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[Red]

It is actually a pretty Gears of War with some PoP and very, very, very little Tomb Raider. Makes me think the guy hasn't played the game....

Don't get defensive about this now; the game is clearly Tomb Raider-esque in story and theme. "Drake's Fortune."

 

[Attack You]

Last gen, I was head over heels for Sony's software offerings, without question. This gen, though? Entirely cold towards them. After I had my fill of LBP and HSG5, I don't feel like I'm missing out on anything.

 

[Ranger X]

I think this whole debate is moot anyways.

What matters to judge a console lineup is the exclusives in my humble opinion. If you Wiki the exclusives for 360, PS3 and Wii, you can pretty much see this:

-Most exclusives in numbers: Wii
-Most diversity seems to go like this (at least in the widely knowned titles): Wii > PS3 > 360

If I exclusively look at first party games in that list, I'd say that the PS3 and Wii are pretty much a tie for me and the 360 would be the less diverse (aka interesting) one. Maybe not behind by a large margin but enough to be overlooked if you owned the 2 other consoles.

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[Returners]

I think SONY's first party lineup suffers from mediocrity.

Their games are good, but they aren't special.

Uncharted is a pretty Tomb Raider with some Gears of Wars and PoP. The game is excellent, but it does nothing new.
Killzone 2 is another shooter; a great one with pretty graphics, but nothing that haven't been done before (and this generation has delivered in the same genre a lot of games).
Ratchet and Clank is the same old Ratchet and Clank with better graphics.
Wipeout is the same.
Resistance is the same as Killzone.
Motorstorm is your average racer with awesome physics and graphics. Hell, most gaffers prefer the superior Excite Truck to this (which is a lot more original).
And I could go on and on.

The only "different" (retail) game they have released is LBP, and it failed to do anything because it was released to a userbase accustomed on getting more of the same with better graphics.

The difference with Nintendo's games, is that Nintendo has been disruptive this generation.
They have this awesome Wii Fit software (that was not cheap to make); that is so successful that even my mom talked to me about the Wii and Wii Fit (she has never even mentioned a console before).
Wii Sports and Wii Play are little experiments that changed the way we play many successful or not types of games.

You have the old games with some sort of special add on, that have been greatly successful (Mario Kart, Wario Ware, Mario Party, etc).

Then you see the games that are more of the same, but better, the "core" games (Galaxy, Fire Emblem, Smash, Zelda, Metroid, etc) and they have sold a comparable amount of what those series always sell.

And you see people preferring playing sports games with the Wii remote (Tiger Woods is a good example). Also there are two big companies right now fighting for the next big hit tennis game on the Wii.
You see people preferring the Wii versions of snowboards games (Shaun...) because of the balance board.

You see, the problem with the PS3 is that the only new things it brought are a good (not great) and free online infrastructure, and Blu-Ray playing capabilities, and most of the games suffer the "most of the same with better graphics" stigma (deserved).

In the end, the people have spoken. Wii first party lineup is by far the best and it is not even a close contest. Fight for the second place.

Wow nintendo fanboy much?

I don't get your more of the same argument. I guess you don't think all the games listed above improved upon their predecessors (Killzone, WipEout, Motorstorm etc, which I find ridiculous)

The main part of your argument doesn't even talk about the supposed quality of the Wii software output, just how the hardware attracts users to try it. You're talking about the Wii itself, not the games on it.

Sony is trying to establish new franchises, which is why things don't sell in the first place, they don't have an established name out there. Software like Wii Fit, and Wii Play are leveraging the effect of the Wii hardware itself, and without a conventional controller, gets them into the household.

And also depends on your definition, IMO successful != best quality. So to me, your argument falls flat in the water.

 

[Gbeav]

I could see how many could choose Nintendo as having the best first party stuff as those franchises have done very well.

Of course I would point and laugh at them after they turn their backs to me

 

[RedRedSuit]

Don't get defensive about this now; the game is clearly Tomb Raider-esque in story and theme. "Drake's Fortune."

I'm not getting defensive; there's nothing wrong with Tomb Raider per se. It's just not true.

