Betting time: Do you think the Switch will be a success?
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onemanasylum
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VR doesn't always use Motion controls and there is a lot more to VR then motion controls.....did you play VR? It is not even remotely comparable to using motion outside of VR
mariachi507
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Eventually. I think it'll have a rocky start with good initial sales then some months of lower sales. We'll see what gets announced at E3 because I think there are some good things to come (and it's been a while since I've been a Nintendo Optimist). If I'm wrong and this is basically the our lineup for the next 1 1/2 years or so then I'd say all the doom and gloom is warranted. It also depends on a pricedrop and when it would hit. Would it be a panic price drop like the 3ds? Who knows.
People do need to remember that this is a Pokemon machine, and that it's a single system that has consolidated Nintendo's console and handheld teams. This has been the dream of many Nintendo fans for a long time. From a first party perspective this should be an awesome console unless Nintendo have just lost their damn minds or something and don't produce as many games. Third party wise, I've never expected it to be able to get the highest tech offerings such as Red Dead 2, hopefully titles such as Marvel vs. Capcom Infinite happen though.
I say it's wait and see, but I'm not seeing the comparisons to the Wii U. That thing was $400 and had a much worse launch lineup than the Switch.
People do need to remember that this is a Pokemon machine, and that it's a single system that has consolidated Nintendo's console and handheld teams. This has been the dream of many Nintendo fans for a long time. From a first party perspective this should be an awesome console unless Nintendo have just lost their damn minds or something and don't produce as many games. Third party wise, I've never expected it to be able to get the highest tech offerings such as Red Dead 2, hopefully titles such as Marvel vs. Capcom Infinite happen though.
I say it's wait and see, but I'm not seeing the comparisons to the Wii U. That thing was $400 and had a much worse launch lineup than the Switch.
I do not see this doing well. 32GB onboard storage (or hidden costs), ports of six year old games, no new titles from launch (which is laughable) until April 28th? And even then, a handful of titles in the summer and fall? I have no idea what Nintendo devs have been doing the last three years but it wasn't working in Wii U games and it wasn't working in Switch games, so maybe they're optimizing code for Apple or Microsoft architecture in a hopeful acquisition.
SporeCrawler
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I dont think the crater situation will be as bad as 3DS. They do have Mario Kart 8, which is still a fan favorite, with battle mode, which was sorely missed in the original, and additional tracks and characters. Also Splatoon being a victim of low sales at this point seems unlikely, at least in Japan. The game has cult status there and a sequel will sell
maybe a dual release? not a rarity
not a rarity. launch window is really broad on other platforms as well.
you completely missed xenoblade 2, fire emblem and Arms but okay
also mario on iphone was downloaded in record numbers. dont know if that counts as a big public
funny how splatoon is now considered a rehash... its only the second game in the series too
dragonyeuw
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I'll say just off price alone, the 3ds-centric crowd isn't going to jump on this. They didn't at $249, and they're not going to at $299 plus $XX for online. I don't expect every single wii U owner, all 12 million of us, to jump on-board. So without very strong first year sales, I see developers abandoning ship like they did with Wii U. Based off what has been shown, I'm fine with grabbing Zelda for my Wii U and waiting it out till Mario comes out, which would provide a fair amount of time to see what course the system appears to be on. I was looking forward to stuff like Mario Kart, Smash and Splatoon online, but I'm not paying for online play. I stopped that 3 years ago with both Sony and MS.
It's going to be very interesting seeing how things develop.
It's going to be very interesting seeing how things develop.
Speedwagon
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It will be successful
Movalpolos
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Add $60 games to that as well.
It'll start off decently, taper off a bit and then, unlike the Wii U, course correct itself to stability is my guess. The price is the main thing holding it back from being as much of a must-buy as people would expect it to be, but I highly doubt it will be the abject failure people are assuming of it.
Ray Wonder
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Absolutely, I think people underestimate the fact that you can take a multiplayer device with you anywhere, plop it down, and get to business with a friend. I think it'll surprise with how successful it is.
Yekshemesh
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It'll do N64 numbers. Nintendo's mobile endeavors however will be highly successful and save the company from going 3rd party.
