sindbadthesailor
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The fact that the apologists actually think this makes for a convincing argument to support the notion that Israel is "humanitarian" in their efforts really does say it all.
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Breaking: Israel launches Operation Protective Edge against Hamas in Gaza
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The fact that the apologists actually think this makes for a convincing argument to support the notion that Israel is "humanitarian" in their efforts really does say it all.
Another victim of Israel's war machine.
...I feel sick even quoting that, but I felt like the juxtaposition needed to be made. Those who talk about "the unavoidable reality of war" seem to forget they're talking about people.
Hopefully his family is alright.
JordanN
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I'm blaming Hamas for taking advantage of the Palestinians by taking refuge in the same areas they do. Doesn't mean all civilians die this way (again, I admit there are trigger happy idiots in every army) but Hamas created this situation where the chance of civilian casualties, dramatically increases.
Dunno. Nor do I think Israel should risk it. A simple demilitarization of the Palestinian Authority would keep everyone happy. No weapons means no extremists can overthrow a government.
Are you intentionally being ignorant?
Maybe you should read what war is. Or avoid this thread altogether if you can't handle it.
I think some of you are trying to put me in a position of praising war or something. I'm sorry to tell you it's not working. I'm only taking the rational outlook on life.
sindbadthesailor
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At this point, this just sounds horribly inhumane. Given the population density, anywhere Hamas might go, there will be civilians.
But it's pretty clear the blame the victim mentality is too entrenched here to evolve into something less monstrous.
Maninthemirror
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How many more Israel. Bolded are young children, Infants and Elderly
There is nothing unavoidable about the current attack on Gaza.
You trivialize the deaths of over 200 people as "collateral" in an attack that won't accomplish shit.
theignoramus
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No, they do not need to bend over backwards at every Israeli demand to get their inalienable fucking rights. The only thing they need to do is sign a peace treaty with Israel and perhaps agree to a small contingent of NATO troops to monitor the borders.
archnemesis
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It will stop the rockets temporarily.
JordanN
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How long would they stay there and how effective would it be?
There are plenty of UN soldiers in Africa but lots of bad things still take place.
Well it gives the IDF some live moving target practice I suppose. Too bad they've "only managed to kill 200 people and counting. They're "not very efficient" after all.
I mean the kids especially are cheating since they're smaller than your average target and thus harder to hit
theignoramus
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I didnt say UN soldiers. I said NATO soldiers, who, unlike UN soldiers, will act decisively should the situation call for it. It's not an ideal situation. Lord knows, the Palestinians shouldnt have to deal with more foreign troops on their soil, but since Israel doesnt trust the UN to keep the peace, a NATO contingent, commanded by a US general, is a reasonable alternative.
And the fact of the matter is, NATO troops would be less likely to commit the kind of rampant abuses the IDF is responsible for in the West Bank.
Dude Abides
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These periodic outbursts of violence aren't intended to end the violence from Hamas or Islamic Jihad or whoever once and for all. They're intended to "mow the grass." As long as the violence is at a low level, there is minimal pressure for a final settlement and colonization of the West Bank can continue.
Honest question are you a teenager that looks at headlines and nothing else?
JordanN
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You're twisting my words and worst off, adding news ones too.
I never claimed collateral or wanted to trivialize anything. There's been more trivialization being flung from the other side than not (i.e, the countless nazi/warsaw ghetto/concentration camp comparisons mentioned in this thread).
I also have no idea what you mean by "There is nothing unavoidable about the current attack on Gaza.". I can't make sense if this is a statement about war or not.
Another victim of Israel's war machine.
Clearly an agent of Hamas.
The sad thing is that I know that this will change nothing of the opinion that this kids death was justified because of reasons.
JordanN
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Yeah, I think I'm just about bored now. Whitechocolatekrispies was right. Far too many posts that attack Israel for no reasons.
This is the stuff that has me bored/slightly angered. I'm being made a villain for other users enjoyment. If someone else takes over, good luck.
I said civilians die in war and you responded like you had no idea what it was and you horribly quoted it out of context.
This is the stuff that has me bored/slightly angered. I'm being made a villain for other users enjoyment. If someone else takes over, good luck.
Gemüsepizza
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IDF has killed 280 people. "No reasons."
Israel positions itself as the shining light in the middle east then excuses itself by suggesting "at least we're better than these guys" If Israel wants to be taken seriously as the only true democracy in the region it HAS TO hold itself to a higher standard than the countries around it. It cannot point at Syria and say "at least we're not that" while maintaining a moral high ground. If those are the conditions required to think that Israel is acting in a moral and responsible manner then yes, for a middle eastern dictatorship Israel is doing quite well. If you Israel on the standards of a modern democracy, however, then it is failing.
Unknown Soldier
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The term you are looking for is 'ethnic cleansing'.
You're fine. If anyone is getting on your case it's because we all have ruffled feathers over this. Don't take it personally.
