notseqi
Gold Member
Out of date, never out of fashion.
Is there some place I can read up on the latest developments? Heard that it might be a bit more tricky than 'wacky leftist'.
Charlie Kirk assassinated at Utah campus event
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Is there some place I can read up on the latest developments? Heard that it might be a bit more tricky than 'wacky leftist'.
Boo Who?
Gold Member
It's part of the reason no one outside the US takes us seriously, if that mattered to you
ChuckeRearmed
Member
It does not matter considering that nothing gets done without USA anyway. Literally most of the world treats EU and the Commonwealth as jokes as without USA even India is looking down on them. And aside China, no other country is relevant worldwide.It's part of the reason no one outside the US takes us seriously, if that mattered to you
Like Trump crying and lashing out at the UN fucking w/ his escalator when actually his videographer triggered the safety mech --Now Kash Patel who is using the FBI as right arm of the white house to immediately post pictures of shell casings and determining ideological motives before any kind of formal investigation? It's embarrassing.
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Baemono
Gold Member
Obi-wan was a leftist if you think about it, he wanted Luke to destroy the Empire
TDiddyLive
Member
Kind of how Trump just said the European nations could help Ukraine get all their land back then Zelensky was like nah we still need the US.
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USA is like that gracious host that invited everyone over, but the party has gone on waaaay too long and so the host is starting to make everyone uncomfortable hoping they get the hint to GTFO and go home.
I think we are starting to transition into a "post-superpower" world where no one can really impose on anyone else because the costs are too high. Whether or not that ends in another massive world war or self-governance with fair and equitable international trade, who can say.... I feel like global resilience to a major upheaval (famine, large scale trade disruption) did ok after COVID but now we are in a recovery period where a second insult will tip us all over.
Topher
Identifies as young
It's part of the reason no one outside the US takes us seriously, if that mattered to you
It really doesn't.
I thought it was funny
But the Empire looks a looooooooot like certain political factions if you think about it. Anyway, the analogy is limited in scope.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Don't immigrants overwhelmingly support one party?
If true, the door will always be left open every time that party has the keys.
ChuckeRearmed
Member
Without USA it always turns into a meme like (replace Justice League with UN, NATO etc.)
The world war will happen. It might not look like WW1 and WW2 aka the industrial level wars as those are just too expensive now. But it might as well happening now as we have a conflict between nationalists and globalists already. Essentially we need to two conditions - necessary and sufficient conditions and we have them both. It is especially clear post Trump's UN speech.
Europe has always been very bureaucratic. The machine is slow but it will work fine long term.
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delirium trigger
Member
It's hilarious that they think we care what Europeans think. I don't want to be like Europe at all.
I think the "narrative" is that immigrants, particularly the flood of illegal immigrants, would support whichever party gives them stuff and allows them to vote. That's probably true in the short term when the vote choice is "allowed to stay and live ok" or "get thrown back out" but I think long term culturally the catholic south/central/"central north aka mexico" american is actually a lot less aligned with the DNC now on a lot of issues. Throw in muslim immigrants and they are REALLY not ideologically aligned with far-left democrats AT ALL, that is very much bedfellows of convenience which will eventually end badly.
But controlled LEGAL immigration, folks that come here, bootstrap themselves because hard work does pay off, those are gonna be leaders of which ever party actually allows them in, and I think the GOP is starting to do that more aggressively than the DNC.
IMHO the immigration issue has been turned into a perpetual battle between the two parties because neither party is interested in actually solving it. One side won't allow a blanket amnesty/citizenship and the other won't allow a labor work visa and strict controls on who can come in to limit anchor babies.
12Goblins
Thinks Sydney Sweeney is a man
There's more to 'Outside the US' than 'Europe' which to you is probably synonymous with a fear of censorship and hate speech laws in the UK.
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Topher
Identifies as young
What part of the world would you have the US emulate?
Thaimasker
Member
I mean, the post was talking about the VP calling people dipshit on Twitter. You could just look at most presidents and vps in u.s history..don't even have to look outside.
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delirium trigger
Member
Let's be real here, you're "outside the US" comment is referring to Europe and like Canada and Australia.
Oh look, a member of a labour party doesn't like Trump's policies...
