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Captain Avengers: Civil War starts shooting - Cast and synopsis confirmed

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guek

Banned
All things considered, AoU incorporated phase II films as well as it could given what the phase II movies were. Avengers had the benefit of Thor and Captain America directly leading into its plot. No one complains about how Iron Man 1 & 2 or Hulk are nothing more than brief references in Avengers. AoU incorporated the Jarvis' drones, Tony's PTSD, the fall of shield, and Thor's infinity stone romp pretty well. They had major impacts on the plot of the film but the movie wasn't really about any of that, nor did it need to be. Avengers had the benefit of having Cap 1 essentially be a prequel leading directly up to its events.
 
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Toa TAK

Banned
guek said:
All things considered, AoU incorporated phase II films as well as it could given what the phase II movies were. Avengers had the benefit of Thor and Captain America directly leading into its plot. No one complains about how Iron Man 1 & 2 or Hulk are nothing more than brief references in Avengers. AoU incorporated the Jarvis' drones, Tony's PTSD, the fall of shield, and Thor's infinity stone romp pretty well. They had major impacts on the plot of the film but the movie wasn't really about any of that, nor did it need to be. Avengers had the benefit of having Cap 1 essentially be a prequel leading directly up to its events.
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The movie is about Ultron and his plot. There doesn't need to be much from the other films plot threads. It's just not nessesary.
 
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Blader

Member
guek said:
All things considered, AoU incorporated phase II films as well as it could given what the phase II movies were. Avengers had the benefit of Thor and Captain America directly leading into its plot. No one complains about how Iron Man 1 & 2 or Hulk are nothing more than brief references in Avengers. AoU incorporated the Jarvis' drones, Tony's PTSD, the fall of shield, and Thor's infinity stone romp pretty well. They had major impacts on the plot of the film but the movie wasn't really about any of that, nor did it need to be. Avengers had the benefit of having Cap 1 essentially be a prequel leading directly up to its events.
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Even Thor is pretty handwaved away. That movie ends with the Thor stuck in Asgard and Loki falling into a black hole-ish thing (while also inexplicably possessing Selvig in the post-credits scene). When Avengers begins, Loki is in Thanos' company and Thor is allowed to return to Earth thanks to some magic one-time-use black magic deal. You can connect the dots on your own, but it's not a much of a lead-in either.

The solo movies are more about establishing characters (or in the case of Phase 2, growing them) than acting as plot prequels for Avengers films.
 
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super-heated plasma

Member
So looks like we will be seeing Guardians for sure in the next Avengers movies. Surprise surprise.

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/71587

What Pratt will be doing is playing Peter “Star Lord” Quill in a lot more Marvel movies. I’m guessing from this comment he’s contracted to turn up in the next couple of “Avengers” movies (which will deal with the Infinity War) as well as his “Guardians of the Galaxy” sequels.

"...I'm tied to doing three more, or five more, Guardians of the Galaxy or whatever it is, you know, two more Guardians plus another couple..."
 
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Fuu

Formerly Alaluef (not Aladuf)
guek said:
All things considered, AoU incorporated phase II films as well as it could given what the phase II movies were. Avengers had the benefit of Thor and Captain America directly leading into its plot. No one complains about how Iron Man 1 & 2 or Hulk are nothing more than brief references in Avengers. AoU incorporated the Jarvis' drones, Tony's PTSD, the fall of shield, and Thor's infinity stone romp pretty well. They had major impacts on the plot of the film but the movie wasn't really about any of that, nor did it need to be. Avengers had the benefit of having Cap 1 essentially be a prequel leading directly up to its events.
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Yep. Cuts made to the Thor sequence aside, I honestly felt that it all flowed pretty organically from the solo movies.

It's really not that different from the comics, which is probably why I don't even bat an eye when not everything that happens in the other movies is taken into consideration during the crossover events. You always get these characters doing their own thing in their own movies/comics, but when shit gets real on a larger scale they leave those things aside to focus on the main problem. Hell, most of the time they don't even give a passing mention to their own baggage when they're meeting in groups regardless of what's going on, which is actually realistic when you think about it. People don't go around involving their friends and co-workers in every problem they need to solve, unless it's absolutely necessary. Cap doesn't and shouldn't be calling Tony and Thor whenever he's facing an issue.
 