Yes, in story and theme. Not in gameplay. 90% of the time you're shooting people from cover. 10% of the time you're jumping from ledge to ledge, a-la PoP. About 1% of the time you're solving some really simplistic puzzle. Hence, despite seeming superficially like Tomb Raider if you just look at its theme, it's actually very little like it. Certainly not a "prettier Tomb Raider with some PoP and Gears." You don't go play through Uncharted and then say, "Wow, that was so much like Tomb Raider."

 

[Karma]

So I was just also thinking over the exclusive items for each fast food restaurant and it just seems like an absolute runaway victory for McDonalds.

I mean I don't think that Burger King or the Taco Bell have an exclusive lineup that can rival Big Mac, Big N Tasty, Double Quarter Pounder,
Egg McMuffin, McNuggets and Filet-O-Fish. And the really impressive thing is how many different kinds of items there are in that list.

And hell I hear the McRib is coming back this Christmas.

 

[Orlics]

So I was just also thinking over the exclusive items for each fast food restaurant and it just seems like an absolute runaway victory for McDonalds.

I mean I don't think that Burger King or the Taco Bell have an exclusive lineup that can rival Big Mac, Big N Tasty, Double Quarter Pounder,
Egg McMuffin, McNuggets and Filet-O-Fish. And the really impressive thing is how many different kinds of items there are in that list.

And hell I hear the McRib is coming back this Christmas.

Quality post.

 

[Malvolio]

So I was just also thinking over the exclusive items for each fast food restaurant and it just seems like an absolute runaway victory for McDonalds.

I mean I don't think that Burger King or the Taco Bell have an exclusive lineup that can rival Big Mac, Big N Tasty, Double Quarter Pounder,
Egg McMuffin, McNuggets and Filet-O-Fish. And the really impressive thing is how many different kinds of items there are in that list.

And hell I hear the McRib is coming back this Christmas.

Don't forget Happy Meals. Your line up needs diversity and the ability to cater to every market. The Happy Meal fills this void nicely. On top of that, it brings brand recognition. Everyone knows that Happy Meals are more than just meals that are happy.

 

[Haunted]

Oh, apparently I am late to this thread.

Well, I have debated the merits of both sides of the argument for the longest time, and after a long time of thoughtful and careful deliberation have come to the following conclusion:

Spoiler

AHUAHUAHUA

 

[Red]

I'm not getting defensive; there's nothing wrong with Tomb Raider per se. It's just not true.

Yes, in story and theme. Not in gameplay. 90% of the time you're shooting people from cover. 10% of the time you're jumping from ledge to ledge, a-la PoP. About 1% of the time you're solving some really simplistic puzzle. Hence, despite seeming superficially like Tomb Raider if you just look at its theme, it's actually very little like it. Certainly not a "prettier Tomb Raider with some PoP and Gears." You don't go play through Uncharted and then say, "Wow, that was so much like Tomb Raider."

Alright, you have a point with that one. I was reading the post differently, but saying a "prettier Tomb Raider" does connote that.

And the restaurant stuff: you guys know a Burger King double cheeseburger is $3? Three-fucking-dollars. Sure, it's better than a double cheeseburger from anywhere else. But is it better than three double cheeseburgers from anywhere else?

 

[MisterHero]

Repeating myself here
Again, let's say you throw out logic and want to create a "second-party" category regardless of the first-party publisher producing the game. How do you clasiffy the origin of a developer when development staffs of 50-100 people are composed of multiple studios now.

I'm basing my categorization by ownership/workload involvement of the game. You wouldn't say SSBB is a "X-party game" based on companies involved because content is almost all Nintendo IP so even if developed by 3rd-Party/produced by then 2nd-Party(ies) the game exists under Nintendo's label.

Pokemon is made/owned by Nintendo, Game Freak, and Creatures Inc. Both Game Freak and Creatures Inc are exclusive to Nintendo, even if not owned (Game Freak).

Mario & Sonic at the Olympics is a Sega game (thus 3rd Party) because Sega worked on it and I presume is their IP (based on Sega having made a Mario-less version for cellphone, etc) even if under Miyamoto's supervision.

F-Zero GX/AX is first-party because it's Nintendo's IP (which includes their work/contributions from past versions of the series) even if Sega worked on the one installment (I hope there will be more by either company ). Same goes for Namco/StarFox Assault.

I don't know what you think of the legitimacy of this article but I don't think the concept of second-party is too hard, even today. Maybe more examples are needed?