HeartlessNobody213
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After a $100 price drop and a new Pokémon game maybe. Still I think it will sell more than the Wii U. Probably 30-35 million to the Wii U's 14-15 million
As scary as it is, this thing feels like Nintendo were taken completely off guard by the Scorpio and PS4 Pro, and found out too late that they had painted themselves into the exact same corner as before. So they knew straight off the bat they had another Wii U on their hands but were too far along to stop it.
So essentially they have thrown the Switch out the door with a new Zelda and a batshit motion control gimmick mini game collection with the wing and a prayer hope that those will be enough to loop enough people in to build any sort of momentum.
The price did them out of any chance of that, which is a pretty embarrassing display of hubris. If nothing else, they should have foreseen the inevitable death of the dedicated handheld market and ran with the home (secondary) console approach.
So essentially they have thrown the Switch out the door with a new Zelda and a batshit motion control gimmick mini game collection with the wing and a prayer hope that those will be enough to loop enough people in to build any sort of momentum.
The price did them out of any chance of that, which is a pretty embarrassing display of hubris. If nothing else, they should have foreseen the inevitable death of the dedicated handheld market and ran with the home (secondary) console approach.
between 30-50 millions.
But it will have a rough start. Price is too high. But I believe it will have two price cuts in the next 18 months (one before fall and another during/after 2018's E3). Then with all Nintendo games plus the portable games that will launch for it, it will do fine.
But it could be much better if it were more powerful (and for this price IT HAD TO BE), then it could get downgraded ports of the PS4 games, which would definetely help (some people would prefer the portable version of a game if they both played the same and just had worst graphics). This is the main problem of the console.
But it will have a rough start. Price is too high. But I believe it will have two price cuts in the next 18 months (one before fall and another during/after 2018's E3). Then with all Nintendo games plus the portable games that will launch for it, it will do fine.
But it could be much better if it were more powerful (and for this price IT HAD TO BE), then it could get downgraded ports of the PS4 games, which would definetely help (some people would prefer the portable version of a game if they both played the same and just had worst graphics). This is the main problem of the console.
No.
As a home console it is severely limited by its tablet architecture. Everything has to fit into the screen, so battery considerations, no space for a harddrive or disc drive, tiny controllers, etc.
The games are same ol', same ol'. You love Mario, Mario Kart, Splatoon, Zelda, and the like it'll be fine for you, though expect long gaps in between releases. But I don't see it growing the market like the Wii did.
As a home console it is severely limited by its tablet architecture. Everything has to fit into the screen, so battery considerations, no space for a harddrive or disc drive, tiny controllers, etc.
The games are same ol', same ol'. You love Mario, Mario Kart, Splatoon, Zelda, and the like it'll be fine for you, though expect long gaps in between releases. But I don't see it growing the market like the Wii did.
entremet
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Yeah. This are my thoughts. Way too much black and white thinking going on here.
Prithee Be Careful
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As far behind the curve as it already is, I sincerely hope not.
WhiteWaterM00se
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I'm honestly anticipating, that FIFA, nba maybe even Skyrim will be cancelled for it.
superNESjoe
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Based on that presentation and what little games we know are coming in 2017, I think it's gonna be somewhere between Wii U and 3DS. I desperately want to be wrong, and I am buying one (but I also bought a Wii U at launch).
I think they dropped the ball insanely hard on that presentation after such an astounding reveal late last year. The price on the controllers and accessories is outrageous. They're pricing out an entire market of people that made the Wii such a success. Families aren't gonna look at this thing and drop $500 to play some Mario Kart.
1, 2, Switch misses the entire point of why Wii Sports was a blockbuster hit. Wii Sports needed zero explanation to play, it was 100% intuitive. There is no way you don't bring this game somewhere and have to sit and explain to each person how it works, how you don't look at the screen, what you're supposed to do, etc. It won't be intuitive.
The launch lineup is insanely weak. They basically have Zelda and that's about it. Skyrim isn't even coming out til the Fall? Like...what the hell are these people thinking?
It's pretty damn concerning.
