Charlie Kirk assassinated at Utah campus event

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Nope, and the voters will be reminded again the assassination of an innocent man again come 2028 election.

But will that really sway things when talking about things that DIRECTLY affect their lives? Nixon was still elected even though MLK was assassinated (not saying a 1:1 comparison, obviously)... And MLK was closely aligned with JFK and RFK.
 
But will that really sway things when talking about things that DIRECTLY affect their lives? Nixon was still elected even though MLK was assassinated (not saying a 1:1 comparison, obviously)... And MLK was closely aligned with JFK and RFK.
I think it's relevant to the extent that the left tries to paint the right as violent extremists, and this is one of their most relied on strategies. See how Jan 6 was framed

Kind of hard to do that when your side killed Charlie and tried to kill the president, and there is A LOT of documented proof to show the left was celebrating on both occasions

Beyond that I do agree that voters are mostly stupid and tend to vote based on shortsighted things
 
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The point stands. The corrupt, rich, powerful, exploitative, predatory, pedophilic, elite class laughs while regular people rally behind whatever side they think should win.
Ah, I though you have someone specific in mind.

We should all be shocked and horrified at what the FCC commissioner said.
Are you offended by government involvement or by the threat to the very concept of the freedom of speech? (it's not the same)

The Democracts would be a far stronger party if they let their people really choose who they wanted
They need reform, but it is unlikely to happen.
 
But will that really sway things when talking about things that DIRECTLY affect their lives? Nixon was still elected even though MLK was assassinated (not saying a 1:1 comparison, obviously)... And MLK was closely aligned with JFK and RFK.
That election was a mess. Wallace breaking off and doing his own campaign basically screwed the Democrats.
 
I think it's relevant to the extent that the left tries to paint the right as violent extremists, and this is one of their most relied on strategies. See how Jan 6 was framed

Kind of hard to do that when your side killed Charlie and tried to kill the president, and there is A LOT of documented proof to show the left was celebrating on both occasions

Beyond that I do agree that voters are mostly stupid and tend to vote based on shortsighted things

Crooks was a registered Republican... He wasn't a Democrat or lefty. Robinson was gay but that itself doesn't make him "the left". He could have been passionate about his newfound personal out lifestyle and his parents saw that as "left leaning"... Even tho there are right wing gay people. He can be gay and not want anything to do with Democrats but also thought Charlie Kirk spread hate (is Alex Jones a Messiah to the right?).

I'm saying, let's see how it goes because you can't paint everyone you disagree with with the colors of a few individuals.
 
Crooks was a registered Republican... He wasn't a Democrat or lefty. Robinson was gay but that itself doesn't make him "the left". He could have been passionate about his newfound personal out lifestyle and his parents saw that as "left leaning"... Even tho there are right wing gay people. He can be gay and not want anything to do with Democrats but also thought Charlie Kirk spread hate (is Alex Jones a Messiah to the right?).

I'm saying, let's see how it goes because you can't paint everyone you disagree with with the colors of a few individuals.
Read my earlier posts in this thread where I go through all the evidence available which supports Robinson being motivated by left politics

Don't feel like doing this entire song and dance all over again

Either way, there is a ton of evidence that shows the left was celebrating in both situations, which again undermines their ability to say they distance themselves from violence
 
I think it's relevant to the extent that the left tries to paint the right as violent extremists, and this is one of their most relied on strategies. See how Jan 6 was framed

Kind of hard to do that when your side killed Charlie and tried to kill the president, and there is A LOT of documented proof to show the left was celebrating on both occasions

Beyond that I do agree that voters are mostly stupid and tend to vote based on shortsighted things
Which one does what now
 
Great speech by Ben Carson, I suggest you listen the full 4-minute speech

"There's a man named Cleon Skousen who wrote a book called The Naked Communist in the 50s... Gaining control over the public education system and the teachers unions so you can infiltrate an indoctrinate our young people. It was a leftist who said "Give me your children to teach for four years and I will never be uprooted."They want to make sexual perversion natural and healthy and pushing God out of our society.

"You cannot be the home of the free if you're not the land of the brave. You've got to stand up for what you believe in."

"In closing, I want to read a passage from John 12:24, remembering that Charlie was shot at 12:24 pm. 'Verily, verily, I say unto you, this is Christ speaking."Except a corn of wheat fall onto the ground and die, it abideth alone. But if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.' And I want to thank Charlie for his sacrifice, because much fruit is going to be realized."

 
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I think the right is evolving past Trump; Erica got a big reaction and I believe her message will resonate the loudest after this.
Trump is what, 80? And on his last term. No question he is at the end of his era of influence.

I just hope he gracefully passes the torch, but I suspect he will cling to the limelight till his last breath.

Then again, I half think he only ran again to help fight off all the lawsuits. Had the liberals just left him alone I think he would have just enjoyed his time and been done with it.
 
Not any time soon unfortunately. They remind me of the Republican Party during the Obama years. Completely out of touch.
Maybe they'll give the 2016/2024 strategy another go. Pick a candidate that nobody likes, then try to nag and shame voters into voting for them. Maybe it'll work this time if they get enough celebrity endorsements!
 
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My wife is catholic and didn't follow Charlie Kirk, but the assassination inspired her to go back to church. We took our kids this morning and they loved it.
I have a lifetime of being involved in church and how it can help you. Dad leads the way on family activities like church.
 
