Betting time: Do you think the Switch will be a success?
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MikeE21286
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It's priced too high I think. Good concept. Will do better ham Wii U. I think we are looking at sales levels slightly above Gamecube
I'll also add that the accessory pricing adds insult to injury
I'll also add that the accessory pricing adds insult to injury
My guess is that it will have a strong launch but quickly lose momentum due to the pricing. Paid online only coming in Autumn is a smart move since it doesn't add further to the entry price (for now), but a slow launch year and a few canceled titles will hurt the sales to the point where Nintendo will be forced to drop the price.
If they do that, it will go on to succeed afterwards, otherwise it's gonna be Vita 2.0.
If they do that, it will go on to succeed afterwards, otherwise it's gonna be Vita 2.0.
Disagree Guy
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No I don't
I think they have dropped the ball on so many aspects of this
I think they have dropped the ball on so many aspects of this
I wish I knew how much more they had in store to tell us about the software lineup in the near future. If they're still trying to keep some surprises for this year in their pocket then it might have a chance.
If what they showed last night is the extent of what they have for 2017... Ouch. No Pokémon, Smash, Gamecube VC? No VC announcements at all? Paid online? 3rd party support worse than even the skeptics thought? I mean... fuck... I was super hyped going into last night and now I feel like kind of a jackass. I definitely don't know how to sell this to all my adult gamer friends who skipped out on WiiU.
"It's only $300, accessories are more expensive than any console ever, online won't be free anymore by the time the game library takes off, no game comes with it and it looks like it won't be good for anything beyond Nintendo games, just like WiiU!"
If what they showed last night is the extent of what they have for 2017... Ouch. No Pokémon, Smash, Gamecube VC? No VC announcements at all? Paid online? 3rd party support worse than even the skeptics thought? I mean... fuck... I was super hyped going into last night and now I feel like kind of a jackass. I definitely don't know how to sell this to all my adult gamer friends who skipped out on WiiU.
"It's only $300, accessories are more expensive than any console ever, online won't be free anymore by the time the game library takes off, no game comes with it and it looks like it won't be good for anything beyond Nintendo games, just like WiiU!"
Caipirinha
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Genuinely think it will be a failure and the last Nintendo console.
This was their last chance to wise up.
This was their last chance to wise up.
OG_Original Gamer
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It appears they have created a hybrid, but a hybrid of all the failed consoles. Its got some Sega Saturn, Dreamcast, and a large portion of WiiU.
As a Nintendo fan, I'm starting to question whether or not Nintendo should continue in the hardware market.
Such a impotent company right now, they just can't seem to get it up.
As a Nintendo fan, I'm starting to question whether or not Nintendo should continue in the hardware market.
Such a impotent company right now, they just can't seem to get it up.
Bear Force One
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Hmmm. Buy in at full price and get the Ambassador Program after price drop or wait for inevitable price drop when this stalls immediately?
Suburban Thug
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Wait you have to use a smartphone app for voice chat? I literally laughed out loud reading that...you've got to be making a joke. Nintendo wants to charge for online and make you get an app to talk to your friends or randoms you meet? If true they really have no idea what they are doing.
Aztechnology
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Nailed it. They're still trying to recapture the wii magic and they have no freaking idea that it was simply a convergence of multiple factors at the right time. It doesn't play today though. I don't think they ever really understood.
Unknown One
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Nope another Wii-U, that is my guess.
Interfectum
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It'll sell well out the gate then drop like a rock after the hype dies down. The thing is too expensive and the paid online is absurd.
kruis
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Splatoon 2 will die a horrible death when Nintendo begins charging for online play.
QuixoticNeutral
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For reference, the emergency price drop for the Nintendo 3DS from $249 to $169 took all of five months (March to August 2011), and while I wouldn't hold my breath for anything that drastic, some urgent measures in the post-launch period are not out of the question if the negative perceptions from the presentation stick through the weekend. One potential point of flexibility, and I admit this is what I've crossed my fingers for, is for a revision of their online strategy during the "trial period" before anyone has put their money down.
The precedent of the 3DS cut does give me pause and make me wonder if I should stick with Zelda for the Wii U, especially if I mean to play little else in the early months. But how many consumers enticed by the Switch are aware of that history? (The kind dedicated enough to own a Wii U, sure, but that's a fraction of the market.)
The rumour mill certainly did the device a grave disservice by planting in everyone's heads an expectation of $249. I know that was already the upper limit for many people going in, especially those among you who are multiple console owners and considering the Switch as a secondary, but if you believed $299 to be likely from the start, that isn't the source of disappointment nearly as much as some of the other concerns.
The precedent of the 3DS cut does give me pause and make me wonder if I should stick with Zelda for the Wii U, especially if I mean to play little else in the early months. But how many consumers enticed by the Switch are aware of that history? (The kind dedicated enough to own a Wii U, sure, but that's a fraction of the market.)
