Killjoy-NL
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"I remember this game from back when gaming as a whole was niche, so does everybody else"
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"BuNgIe iS a ShElL oF iTs FoRmEr SeLf!"
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Guilty_AI
Member
"This guy likes this old game, must be just nostalgia!"
btw played this for the first time last year and game has been available for free for years now
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Thanks. I take my role as gaming teacher, mentor, philosopher, prognosticator very seriously. The people shouldn't be given up on.
Killjoy-NL
Member
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KyoZz
Tag, you're it.
Why can't you just take the L and move on? Like "oh, my bad I did not knew this". And suddenly you could have looked like a nice guy. But no, you want to be right. Sorry but not this time (again, I remember you don't worry).
You don't know Marathon. That's ok, I didn't too a few years ago but I took time to inform myself and now I know why it is very respected among players. Not a big deal, you should do the same and stop being condescending with other.
This is Doom. You know Doom right? We could say it's the father of many, many FPS right? That it opened the way to gaming as we know it right? It is a vey, VERY respected IP right? And yet:
Of course it's not gonna sell 100K units in a week. This doesn't take away from what they've done for video games in general.
The sad part is I'm sure you believe in this.
BlackTron
Member
Do we really need to wait that long?
Killjoy-NL
Member
That was my point. Most people didn't.
KyoZz
Tag, you're it.
Yeah let's ignore the rest of my message. The point is you don't know the game, it's ok, yet it doesn't make this game less important or famous. And please respond to those Doom player count? Must be a forgotten game right?
Please go ahead and keep making a fool of yourself.
Aguero9320
Member
Kind of want to try this now it's done (have never played it) - you can solo it, right? Problem I have is I have no idea where to start at this point (same as with World of Warcraft and Elder Scrolls online) - any beginner's guide worth checking out? I have some time as I still have a long way to go in Starfield...
Killjoy-NL
Member
The bolded part that I quoted already made your entire post irrelevant in relation to my original reaction about most people not knowing about the Marathon franchise.
Even more so since the guy stated that the game has been free for years and he didn't even play it for the first time until last year, which would be like 20 years post-release.
And he likely didn't even know about it until Bungie announced Marathon for PS5, like most of us.
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Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
We all believe it. Whether we admit it publicly is another story.
Btw,
Killjoy-NL
is absolutely correct. The Marathon games were never big sellers and they released eons ago. The idea that a meaningful percentage of modern gamers is somehow going to rail against the franchise becoming GAAS is pure fantasy. Nobody under the age of 40 has strong feelings about the Marathon name.
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Guilty_AI
Member
That release is from a month ago my silly little man.
This is the original free release that has been up for decades:
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Killjoy-NL
Member
Talking about the franchise, my dude.
People are acting like it's already going to be a disaster because they are going to do something other than what the original games were, when almost nobody even knew the franchise existed or even played any of the games.
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Guilty_AI
Member
No, you're using a month old steam release as reference for a freeware from 2005.
KyoZz
Tag, you're it.
So what about Doom which is pushing lower numbers, are you gonna pretend it's an unknown game? Again you are ignoring the rest of the post.
Also he didn't say that the game was currently popular with thousands of players. He said it was very influential and brought a lot to the FPS genre. Which is true, rather you like it or not.
Anyone saying Marathon is an unknown game that's not important is just uneducated. It's fine, as long as you don't call out other people who try to teach you.
Killjoy-NL
Member
Even so, most people don't know it exists.
So whatever changes Bungie make to the game, it'll be like releasing an entirely new IP.
Guilty_AI
Member
No, you didn't know it existed.
It may, it may not. Using that name at all for this however already starts them on the wrong foot.
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Killjoy-NL
Member
Doom is a well-known franchise, Marathon isn't.
Apples and oranges.
I never said Marathon was unimportant though. Might have confused me with someone else.
cash_longfellow
Member
Imagine trying to make this point with a fucking DLC drop of a game that’s old as dirt and free to play.
cash_longfellow
Member
Bro, get tf out of here with this. You are whole-heartedly being a dick, and it’s exactly what this thread is. Look at the way you wrote your title. Baiting people in, then when they disagree with you, you try to spin that shit on them. Tool.
KyoZz
Tag, you're it.
You don't know the IP, that's the difference but they were both very influencing.
No, look again at what you said. You are trying to say the game was not important because it didn't sold millions. I'm telling you the game was important. Do your research.
Killjoy-NL
Member
I never said otherwise.
Again, at no point did I say anything remotely close to this.
I said most people aren't aware that it is an existing franchise.
Nothing more, nothing less.
cash_longfellow
Member
Stop feeding him. His narcissism isn’t going to allow him to budge on this. Knows damn well it’s “that thread”.
fart town usa
Member
"I OnLy pLaY gAmEs tHaT iM tOLd tO pLaY"
Bumblebeetuna
Member
Im happy those suffering from Destiny addiction get a cool DLC to play but is this supposed to erase the last five or six years? 
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Getting started on the wrong foot with the 12 people who still care about the old Marathon games.
VS
Making a potential Apex Legends size GAAS hit.
Decisions decisions...
The artful mincer
Member
So Fire 10% of your staff then ask for a $50 billion stock bonus?