So I was just also thinking over the exclusive items for each fast food restaurant and it just seems like an absolute runaway victory for McDonalds.

I mean I don't think that Burger King or the Taco Bell have an exclusive lineup that can rival Big Mac, Big N Tasty, Double Quarter Pounder,
Egg McMuffin, McNuggets and Filet-O-Fish. And the really impressive thing is how many different kinds of items there are in that list.

And hell I hear the McRib is coming back this Christmas.

You can argue all day about their mainline but Burger King has the breakfast market cornered.

Crossainwiches FTFW

 

[beelzebozo]

So I was just also thinking over the exclusive items for each fast food restaurant and it just seems like an absolute runaway victory for McDonalds.

I mean I don't think that Burger King or the Taco Bell have an exclusive lineup that can rival Big Mac, Big N Tasty, Double Quarter Pounder,
Egg McMuffin, McNuggets and Filet-O-Fish. And the really impressive thing is how many different kinds of items there are in that list.

And hell I hear the McRib is coming back this Christmas.

great minds think alike

best fried chicken joint in my town doesn't even seem like a close contest. joe bob's cluckin' chicken has so many great menu items: tnt buffalo chicken, teeth-shatterin' crispy chicken, gramma's famous dreamy creamy cole slaw, don't-stop-til-you-get-a-corn muffins. . .

there's really just no comparison here

and with his upcoming two buckets of fried chicken livers for the price of one deal, i only see the gap widening

 

[Haunted]

I should've just posted the ackbar.gif and be done with it. I'll be honest, I couldn't even make it through the second page of all this stupidity.


Let's bail, beelze.

 

[Karma]

great minds think alike

:lol Missed that. Good to see others understand the difference between personal taste and fact.

 

[beelzebozo]

I should've just posted the ackbar.gif and be done with it. I'll be honest, I couldn't even make it through the second page of all this stupidity.


Let's bail, beelze.

done and done

 

[Karma]

You can argue all day about their mainline but Burger King has the breakfast market cornered.

Crossainwiches FTFW

You are just a Burger King fanboy or you work for them. Their breakfast is absolute garbage compared to McDonalds.

McGriddle FTMFW.

 

[GarthVaderUK]

There's a first party in my pants. Not to be confused with fist party.

 

[Deleted member 30609]

I get the feeling that while Sony has a lot of quality first party titles, they're only considered awesome by the general Sony community because they are, obviously, exclusive games.

 

[TheGreatDave]

I get the feeling that while Sony has a lot of quality first party titles, they're only considered awesome by the general Sony community because they are, obviously, exclusive games.

UNCHARRRRRRRRRRRRTEEEEEEEEEDDDDDDDDDDDD RAWWWWWRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!1111111111

 

[viciouskillersquirrel]

2 questions.

Why do you care about profit? Do you work for Nintendo? I'm not saying thatyour post is wrong, but seriously, let the people who actually make money/lose money from this shit worry about making a profit, we should worry about if their game is good enough to spend $60.00 on.

Second question is why did you spoiler tag your post? I thought it was a little strange :lol :lol .

I'm interested in the business side of the industry, mostly because profiting and surviving in entertainment is like squeezing blood from a stone - quality doesn't necessarily sell and what sells isn't necessarily quality. It's so risky and hard to follow that I find it intellectually stimulating.

I was answering his asinine system warz "Sony is teh most innovative out to progress mankind to a bright HD future / MS are money grubbers only out for your money / Nintendo meh" comment by pointing out that Nintendo are in fact the company that's most out for money/concerned with profit, NOT Microsoft and that each company's innovations are far less about invention or "progress" or some other BS than they are about corporate strategy. Since Nintendo's strategy seems to be the one that worked the best this gen, I chose to examine that one to break down his argument.

The spoiler tags are only there because the important part of the post was the smackdown I gave him in the first line. If he wants to argue, he can highlight the spoiler tags to be owned again.

 

[Ganondorfo]

PS3 has the best games for example

Game blablablla
Game blablablabla
Game blablabla

But XBOX360 has also game blablablabla, but wii has a better version of game blablablabla, but we all do like game blablablabla.

I can't wait for the sequel of game blablablabla.

 

[Grampa Simpson]

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Neener neener neener! My soulless corporation of choice is better than your soulless corporation of choice!