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Bracewell

Member
Fuu said:
It's really not that different from the comics, which is probably why I don't even bat an eye when not everything that happens in the other movies is taken into consideration during the crossover events. You always get these characters doing their own thing in their own movies/comics, but when shit gets real on a larger scale they leave those things aside to focus on the main problem. Hell, most of the time they don't even give a passing mention to their own baggage when they're meeting in groups regardless of what's going on, which is actually realistic when you think about it. People don't go around involving their friends and co-workers in every problem they need to solve, unless it's absolutely necessary. Cap doesn't and shouldn't be calling Tony and Thor whenever he's facing an issue.
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Isn't the MCU extremely streamlined compared to the comics? I haven't read many, but it feels like they can get incredibly convoluted when they try to tie multiple distinct story arcs together.

There's probably a smarter way to reference events from the individual movies, but since there isn't much precedent for a cinematic universe on this scale, Marvel will have to play it by ear, and learn from their mistakes in each subsequent Phase. Heck, they're doing a pretty bang up job connecting the larger dots right now, missteps like Iron Man 2 and Thor: Into Darkness aside (maybe throw IM3 in there as well).

guek said:
All things considered, AoU incorporated phase II films as well as it could given what the phase II movies were. Avengers had the benefit of Thor and Captain America directly leading into its plot. No one complains about how Iron Man 1 & 2 or Hulk are nothing more than brief references in Avengers. AoU incorporated the Jarvis' drones, Tony's PTSD, the fall of shield, and Thor's infinity stone romp pretty well. They had major impacts on the plot of the film but the movie wasn't really about any of that, nor did it need to be. Avengers had the benefit of having Cap 1 essentially be a prequel leading directly up to its events.
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AoU was a fantastic, reasonably self-contained, sequel to the first Avengers/The Winter Soldier, and it didn't even have Loki in it.
 
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richiek

steals Justin Bieber DVDs
http://www.laineygossip.com/New-Cap...eth-Olsen--Anthony-Mackie--Frank-Grillo/38595

Possible plot details on how the Winter Soldier will figure into Civil War. It appears he's the flashpoint of the events of the film and confirms that the African marketplace battle
leads to the registration act.

They’re shooting the first big action set piece of the movie, the one that kicks off the “civil war” after a battle between Cap’s new Avengers and Crossbones leaves a lot of innocent bystanders dead. As a result, world governments start cracking down on superhero activity. Tony Stark takes up the mantle of Team Let The Government Control Superheroes and Captain America leads Team That’s A Terrible F*cking Idea. Fans are vexed because no one is really sure what any of this has to do with Bucky Barnes/Winter Soldier, who’s supposed to be a major character in the movie.

The working title of Civil War is “Sputnik”, and while working titles don’t necessarily have anything to do with the plot, in this case it’s a nod to Russian spy stuff. In the comics everyone is fighting over secret identities, but that’s not an issue for the movies, so the thing that becomes the touchstone of the conflict is the Winter Soldier—everyone wants a piece of him. Cap wants to save his best friend, Tony Stark wants the guy who murdered his parents and may be using the government registration cause as a means to that end, Crossbones wants his brainwashed Hydra pet back, and Black Panther is in the mix, too, after the Winter Soldier for reasons unknown. The working title for Civil War could also be “Everyone Gets Bucky”. Civil War is a critical moment for Sebastian Stan and Bucky Barnes—he has to get everyone on his side by the end of this movie, because his role in the Marvel Cinematic Universe is about to get a lot bigger.
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Alienous

Member
richiek said:
Possible plot details on how the Winter Soldier will figure into Civil War. It appears he's the flashpoint of the events of the film and confirms that the African marketplace battle
leads to the registration act.