I have a lifetime of being involved in church and how it can help you. Dad leads the way on family activities like church.
I am not religious but I will support my wife if it makes her happy. Maybe this will change me. Time will tell.

She's Italian and grew up in a very religious family so it means something to her. We got married in a Catholic Church and the priest made me do homework lol. Not really my style but I'm easy going with this stuff.
 
I remember something Kirk said that really had me ticked off... About sign language interpreters at news conferences. Saying we have CC now... That doesn't help most deaf people for a number of reasons, chief among them that most deaf people don't read English and live CC are riddled with mistakes making it hard to get accurate information.

Just a memory of one of the things I disagreed hard with him on.
 
I remember something Kirk said that really had me ticked off... About sign language interpreters at news conferences. Saying we have CC now... That doesn't help most deaf people for a number of reasons, chief among them that most deaf people don't read English and live CC are riddled with mistakes making it hard to get accurate information.

Just a memory of one of the things I disagreed hard with him on.

Sure. Not a great take. However, he was challenged on that multiple times at his in person events and admitted that he needed to reconsider that position.

 
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I remember something Kirk said that really had me ticked off... About sign language interpreters at news conferences. Saying we have CC now... That doesn't help most deaf people for a number of reasons, chief among them that most deaf people don't read English and live CC are riddled with mistakes making it hard to get accurate information.

Just a memory of one of the things I disagreed hard with him on.
I disagree with Kirk on most his positions. Doesn't mean I celebrate his death.

Quite a few people on this board assume I'm some huge maga guy since I shit on the left. Both sides have issues, I just align with the right more often than the left and feel like the left is becoming literally insane at a very fast rate.

Having said that I'm not religious at all which distances me from a lot of of the modern right. I'm pro choice, in favor of gay marriage, in favor of decriminalizing drugs. Also extremely pro 2 amendment and have tons of issues with most social welfare programs we have today
 
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I remember something Kirk said that really had me ticked off... About sign language interpreters at news conferences. Saying we have CC now... That doesn't help most deaf people for a number of reasons, chief among them that most deaf people don't read English and live CC are riddled with mistakes making it hard to get accurate information.

Just a memory of one of the things I disagreed hard with him on.
Just fucking stop. You've already brought this up.

Charlie Kirk addressed this. He explained he didn't know the difference and had it explained to him, at which point it changed his mind on the subject.


I'm sure it's on YouTube but this is the one that popped up for me.
 
When I was younger I thought that conservative were like Westboro Baptist Church. I had an image of these hateful and intolerant people.

I then got a job where most people voted differently than me and for the most part they were nice people.

On the other hand I realized that leftists are not nearly as compassionate and empathetic as they claim.
 


Unfortunately, Trump only wants unity and peace with people on his own side. He has a...rather less friendly attitude towards anyone else.



I wouldn't say Charlie Kirk was uniformly nice towards the other side either, because you can find him saying nasty things as well, but he was at least more open.
 
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When I was younger I thought that conservative were like Westboro Baptist Church. I had an image of these hateful and intolerant people.

I then got a job where most people voted differently than me and for the most part they were nice people.

On the other hand I realized that leftists are not nearly as compassionate and empathetic as they claim.
Yeah, I think if you have to spend all your time telling people how compassionate you are, you probably aren't. Most of the most truly empathetic people I know don't have to constantly remind people about it.
 
Yeah, I think if you have to spend all your time telling people how compassionate you are, you probably aren't. Most of the most truly empathetic people I know don't have to constantly remind people about it.

Empathy is a wonderful trait and can genuinely lead to understanding and compassion. Seeing it misunderstood and weaponized over the years has been very disappointing. It's now become a buzzword in certain circles for people attempting to denigrate their opponents which is a far cry from what it actually is.
 
Unfortunately, Trump only wants unity and peace with people on his own side. He has a...rather less friendly attitude towards anyone else.



I wouldn't say Charlie Kirk was uniformly nice towards the other side either, because you can find him saying nasty things as well, but he was at least more open.

Trump is not Charlie Kirk and Trump also will not be President anymore after 2028

What Charlie Kirk was building was something that was generational and it's not going to stop just because they murdered him

 
Trump is not Charlie Kirk and Trump also will not be President anymore after 2028

What Charlie Kirk was building was something that was generational and it's not going to stop just because they murdered him



Of course, but it reflects the differences between them and also highlights how un-Christian Trump is in particular.

Way too many things will happen between now and 2028., Good things, bad things, ugly things, strange things...too much time left.

About that clip...it's a dumb thing to say, but then again I'm glad to not use TikTok for anything.
 
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Trump is not Charlie Kirk and Trump also will not be President anymore after 2028

What Charlie Kirk was building was something that was generational and it's not going to stop just because they murdered him


I just don't know how you can be so gleeful about someone you don't know and has no impact in your life dying. Sad and crazy.
 
I remember something Kirk said that really had me ticked off... About sign language interpreters at news conferences. Saying we have CC now... That doesn't help most deaf people for a number of reasons, chief among them that most deaf people don't read English and live CC are riddled with mistakes making it hard to get accurate information.

Just a memory of one of the things I disagreed hard with him on.
I thought cc came in multi languages. It does here in texas.
 
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