The rumour mill certainly did the device a grave disservice by planting in everyone's heads an expectation of $249. I know that was already the upper limit for many people going in, especially those among you who are multiple console owners and considering the Switch as a secondary, but if you believed $299 to be likely from the start, that isn't the source of disappointment nearly as much as some of the other concerns.
PinkyMonkey
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Nintendo finally managed to do it...now both their home console and the handheld will have lack of software.
SporeCrawler
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they did have quite good online with mario kart and splatoon. smash was also okay but a bit more laggy
the_milkybar_kid
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They had my money. I'd already pre-ordered. Then that presentation happened. Got to be the worst launch line up I've ever seen.
I can't seen them doing anywhere near big numbers in the first year unless they do something like a £50 drop and bundle Mario Kart in at Christmas.
I can't seen them doing anywhere near big numbers in the first year unless they do something like a £50 drop and bundle Mario Kart in at Christmas.
It's a $300 handheld, after the previous one bombed at $250 years ago. It's a handheld with $60 games. It requires you to pay in order to play online games, when the biggest draw of the platform are arguably those very same games. You get a NES game with that subscription to play for a month.
Honestly, no.
Honestly, no.
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[Asmodean]
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I think they've made the mistake of marketing it as a 'console' which it clearly falls short as. Unless their 1st party support is legendary, to compensate...
They should be marketing it as a handheld, that can also connect to a TV for 'full screen HD home gaming' ™
It sounds like an impressive handheld gaming device.
It sounds like a terrible console. By comparison to competition.
#edit: also - the price is like $50 too high..
They should be marketing it as a handheld, that can also connect to a TV for 'full screen HD home gaming' ™
It sounds like an impressive handheld gaming device.
It sounds like a terrible console. By comparison to competition.
#edit: also - the price is like $50 too high..
I felt Wii U would fail, it was gimmicky and overpriced. I feel the same with Switch, it's not a concept that gamers (outside of Nintendo die hards) will warm to in the west. Next to its competitors it's already outdated and this is next to base model Xbox and PS4. Then there's the incomplete and bizzare implementation of online, cost of accessories and games.
Worse versions of 3rd party games, worse looking games and more costly (32GB storage what were they thinking ?). It'll do worse then Wii U.
Fail.
Worse versions of 3rd party games, worse looking games and more costly (32GB storage what were they thinking ?). It'll do worse then Wii U.
Fail.
MatthewB92
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Better than Wiiu but they will see like 30 million i bet the life of it. Don't see it selling gangbusters. Gonna get one but I'm not even gonna preorder it.
I agree that GAF feels very strongly one way or the other about things, and it does not represent the sentiment of the greater market.
I think their biggest mistake was adding all this great technology to the joy cons mean that your price went up by a lot. To the point where we see where those controllers are priced at and that makes me understand more why it's priced at $300. They know they had hype in the sales and had too much tech also to sell it at a loss, so here we are at $300. This one's up on the air.
I think their biggest mistake was adding all this great technology to the joy cons mean that your price went up by a lot. To the point where we see where those controllers are priced at and that makes me understand more why it's priced at $300. They know they had hype in the sales and had too much tech also to sell it at a loss, so here we are at $300. This one's up on the air.
But how is it supposed to be handheld?
Because the battery can last only 3.5 hours at best (the weak point of the nvidia-tablet until today, we should admit it) and because only "dockered" (sorry for bad english ^^") is enable to gain full power.
So it's not portable: it's a device able to move from a room to another room, inside your house... maybe only to be connected to another dock, in another room lol
Movalpolos
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With the late Iwata gone, I doubt we will see any ambassador program.
matrix-cat
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Ambassador Program incoming before Christmas, I think.
SolarPowered
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No way this things surpasse N64 numbers if the pricing stays this stingy throughout it's lifetime, but it might hit NES numbers if they pull their heads out of their asses and do major price drops for the first couple of years.
They're currently taking crazy pills.
They're currently taking crazy pills.
always crazy bacon
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Wii sold well ALSO because of the price point and motion controls were new.
Plinko
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This is what I don't get about GAF:
VR: "I love these motion controls!"
Non-VR: "Oh man waggle is terrible."
It all depends on the marketing at this point. They did themselves no favors last night, but I don't think any of it was system killing. BotW will be huge and despite what many think 1, 2, Switch could resonate with consumers. Though I do think it should be bundled with the system. The 300 price point with no free software is a task order in this environment.
Makoto-Yuki
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The way I'm feeling right now is that I'll buy one...in maybe 4-5 years from now, if it lasts that long, and that way I get it at cheap price, don't need to pay online fees for years, will hopefully have hardware revisions with better battery, and will also hopefully have a solid amount of games.
then again I did have the same approach to the WiiU and now I'll never own one.
then again I did have the same approach to the WiiU and now I'll never own one.
kruis
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There's no market for handheld consoles with a $300 price tag that need a sub to play online.
I don't think the USD price is so bad but the UK price is a disaster.
For £280 you can get a PS4 or XB1 with like 3 games coming with it and still have money to spare, not just a console on it's own
frankie_baby
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Launching in march means if it does bomb they have plenty of time for a panic mode turn around
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