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Blue Beetle | Official Trailer
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FunkMiller
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Never bettered. Never going to be.
kondorBonk
Member
Meh, a campy 1940s version of the character would be fun and different. Making everything exist in our world is a massive crutch to these movies thanks to them needing to be connected.
I can say the same about the cool blimps/gothic alt reality Tim Burton Gotham or the art deco idealized Metropolis. New York or L.A. are a lot less creative.
Give me a bat computer which only shows newspaper clippings and telephone booths while still having retro robotics somehow still allowed to exist.
I can say the same about the cool blimps/gothic alt reality Tim Burton Gotham or the art deco idealized Metropolis. New York or L.A. are a lot less creative.
Give me a bat computer which only shows newspaper clippings and telephone booths while still having retro robotics somehow still allowed to exist.
Major downside to that vision is the inability to film in real world locations. So many of those early DC films had an echoey set feel to them, Nolan really pulled it all into a more firm ground.
Though now that we are going back full circle in to 100% digitized backgrounds with The Volume I guess it doesn't matter. I agree with you that a somewhat surreal "comic book" feel with a Dick Tracy blend of noir, modern tech, and "alt tech" can REALLY sell a world visually, but yeah, not every character fits there.
kondorBonk
Member
Oh I get it and I think you and I are on the same page. It's certainly the easier way out and much easier to have a shared universe keeping things consistent. Growing up, one of my main distinctions between Marvel and DC was how Marvel had real world locations. It had a different "flavor". Then you have the Ultimate run which redesigned everything as "What if this DID work in the real world".
And that's fantastic! I'm also stoked we also got to see how a real world batman would work with Nolan but I also liked the weird alt world reality that Bruce Tim and Tim Burton and comic artists like Drawne Cooke kind of kept going. I'd love to see those reimagined and it really does come more so down to budget for more elaborate sets.
From a story telling and aesthetic standpoint it would help give D.C. its own unique spin that kinda already existed in the older comics. That's one fun thing about comics, you dont go see too many issues/archs without a new artist given their vision. Allow the world/aesthetics to change between projects.
It doesn't fit each character but I think that's also fine? I'm not pushing for any shared universe. I'd much rather leave that to fizzle out for a bit. I think that's the true driving force behind any fatique and "sameness". And if you have to make a "Justice League" movie, have fun and don't use the "real /current world" as a crutch and do something fun like "New Frontier".
Soodanim
Member
These last few posts have made me ask myself the question: What would I rather watch, any MCU movie it Tim Burton's Batman? The answer is Batman every time.
I really don't get the fascination with making comic book movies take place in the real world. The real world is boring, that's why we make things up. I get that as a local kid in NY the idea that a superhero was swinging round your neighbourhood saving people was a great one, and that's still great now. But when you're gone so far as aliens and dimensions and whatnot, tying it back to real world locations seems redundant.
I really don't get the fascination with making comic book movies take place in the real world. The real world is boring, that's why we make things up. I get that as a local kid in NY the idea that a superhero was swinging round your neighbourhood saving people was a great one, and that's still great now. But when you're gone so far as aliens and dimensions and whatnot, tying it back to real world locations seems redundant.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
I think that's what they're going for for the Justice League movie... New Frontier.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
Oh geez.
Ulysses 31
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Snyderbots are in shambles over a single tweet
I doubt anyone is sweating seeing this movie. It’s a niche piece of junk. Snyder is just being magnanimous
chromhound
Member
For the Latinx
Dr. Samuel Hayden
Member
Some advice for WB/DC - maybe the next time you crank out a generic capeshit film that's virtually indistinguishable from all the rest, you shouldn't let the people involved go around acting like virtue signalling asswipes.
But who am I kidding, this is Hollywood, and they'd rather burn themselves to the ground than learn any lessons.
But who am I kidding, this is Hollywood, and they'd rather burn themselves to the ground than learn any lessons.