 

[fernoca]

Neener neener neener! My soulless corporation of choice is better than your soulless corporation of choice!

Yeah..but..
1080p soul >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>480p soul

 

[rainking187]

So I was just also thinking over the exclusive items for each fast food restaurant and it just seems like an absolute runaway victory for McDonalds.

I mean I don't think that Burger King or the Taco Bell have an exclusive lineup that can rival Big Mac, Big N Tasty, Double Quarter Pounder,
Egg McMuffin, McNuggets and Filet-O-Fish. And the really impressive thing is how many different kinds of items there are in that list.

And hell I hear the McRib is coming back this Christmas.

Whopper is worth 30 Big Macs.

 

[AltogetherAndrews]

done and done

Hippies

 

[Mamesj]

round up everyone before my post and put them in a blender

 

[viciouskillersquirrel]

Whopper is worth 30 Big Macs.

I agree with this, actually. I should have a whopper for lunch today.

 

[krypt0nian]

I get the feeling that while Sony has a lot of quality first party titles, they're only considered awesome by the general Sony community because they are, obviously, exclusive games.

Now expand that to all exclusives on all consoles and you may have a point. Right now...not so much.

Because it pretty much looks like you're shitting on Sony games for no real reason.

 

[Ten-Song]

You are just a Burger King fanboy or you work for them. Their breakfast is absolute garbage compared to McDonalds.

McGriddle FTMFW.

No way, Burger King's breakfast is way better, simply because they have French Toast Sticks. I also like their hash browns better as well, because every time I've had hash browns from McDonalds, they're like solid lumps of grease that have been sitting under a lamp for a long ass time and taste like ass.

 

[overthehill99]

I think SONY's first party lineup suffers from mediocrity.

Their games are good, but they aren't special.

Uncharted is a pretty Tomb Raider with some Gears of Wars and PoP. The game is excellent, but it does nothing new.
Killzone 2 is another shooter; a great one with pretty graphics, but nothing that haven't been done before (and this generation has delivered in the same genre a lot of games).
Ratchet and Clank is the same old Ratchet and Clank with better graphics.
Wipeout is the same.
Resistance is the same as Killzone.
Motorstorm is your average racer with awesome physics and graphics. Hell, most gaffers prefer the superior Excite Truck to this (which is a lot more original).
And I could go on and on.

The only "different" (retail) game they have released is LBP, and it failed to do anything because it was released to a userbase accustomed on getting more of the same with better graphics.

The difference with Nintendo's games, is that Nintendo has been disruptive this generation.
They have this awesome Wii Fit software (that was not cheap to make); that is so successful that even my mom talked to me about the Wii and Wii Fit (she has never even mentioned a console before).
Wii Sports and Wii Play are little experiments that changed the way we play many successful or not types of games.

You have the old games with some sort of special add on, that have been greatly successful (Mario Kart, Wario Ware, Mario Party, etc).

Then you see the games that are more of the same, but better, the "core" games (Galaxy, Fire Emblem, Smash, Zelda, Metroid, etc) and they have sold a comparable amount of what those series always sell.

And you see people preferring playing sports games with the Wii remote (Tiger Woods is a good example). Also there are two big companies right now fighting for the next big hit tennis game on the Wii.
You see people preferring the Wii versions of snowboards games (Shaun...) because of the balance board.

You see, the problem with the PS3 is that the only new things it brought are a good (not great) and free online infrastructure, and Blu-Ray playing capabilities, and most of the games suffer the "most of the same with better graphics" stigma (deserved).

In the end, the people have spoken. Wii first party lineup is by far the best and it is not even a close contest. Fight for the second place.

Joke post?

 

[viciouskillersquirrel]

No way, Burger King's breakfast is way better, simply because they have French Toast Sticks. I also like their hash browns better as well, because every time I've had hash browns from McDonalds, they're like solid lumps of grease that have been sitting under a lamp for a long ass time and taste like ass.

I can agree with this too - Burger King has better breakfasts. Micky D's is stuck in the past with their McMuffins while Burger King (called Hungry Jack's here) sells you the Steak & Egg Brekky Wrap, crispy hash browns and orange juice with ice in it. If that's not awesome, I don't know what is!