When somebody can't tell the difference between trivialization and analogical reasoning yet wilfully trivialises human life without a second thought you know you're just dealing with a scripted mouthpiece.
And we all know what the final piece of the script is; when all else fails play the victim and, preferably, start labelling any opposition as anti israeli or anti semitic
Which he sorta has started doing already
JordanN
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Yeah see, this is the other one. You're assuming I said anything praising the IDF for killing or "them looking better than other genocidals". It's not.
I'm pointing out the weapons Israel have are far more dangerous than any ak-47. Yet something is getting in the way of all these deaths if Israel acted without zero restraint.
If someone quotes this and says "nah, you really want dead Palestinians" then I truly quit.
Great post.
It will make politicians look tough in the eyes of the electorate, thus making them stay in power and enjoy the finer things in life.
So it does a lot actually.
I suggest you start reading some Norman Finkelstein, his language can be a bit crude but his is bullet proof in historical analysis.
zer0blivion
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Note: The following is not about this particular poster, but behavior engaged in by many posters, in many threads. Sorry Shinobi.
This is not helpful. Responding to questions and assertions with image macros in a serious conversation -- and I think you'll agree this should be a serious conversation -- especially when the poster has already been engaged by others in a serious manner, just pads the thread and wastes everyone's time. If you have a response, respond. If you don't, then keep it to yourself.
It would be nice not to have to scroll through fifteen of the same quote, with varying gifs and what the fucks. It also contributes to posters feeling dog piled, without producing anything of value for the discussion. It's not good for discussion, and I encourage you not to do it further in serious threads.
Nofunallowed.jpg (to save everyone the trouble)
Actually you will find examples of it in this thread (or the old one) from the same people who are shitting on Israel.
Posts like this would carry more weight if this entire go around was not predicated on a few things:
1) A blatantly fabricated pretext by Israel to use as justification to aggravate Palestine
There is zero proof that those three kids where interacted with Hamas in any way. No one, not even the US state department, says that there is no evidence of this.
2. Hamas formed a Unity Government with the Palestinian Authority on the terms of the US and EU, which cornered the Israeli government.
Despite the fact that the unity government would weaken the influence of Hamas, the Israeli government tried to undermine this at every turn. Including trying to demand the the US and EU have no dialogue with it. Can you argue otherwise?
3. Israel does not want peace.
zer0blivion
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This was posted earlier in the thread. It's pretty good.
American Radical - The Trials of Norman Finkelstein: http://youtu.be/K8qDpg_x49Y
Kill Your Masters
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Heh, working in shifts it seems.
Anyway, I have yet to read a good argument in this thread why a disarmed Gaza is a good idea apart from driving them out of their 'land' aka the dog shelter that Istael built for them much easier, like in the West Bank.
West Bank Palestinian's are getting shafted for playing nice, what proof is there Israel will suddenly treat those people in Gaza after Hamas is gone (and the west bank) nice as they just see them as dogs that need to be put away?
Hamas is just an apology for crowd control, not to mention a direct result of Israels policies towarda 'lesser humans'(as they obviously see them)
Just makes me sad to have to one day say 'told ya' when these people either have to ultimately leave their homes (if allowed) or go extinct.
http://www.theonion.com/articles/palestinians-prepare-for-massive-ground-invasion,36495/
Now I feel sad for laughing.
Now I feel sad for laughing.
Thanks. I'll give it a watch when I have free time.
If Israel is going to continue to oppress, blockade, and illegally take over Palestinian land, what choice do the Palestinians have other than fighting back? Should they lay down and let the steam rolling continue?
It's cause they don't care.
There's so much hate that if a some civilians are killed in a targeted strike, what does it matter?
TheStruggler
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someone gets it
This is it. By law the occupied have the right to defend and resist. In this instance Palestinians are the ones defending themselves. People tend to forget that the way the narrative has been skewed and twisted.
Serious answer? Palestinian and Haredi (Fundamentalist Jews) birthrates have normalized in the last couple of years. It's still a bit above the secular birthrate but as of now there shouldn't be any foreseeable demographic changes.
freakzilla149
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This is something people don't seem to get. Regardless of Hamas' tactics, or who started the latest round of violence.
This is the state of things, Israel is the aggressor, they are the invaders, they are the oppressors. If Palestinians simply stay quiet they will either be driven out or assimilated into Israel.
This is the really the crux of the whole issue, at least from the side of the Israeli extremists. Give Palestinians their own state, let the refuges come back, and very quickly you'd have an Arab majority in the land of Israel.
So NBC made the right choice by reversing the stupid decision to pull him out in the first place.
Ayman Mohyeldin was a reporter that witnessed the murder of those 4 children on that beach. His removal from Gaza by NBC sparked protests on social media as well as other News channels reporting on the NBC decision.
Here is a link to the story he wrote: http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/mi...raeli-strike-gaza-kills-four-children-n157301
Huh? Giving them their own state avoids an arab majority. When people talk of a "Two State solution" they don't mean like American states. They mean a country called Palestine existing next to the country of Israel.
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