Dice
Pokémon Parentage Conspiracy Theorist
It's not just the people it's everything about the production and writing as well. Only truly good things DC has done since TDK were Wonder Woman 1 and The Batman. Everything else ranged from generally forgettable humor shlock (Birds of Prey, Suicide Squad, Aquaman) to unforgettable nightmare (everything Snyder) and their shows on Max and new comics are no better. The Flash is probably the worst film I've ever seen in my life and I only made it through suffering together with 20 friends. I tried checking out the new Shazam on Max and quit after 10 minutes. I have no patience for DC garbage anymore. They're all trying to make some point about how ironic and yet progressive they are rather than making a compelling story. I recently watched 1989 Batman and Returns and was just stunned at the quality difference, and those were even intended as a campy movie as well!
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Yoda
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This movie was 100% developed from when he took over?And this is the first hero of the new DCU by Gunn
FunkMiller
Member
Nobody actually believed that. Just like nobody believed that The Flash was the best comic book movie ever.
That stupid Batman is a fascist line is still in the film apparently, which was a direct reference to the Batfleck version.
The stank of the DCEU is still very strong. And Aquaturd 2 is yet to be released. Give it two years and things will be different. No reason Superman Legacy won‘t do well alongside The Batman 2 and Joker 2.
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FunkMiller
Member
Wokeness has had nothing to do with the DCEU’s failure.
Dice
Pokémon Parentage Conspiracy Theorist
I would never use that word. I hate that word and the entire mentality around using it. My criticism is not based on those things but on production quality and focus of intent in writing.
FunkMiller
Member
You're complaining about how the writers being progressive is an issue. It's not. Blue Beetle ain't failing because of its Latino representation, and no other DCEU movies have failed because they were 'progressive' either.
They've failed because they are DCEU movies, at a time when audiences are turning away from any superhero stuff that isn't very good, and boy, the DCEU has never been good.
KyoZz
Tag, you're it.
Sorry but Blue Beetle is woke as fuck.
Anyway I'm assuming you are talking about Snyder movies, like BvS. Here is a few things:
But maybe you know better than him? Another few things:
BvS is a 7.2 on IMDB
Man of Steel is at 7.1
ZSJL is at 7.9.
How is that bad? You know what's killed the DCEU? Critics and bloggers slaying BvS at release and the GA just following the trend. These movie were profitable and the response to ZSJL shows that people were accepting it's more "dark and gritty" tone.
And if you count inflation... oh damn no DC movie post 2017 come close to what Zack did. So all in one, YOU think it's bad.
And now we are stuck with a clown who said he didn't want to direct a Superman movie because he is boring... I would exchange every movies post BvS to ONE movie with Zack Snyder (like... IDK, JL II WITH FREAKIN DARKSEID? but real DC fazns don't want to see this, they want a Marvel like take on Superman right...)
Also I'm sorry (not really) but The Batman was shit. Yes it's beautiful but beyond that it's ridiculous. I'm 100% sure that the Batfleck movie would be a lot better (as I trust Jay Oliva)
I can't tell you the % but I can tell you Gunn put his nose in this movie, even giving notes (per his own post on Insta)
diffusionx
Gold Member
This is probably the wrong place to ask this, but did any Latino person actually become excited for this movie because of it's "LATINX/LATINE REPRESENTATION" (saw both on IGN). I am Puerto Rican and like, lmao. Who cares about this stuff. I feel like it is just shitlibs in the management of these companies checking off boxes. It's so stupid.
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diffusionx
Gold Member
BTW: every time I see "Latine" my brain sees "latrine"
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
I think latinx has finally been dropped as it never took off no matter how much they pushed it.
Fake
Member
Wtf lol
No. Brazillian hate to be called latine. We just call each other brazillian or BR.
I not even gonna mention 'latinex' because in our culture we reject those invented words from weird folks.
In fact, I not even like to be called brazillian. We live in Rio de Janeiro and we like to be called cariocas because we are very proud of Rio de Janeiro. Nobody here use the term latino.
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Dice
Pokémon Parentage Conspiracy Theorist
I didn’t say that. I said they make their media about flaunting their mentality RATHER THAN making a good story. Thousands of things are progressive and make it naturally existing on an already quality product. I wouldn’t want to be “represented” on a piece of shit that thinks representation in and of itself is what makes something good or not. That is unfortunately how DC has been acting.