I think they dropped the ball insanely hard on that presentation after such an astounding reveal late last year. The price on the controllers and accessories is outrageous. They're pricing out an entire market of people that made the Wii such a success. Families aren't gonna look at this thing and drop $500 to play some Mario Kart.
1, 2, Switch misses the entire point of why Wii Sports was a blockbuster hit. Wii Sports needed zero explanation to play, it was 100% intuitive. There is no way you don't bring this game somewhere and have to sit and explain to each person how it works, how you don't look at the screen, what you're supposed to do, etc. It won't be intuitive.
The launch lineup is insanely weak. They basically have Zelda and that's about it. Skyrim isn't even coming out til the Fall? Like...what the hell are these people thinking?
It's pretty damn concerning.
ManUnkindH
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No, but personally I'll buy for Mario and Zelda. Hopefully a new Donkey Kong will rise.
God Dayumm
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I predict it will have a price cut then become successful like the 3DS. Do not expect Wii numbers at all
Makoto-Yuki
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My Ps4 slim cost £230 and came with Overwatch + Ratchet and Clank. I could buy another game and that'd take me to about £280. Of course you wouldn't buy a Switch with no games because that'd just be silly so really you'll pay about £310! So what do you do? A PS4 with 4 games or a Switch with 1 game?
Not a success I think. It's got some of the same failings as the WiiU in that it feels like a compromised vision. A pure WiiU concept dockable portable
console, without joy cons cost, focused toward performance/price and the only special feature the portability would make sense OR a pure Wii u successor focusing on the joy one and a standard console again maximised for price/performance but without the concessions required for the tablet would make sense. The compromise between the two feels uneasy.
console, without joy cons cost, focused toward performance/price and the only special feature the portability would make sense OR a pure Wii u successor focusing on the joy one and a standard console again maximised for price/performance but without the concessions required for the tablet would make sense. The compromise between the two feels uneasy.
Ollie Pooch
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Charging for online and requiring a smartphone app to use it says it all.
This is actually right on point.
Even outside of UK the price is really bad in Europe, seriously. In Italy it is 330 (lol), nonsense.
I wonder when this antra will end
DarkLordMalik
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No chance.
First it has a steep price compared to the hardware and then we also have to take into consideration cost of games, accessories and memory.
It is DOA baring a miracle.
First it has a steep price compared to the hardware and then we also have to take into consideration cost of games, accessories and memory.
It is DOA baring a miracle.
TunaMarshmallow
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These full-body meltdowns bring me back to NeoGAF year after year. I love it.
By last night at 10pm, the this place was anticipating a $250 launch with a bundled game, 128GB of onboard storage, a half-dozen Nintendo-produced retail launches (including a Pokémon game that would cannibalize tens millions of dollars in remaining 3DS sales), $40 controllers, and massive third-party support.
I love it.
By last night at 10pm, the this place was anticipating a $250 launch with a bundled game, 128GB of onboard storage, a half-dozen Nintendo-produced retail launches (including a Pokémon game that would cannibalize tens millions of dollars in remaining 3DS sales), $40 controllers, and massive third-party support.
I love it.
The X1 in nvidia's console is 1TF@1ghz.
The switch is rumored to run at ~300MHZ in portable mode. so ~300Gflops.
The K1 is ~300Gflops as well. It is used in the NVIDIA tablet which sells for 200$.
Edit: Also, even if you look at it as a home console. The X1 console is 200$ as well. Running at 1Ghz, the switch is rumored to run at 700Mhz.
From my perspective,
This thing is out hunting Nintendo whales, so that's pretty insulting. And trying to position itself as a premium proposition.That intentional accessory price gouging is horrible, paid online is horrible.
Scared.
Arms looks cool, just so scorned by that pay online really
This thing is out hunting Nintendo whales, so that's pretty insulting. And trying to position itself as a premium proposition.That intentional accessory price gouging is horrible, paid online is horrible.
Scared.
Arms looks cool, just so scorned by that pay online really
The Hermit
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Lol
This is a Wii 2.0, but Nintendo is counting on the lightning hiting twice.
I can't see that happening.
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