They’re shooting the first big action set piece of the movie, the one that kicks off the “civil war” after a battle between Cap’s new Avengers and Crossbones leaves a lot of innocent bystanders dead. As a result, world governments start cracking down on superhero activity. Tony Stark takes up the mantle of Team Let The Government Control Superheroes and Captain America leads Team That’s A Terrible F*cking Idea. Fans are vexed because no one is really sure what any of this has to do with Bucky Barnes/Winter Soldier, who’s supposed to be a major character in the movie.

The working title of Civil War is “Sputnik”, and while working titles don’t necessarily have anything to do with the plot, in this case it’s a nod to Russian spy stuff. In the comics everyone is fighting over secret identities, but that’s not an issue for the movies, so the thing that becomes the touchstone of the conflict is the Winter Soldier—everyone wants a piece of him. Cap wants to save his best friend, Tony Stark wants the guy who murdered his parents and may be using the government registration cause as a means to that end, Crossbones wants his brainwashed Hydra pet back, and Black Panther is in the mix, too, after the Winter Soldier for reasons unknown. The working title for Civil War could also be “Everyone Gets Bucky”. Civil War is a critical moment for Sebastian Stan and Bucky Barnes—he has to get everyone on his side by the end of this movie, because his role in the Marvel Cinematic Universe is about to get a lot bigger.
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A Winter Soldier / Bucky Barnes focused film would certainly lend itself well to ... well, y'know.

Interesting.
 
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Xpike

Unconfirmed Member
Platy said:
that last sentence is hinting at what I think it is hinting ?
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Chris Evans doesn't want to act and his contract will run out after Avengers 3, so every comic fan already figured it out.
 
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Pai Pai Master

Banned
Xpike said:
Chris Evans doesn't want to act and his contract will run out after Avengers 3, so every comic fan already figured it out.
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This is not true actually, while he wants to focus more on directing, he said he will keep playing Captain America as long as Marvel wants him. It's unlikely he'll do any non-Marvel acting.
 
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Neoxon

Junior Member
super-heated plasma said:
So looks like we will be seeing Guardians for sure in the next Avengers movies. Surprise surprise.

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/71587

What Pratt will be doing is playing Peter “Star Lord” Quill in a lot more Marvel movies. I’m guessing from this comment he’s contracted to turn up in the next couple of “Avengers” movies (which will deal with the Infinity War) as well as his “Guardians of the Galaxy” sequels.

"...I'm tied to doing three more, or five more, Guardians of the Galaxy or whatever it is, you know, two more Guardians plus another couple..."
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Chris Pratt said before that he's signed on for around 7-8 more films. Assuming it's just 7, that would leave...
  1. Guardians of the Galaxy 2
  2. Avengers: Infinity War (Part 1)*
  3. Avengers: Infinity War (Part 2)*
  4. Guardians of the Galaxy 3
  5. Unknown
  6. Unknown
  7. Unknown
* = We don't know if the Infinity War films count as 2 films in the multi-film contracts or just 1

Of course, this doesn't count any freebie cameos he may do in other films just for the hell of it (like Chris Evans' cameo in Thor: The Dark World).
 
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foxuzamaki

Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
So is it confirmed that black panther will be in CW or do we have to wait til 2017(18?) For anything worthwhile?
 
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Neoxon

Junior Member
Xpike said:
Chris Evans doesn't want to act and his contract will run out after Avengers 3, so every comic fan already figured it out.
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That's a common misconception. He wants to keep doing Captain America, it's just that he doesn't want to do any other roles besides Cap & focus more on directing outside of the MCU.
 
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Blader

Member
Neoxon said:
Chris Pratt said before that he's signed on for around 7-8 more films. Assuming it's just 7, that would leave...
  1. Guardians of the Galaxy 2
  2. Avengers: Infinity War (Part 1)*
  3. Avengers: Infinity War (Part 2)*
  4. Guardians of the Galaxy 3
  5. Unknown
  6. Unknown
  7. Unknown
* = We don't know if the Infinity War films count as 2 films in the multi-film contracts or just 1

Of course, this doesn't count any freebie cameos he may do in other films just for the hell of it (like Chris Evans' cameo in Thor: The Dark World).
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I think you're misreading it, it's 6 total. He did Guardians, then says three more which he corrects to five -- two being Guardians 2 and 3, the other 3 being other options (likely an Avengers here and there). It's the same kind of six-picture deal that a lot of the other actors have.
 