On the flip side, it’s no different from that new Tim Allen show that thinks comedy is having his characters unnaturally spewing the prescribed conservative interpretations of everything. Likewise and equal in DC (and hence why I named it in equality) is their characters always needing to flaunt their sense of irony, like they’re all desperate to be Deadpool or something. Nobody is like that! Act normal!
FWIW my wife is a Latina and her family is down to see it.
Spyxos
Member
They originally produced the film for HBO Max. I don't understand why they changed their minds and brought it to theaters. Only a flop was to be expected.
Marvel14
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DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Watching it this weekend... unfortunately at an AMC theater. *sigh*
Heimdall_Xtreme
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DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
And that is good or bad thing?
I HATE AMC theaters! The closed caption device is seated in the cup tray and it's hard to read that AND watch the screen. I have to keep looking down.
Regal has a head mounted HUD... Much easier to see and read captions AND watch the movie. Like I'm at home reading captions while watching the TV. MUCH better!
Plus the variety of screens is more fun than AMC
Soltype
Member
How long have they had closed captioning in movie theaters?, I never knew this was a thing.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
The close caption devices have been a thing for well over a decade. I first used one when I still lived in Mississippi almost 17 years ago
Soltype
Member
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
You seriously didn't know that? You've never seen any deaf people in a theater?
wondermega
Member
I never have and never thought about it either. To be fair, I usually sit down during the previews when the room is already dark & just looking for my seat. I feel like there generally isn't any extremely visible signage anywhere "if you need a CC device, please see an usher" or anything along those lines. But again I never think to look for that stuff and so never notice it, if it is there..
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
You'd go to the front desk in the lobby, usually. Or where the ticket booth is. Depends on the theater.
The ones majority of theaters use look like this ...
The ones I prefer seem to only be at Regal Cinemas theaters. You can fit them over your glasses, too. They work great!
SkylineRKR
Member
Its horrible.
Its first of all entirely predictable. Its another origin story so nothing happens for the first half. The family is annoying as fuck, and how do they operate technology like that out of the blue? Blue Beetle himself barely does anything. Sarandon goes for the Razzie I reckon. Bad.
Its first of all entirely predictable. Its another origin story so nothing happens for the first half. The family is annoying as fuck, and how do they operate technology like that out of the blue? Blue Beetle himself barely does anything. Sarandon goes for the Razzie I reckon. Bad.
Just saw it. It is a hispanic ass hispanic film, warts and all. SOOOOO much reminds me of my wifes family, they all ended up bailed on me so I went with my son and his friends but they would have had a ball with it. Not the best kids film, but they seemed to enjoy most of it. Like a lot of DC films, it is PACKED with plot but most are not well developed. As an immigrant story I have serious issues with it. And who THE FUCK gets a "pre-law" degree and then just......graduates with no plan? And Uncle George is bombing around in his macked out to the tits 70K "Taco" tacoma yet his brother, who I guess has been supporting him FOR FOURTY FUCKING YEARS loses his garage over a heart attack? They live in the same house for 20+ years but its a RENTAL? AND they "are gonna rebuild it" in the end? The FUCK, who writes this shit? The property owner has that responsibility, not the renters! And the sister, ugh, what a horrible and miserable human.
Anyway, then it stops preaching and sticks to human values and comedy, it worked quite well. I loved grannie, though the ages of all these characters with their backstories is a bit sus. The whole Blue Beetle superhero in the past thing is as weird and awkward here as it was in Ant-man. I wish they had confidence in the lead to focus just on him and his connection to the scarab. So instead of Dragonball Z style "rage is the source of my power" it could have been more about accepting the symbiosis or not. I'm not well versed in the BB backstory or if any of those powers were originally his, they feel more Green Lanterny to be honest. I did like that they spent the time setting Jaime up for his actions leading to getting the scarab, it wasn't just puppy love, a meet cute, or some stalker thing.