 

[Threi]

Now expand that to all exclusives on all consoles and you may have a point.

that is exactly it.

that is exactly why this thread is fucking retarded to begin with.

that is exactly why any other thread in this vain will be equally retarded.

honestly arguing about fast food chains is both more entertaining and intellectually satisfying, and it doesn't exactly set a high bar to beat.





btw McD has the best hash browns, but their egg McMuffins taste like shit. However their hotcakes taste awesome.

 

[Harteex]

But does the 360 and Wii have.......... secret PS3 game?
That settles it.

 

[Hcoregamer00]

btw McD has the best hash browns, but their egg McMuffins taste like shit. However their hotcakes taste awesome.

Aww...reading this makes me a sad puppy.

 

[Grampa Simpson]

Yeah..but..
1080p soul >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>480p soul

I have one final thing I want you to consider. Ladies and gentlemen, this is Chewbacca. Chewbacca is a Wookiee from the planet Kashyyyk. But Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now think about it; that does not make sense!

 

[viciouskillersquirrel]

btw McD has the best hash browns, but their egg McMuffins taste like shit. However their hotcakes taste awesome.

Joke post? Why are you shilling McDonald$ when they don't care about you? It's a scientifically proven fact that Burger King's hash browns are both crispier and fresher than any you could get at your run of the mill Maccas.

 

[Volcynika]

Aww...reading this makes me a sad puppy.

Kittens are better than puppies!

 

[Grecco]

that is exactly it.

that is exactly why this thread is fucking retarded to begin with.

that is exactly why any other thread in this vain will be equally retarded.

honestly arguing about fast food chains is both more entertaining and intellectually satisfying, and it doesn't exactly set a high bar to beat.





btw McD has the best hash browns, but their egg McMuffins taste like shit. However their hotcakes taste awesome.

McGriddles are pretty weird but in a good way. We also have McCriollos that are beter than Egg mcMuffins

 

[Grampa Simpson]

Kittens are better than puppies!

Kittens are better than puppies, squirrels, or ferrets.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

Sony has the best first party software? Really?

I think they do. Combine it's retail and PSN offerings and it really shouldn't be that much of an argument.

I get the feeling that while Sony has a lot of quality first party titles, they're only considered awesome by the general Sony community because they are, obviously, exclusive games.

I am more prominently a PS3 user but this is not my mentality. In case people get the wrong idea based on a forum.

This is seriously SW here. Mods, come now. Do us a favor and lock this pile of trash.

 

[Ten-Song]

Kittens are better than puppies, squirrels, or ferrets.

And what makes that so in my book, is simply because of how easy it is to potty train them. I've never had an easy time potty training a dog... every time I've had to teach that lesson to a cat though, I just drop them in the box, and BAM, that's done. "This is your poo box. You poo in here." No argument or fuss.

 

[viciouskillersquirrel]

Kittens are better than puppies, squirrels, or ferrets.

:O

TAKE THAT BACK!!!

 

[ThatObviousUser]

btw McD has the best hash browns, but their egg McMuffins taste like shit. However their hotcakes taste awesome.

Pfft no one goes to fast food restaurants for breakfast. Blech, disgusting.

Btw it's all about McD's Chicken sandwiches yo.

 

[Grampa Simpson]

:O

TAKE THAT BACK!!!

Says the guy with the obvious squirrel bias with the squirrel avatar and squirrel username. You squirrelbots make me shake my head sometimes.

 

[viciouskillersquirrel]

Says the guy with the obvious squirrel bias with the squirrel avatar and squirrel username. You squirrelbots make me shake my head sometimes.

bmf
smh
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[JoeMartin]

How the fuck was this not locked on the first page, let alone by now?

 

[Grampa Simpson]

How the fuck was this not locked on the first page, let alone by now?

Because it's much more fun to derail it.

 

[SovietStriker]

How the fuck was this not locked on the first page, let alone by now?

Seriously, and anyways its not like your limited to playing 1st party when buy a console. N64 had really good 1st party games and was more powerful than PS1 but when it came to 3rd party exclusives it kinda sucked (and we all know who won that gen's "war"). You can brag all you want but at the end of the day but now its either a mix 1st and 3rd party or 3rd party alone that wins (look at ps1).

 

[fanboi]

So thread derailment initiated, eh?

Well, I will throw this in:

Anal sex is WAY better then vulva sex.