Ogbert
Gold Member
Like you, I’ve sunk 1000s of hours into D2. Love the game, always will.
I’m just a bit surprised at the level of praise the expansion is getting. The story remains complete nonsense and it’s not even as if anything gets resolved. And the rest is just typical seasonal content.
I think what really shines, as ever, is the gunplay. Prismatic allowing for genuine stasis/solar builds is so much fun. Running the stasis super with gunpowder gamble, vanish and devour is brilliant. But Destiny’s gameplay has always been best in class.
Also, there is some standard Bungie shit. I don’t like the power level nerf. Strikes are a chore now and I dislike having to wait half a season to be able to adequately run baseline content.
And PvP is just silly now.
Ogbert
Gold Member
Destiny is a very odd game and hard to approach.
My advice would be to pick it up and, for the first few hours, simply treat it as a sandbox. Run around, shoot stuff, get used to the different weapon types and see what you enjoy.
There’s a campaign spread across multiple expansions but, as someone who’s played since day one, it’s complete fucking nonsense. I have no idea what’s going on.
You can then run strikers (which are 3 man 10 minute fodder missions), pvp or gambit, which is a hybrid of the two.
As I say, download it and see if you like shooting stuff. If so, stick with it.
AJUMP23
Parody of actual AJUMP23
Bungie could not make Halo Combat evolved again if it wanted to. I think the shooting feels good on their stuff, but they are a GAAS company now not a single player FPS company. They chased the money and that is smart for them as a business, but I do not want anything they are making.
KyoZz
Tag, you're it.
Yes you did, this is you precisely saying this:
"And I'm sure" yeah dude, that's just you assuming stuff. I and other are telling why you are wrong.
It's not because consoles players don't know Marathon that it's not an important IP.
Guilty_AI
Member
Using the Marathon name for something that has nothing to do with Marathon
VS
Creating a new name for a new game for new users
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Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
If you wouldn't tell Leonardo DaVinci what he should have done differently on The Mona Lisa, then you shouldn't attempt to tell Men_in_Boxes what he should have done differently on his piece. An artists vision is his alone.
Plus, let's face it, this thread has been an astounding success without the erroneous suggestions brought forth by the peanut gallery.
Seek humility yourself.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
You're proposing a problem that doesn't exist.
The people at Bungie wanted to use the Marathon IP. No one outside of Bungie cares about the Marathon IP. There's no issue here.
Let them cook. The game succeeds or fails based on its design, not some silly IP discussion.
Bond007
Member
Destiny is one of my fav games of the last generation PS4/PS5. Epic game that disrespects your time put in with all the grinding. Then they add grind to the grind.
But man- when its clicking its clicking.
I been out of Destiny for a while now. Since Beyond Light i think.
Think im gonna skip all the rest and dive into Final Shape. There is alot to catch up on
But man- when its clicking its clicking.
I been out of Destiny for a while now. Since Beyond Light i think.
Think im gonna skip all the rest and dive into Final Shape. There is alot to catch up on
Guilty_AI
Member
Why did they decide to use the Marathon IP if no one cares about it though
?
Killjoy-NL
Member
You're making much more out of it than it was.
200K is an insignificant number especially since we're 30 years past the original releases.
That's all I was saying. At no point did I say anything about the quality or importance of the franchise.
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Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Why did they decide to use the Marathon IP if no one cares about it though
I refer to the post you just responded to.
"The people at Bungie wanted to use the Marathon IP."
It starts and ends there.
Guilty_AI
Member
But why
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KyoZz
Tag, you're it.
No, you just try to downplay what you said because you start to understand it was a stupid comment.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Because they wanted to.But why
ChuckeRearmed
Member
The Final Shape is judged not by the quality but by the feelings of "10 years journey" 
Guilty_AI
Member
What made them want it
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Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
I see the mistake you're making.What made them want it
You think because Bungie liked the IP enough to make a sequel 30 years later, that there's a sizeable audience who also cares enough to cause a ruckus 30 years later.
Your mistake is a simple one.
When a studio puts hundreds of thousands of man hours into making 3 titles in an IP, their level of appreciation is exponentially greater than gamers who spent 17.25 hours on a game or two within the franchise back in 1995.
Marathon was never a big seller and most of the people who did play the franchise 30 years ago are likely out of gaming. Kinda common sense.
Guilty_AI
Member
But this is hardly a sequel, and the current people at bungie are hardly the same ones from 30 years ago who worked on this
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Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
We're getting too lost in the woods now.But this is hardly a sequel, and the current people at bungie are hardly the same ones from 30 years ago who worked on this
Your idea that the mythical mass of Marathon fans were going to negatively hurt the next Marathons games chances was always ridiculous. Marathon is essentially a brand new IP at this point.
Raven117
Member
Sure. That plays a part. But they easily could have bobbled it, but they didn't.The Final Shape is judged not by the quality but by the feelings of "10 years journey"
Plus, the game finally took away some of the more frustrating elements that slowed your builds...or playing with friends.
Now, it has an actually coherent narrative (just about a first for the franchise), smoothed out some gameplay elements, made it easier to play with buddies, and its back fun blasting aliens with friends. Which, in the end, is what destiny is all about.
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