her immediately after. It was a pretty good pitch of a traditional Bruce Wayne pre-asshole mode. That's no less pure heroic a character than I've seen in any of these other comic book movies imo.
It doesn't really matter to me that much either.