But I LOVE LOVE LOVED the nod to Maximillian from "The Black Hole" when the bad guy hits his final form and he flourishes those spinny hand blades. KUDOS to the design team or whoever got that in. And Jaime being all "I won't kill, I won't kill" while his family is GLEEFULLY murdering mooks....I just don't know how to unpack that level of discourse (somewhat justified I suppose). Funny to see how far DC has come from Suicide Squad 1 where they had to create demons or whatever to cover the killing of humans to the wholesale SLAUGHTER of them in Black Adam, BB, SS2, etc. Personally, I'm not really cool with that even if the hero is exempt.
Anyway, then it stops preaching and sticks to human values and comedy, it worked quite well. I loved grannie, though the ages of all these characters with their backstories is a bit sus. The whole Blue Beetle superhero in the past thing is as weird and awkward here as it was in Ant-man. I wish they had confidence in the lead to focus just on him and his connection to the scarab. So instead of Dragonball Z style "rage is the source of my power" it could have been more about accepting the symbiosis or not. I'm not well versed in the BB backstory or if any of those powers were originally his, they feel more Green Lanterny to be honest. I did like that they spent the time setting Jaime up for his actions leading to getting the scarab, it wasn't just puppy love, a meet cute, or some stalker thing.
But I LOVE LOVE LOVED the nod to Maximillian from "The Black Hole" when the bad guy hits his final form and he flourishes those spinny hand blades. KUDOS to the design team or whoever got that in. And Jaime being all "I won't kill, I won't kill" while his family is GLEEFULLY murdering mooks....I just don't know how to unpack that level of discourse (somewhat justified I suppose). Funny to see how far DC has come from Suicide Squad 1 where they had to create demons or whatever to cover the killing of humans to the wholesale SLAUGHTER of them in Black Adam, BB, SS2, etc. Personally, I'm not really cool with that even if the hero is exempt.
Doom85
Member
They were just staying true to the comics with the legacy aspect. Dan Garrett (I was shocked they did mention him in the movie, he tends to be the least well liked BB as Ted and Jaime are more developed characters) was the first, then Ted Kord, then Jaime Reyes. Same with Ant-man, Hank was first then Scott. It is worth noting that Dan and Jaime stand out as they were actually accepted by the scarab, Ted was not and had to settle for making technology using it.
With BB, it was especially important to at least establish Ted since he and Booster Gold are good friends so I imagine they’re setting up to bring in Ted when they do the Booster Gold TV series, Jaime might even play a supporting role.
Yeah, I admit the sister and uncle annoyed me, the latter at least tried to offer Jaime some good advice in the second half. But like the sister getting them both fired was so frustrating, like maybe we were supposed to assume the employee bathroom was a disgusting outhouse or something, but they should have showed what it looked like, instead it just seems she just screwed him over because she needed a pristine looking bathroom. And then later when she’s all, “you went out to get us jobs, and all you brought back was a burger?”, I was like, “bruh, he only had to go get you jobs because you fucked up!”
I am surprised the film had zero hints or setup towards the Reach, the alien creators of the scarab and who are deadly threats to the universe as a whole. Aside from establishing the scarab is not of Earth, I was expecting the characters to find notes from Ted that would hint he had discovered something about them or something like that. In Season 2 of Young Justice, they were pretty intense villains IIRC, and I loved Jaime and Bart’s (Kid Flash) friendship that built over the season.
Yeah, I'm not up on BB but it makes sense. The script was soooooooo packed, they just ran out of time.
What was the deal with the Black Panther style "dead visitation" aspect? I almost thought the scarab had a divine origin given he
but maybe it was just for the feels. But those two scenes hit the hardest for me and I wanted more of that stuff. My son is comparing the end with the 'hood coming out with Encanto. I didn't think of it but yeah, pretty similar 
That brazilian chick, whew. Kinda low on expressions but if she lays off botox for a few months I think she might be one to watch.
What was the deal with the Black Panther style "dead visitation" aspect? I almost thought the scarab had a divine origin given he
sees his dad and carapace sees his mom
That brazilian chick, whew. Kinda low on expressions but if she lays off botox for a few months I think she might be one to watch.
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