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Neoxon

Junior Member
Blader said:
I think you're misreading it, it's 6 total. He did Guardians, then says three more which he corrects to five -- two being Guardians 2 and 3, the other 3 being other options (likely an Avengers here and there). It's the same kind of six-picture deal that a lot of the other actors have.
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Okay, that makes sense. 7-8 would be pure insanity (even though he said 7-8 in a previous interview).
 
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Xpike

Unconfirmed Member
Pai Pai Master said:
This is not true actually, while he wants to focus more on directing, he said he will keep playing Captain America as long as Marvel wants him. It's unlikely he'll do any non-Marvel acting.
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oh that's neat
so bucky can become cap while Rogers can have small cameos.
 
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bchamba

Member
Steve doesn't necessarily have to die for Bucky to take over as Cap or leader of the New Avengers. It could be his turn to go underground and get away from it all until he's really needed again.
 
Wheeljack539

Wheeljack539

Member
bchamba said:
Steve doesn't necessarily have to die for Bucky to take over as Cap or leader of the New Avengers. It could be his turn to go underground and get away from it all until he's really needed again.
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I'm hoping its something like this as I really don't want Steve to die.
 
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Squire

Banned
Neoxon said:
There's been more build-up for Bucky as Cap than Falcon.
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In what way? Bucky's barely had a conversation with anyone, whereas (in Winter Soldier, funnily enough) Sam's friendship with Cap has been firmly established, he helped him look for Bucky, and now he's a New Avenger. He's stayed pretty close.

I don't see how there isn't far more set-up for Sam to take the mantle than for Bucky.
 
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GAMEPROFF

Banned
Inorigo said:
In what way? Bucky's barely had a conversation with anyone, whereas (in Winter Soldier, funnily enough) Sam's friendship with Cap has been firmly established, he helped him look for Bucky, and now he's a New Avenger. He's stayed pretty close.

I don't see how there isn't far more set-up for Sam to take the mantle than for Bucky.
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Thats true, there is currently zero build up for booth characters to become Captain America.
 
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GAMEPROFF

Banned
Inorigo said:
Please tell me there's more to your argument than that.
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Please explain why "beeing friends" establishes Sam as more realistic for the next not-Steve Rogers Captain America.
Banner and Stark are friends, will Banner be Iron Man 2.0? Also, Bucky Cap is a fan favorite.
 
Q

Quick

Banned
Inorigo said:
Please tell me there's more to your argument than that.
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If Marvel's sticking to some part of Bucky's comic history, he does become Captain America at some point. While there hasn't been any other nod to this, I think The Winter Soldier being the only character to have twice been able to take the shield from Cap and wield it against him briefly is important and maybe a glimpse of what his role could be in the future.

winter-soldier-bucky-shield.jpg
 
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Neoxon

Junior Member
Quick said:
If Marvel's sticking to some part of Bucky's comic history, he does become Captain America at some point. While there hasn't been any other nod to this, I think The Winter Soldier being the only character to have twice been able to take the shield from Cap and wield it against him briefly is important and maybe a glimpse of what could be in the future.

winter-soldier-bucky-shield.jpg
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One could make the same argument for Sam Wilson as Cap, but Bucky as Cap is much more established. Falcon only had a brief stint as Cap back in the day & a recent run as Cap.
 
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Squire

Banned
GAMEPROFF said:
Please explain why "beeing friends" establishes Sam as more realistic for the next not-Steve Rogers Captain America.
Banner and Stark are friends, will Banner be Iron Man 2.0? Also, Bucky Cap is a fan favorite.
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It's isn't just that they're friends it's that Steve trusts him, they've run multiple ops together at this point, and Wilson is a soldier and an Avenger on top of it.

Bucky is some dude who was supposedly dead and came back as an assassin. You think Fury is gonna let him suddenly becoming a high ranking SHIELD official because, what, Cap is confident he's still a good man deep down? It wouldn't make any sense, especially when Wilson is in view already.
 
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