3liteDragon
Member
Topher
Identifies as young
I'm aware. He also replied to a post not wanting to "be like Europe". Thus, my question
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Sonik
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12Goblins
Thinks Sydney Sweeney is a man
Denmark? South Korea? Switzerland? Finland? Norway? Netherlands? I can think of a dozen countries that we could learn from because they have better health care, less violence, better education, better infrastructure, better working conditions, better consumer protections, more freedoms, and happier people, among other things. It's sad I even have to explain why we should care about international perspective
ChuckeRearmed
Member
Aside SK, all other countries are Europe BTW. Each and every person talking about "how USA looks from outside" is from Europe. Every time.
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delirium trigger
Member
5 out of the 6 countries listed are in Europe.
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Topher
Identifies as young
Except you didn't explain that at all. Just a list of highly debatable things you think are better in other countries. International perspective doesn't make a difference to any of it.
Wildebeest
Member
It is only when the world notices and starts taking what it sees seriously that it becomes a problem.It's part of the reason no one outside the US takes us seriously, if that mattered to you
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PrimetimeKnight
Member
Not only that but besides South Korea all of those countries are comparable to a state the size of Wisconsin. SK has 20% of our population and is 1% geographically our size, not really fair to make comparisons when major differences like that exist.
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South Korea is a beautiful country with great people and advanced infrastructure and technology, but it's able to build and maintain that infrastructure and maintain public order due to being a homogeneous high trust society, much like Scandinavia (until the last 10 years) and Japan. Apples to oranges.
Thaimasker
Member
Population size shouldn't stop some sensible laws from being passed. Japan is another one, which has over 100 million people. Not to say everything there is perfect or 100% transferable, but to think we can't learn anything from anyone or improve is insane
It's very possible for us to have better infrastructure, education, healthcare, etc.
Like is it population size as to why our infrastructure can't improve in ways like China.
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Wildebeest
Member
South Korea has a lot of problems including political. There may be some hot women there but the culture and economy there are brutal. Among the lowest birth rates in the world.
kimcorecoba
Neo Member
Are you new to this world sir? Almost everyone's sick.
Yes, to the extent that it's not uncommon for people to escape North Korea's impoverished totalitarian hellscape only to commit suicide in South Korea due to the stress and intensity of daily life there.
Thaimasker
Member
And it's not uncommon for people to escape countries like Ukraine only to be murdered here. No place is perfect without any tragedy. But can still learn things from each other.
Bojji
Gold Member
Yeah, I watched some stuff about rat race in SK (and how everyone want to live in one city - Seoul) and it is quite dystopian...
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AJUMP23
Parody of actual AJUMP23
While I don't mind the idea I would like US coinage to get back to using images of liberty like Columbia and walking liberty on their coins.
Yes, a good argument for making crime illegal again in the US.
PrimetimeKnight
Member
I'm not sure we should be using China as a measuring stick of infrastructure.
Thaimasker
Member
It hasn't been "illegal" in at least 70 years if we're going by rates...but even in the 50's the homicide rate was very high for a 1st world country.
TDiddyLive
Member
Ahh yes, I remember in the 50's when they would arrest violent and dangerous criminals then immediately release them back into the public.
12Goblins
Thinks Sydney Sweeney is a man
Not really sure what this point is trying to make? Yes, principles of reason over tradition, secularism, liberty, human rights, science, social contracts, discourse, progress, etc are all ideas we adopted from European thinkers from the age of enlightenment.
TransTrender
Gold Member
I haven't seen anything confirmed but supposedly it was a 20 minute long event, so likely more than 5 shots.
Thaimasker
Member
The homicide rate was still high then regardless.
The entire 20th and 21 century , it has always been high in the u.s.
I'm saying this to say that people act like it's only in recent years that homicides have been happening at a high rate and that it was at a "good" rate in the 90's or something. The u.s has basically always been a violent country.
Would it be good to not immediately release dangerous criminals? Yes, I'm not disputing that. But you can go to laws from 20 years ago or whatever and the rate will still be high imo
12Goblins
Thinks Sydney Sweeney is a man
If you're referring to the guy who killed iryna, the guy went to jail for like 6 years for armed robbery iirc. how long should we keep people in jail for armed robbery? 25 years? The problem is he needed to be institutionalized but we don't have a system in place to deal with these crazies, so we just have to wait for them to commit crimes so we can keep them incarcerated. This shit happens all the time, but this time people care because it happened to a pretty blonde girl. and nothing has been done except pointing fingers while pretending this is an easy fix. Tragic.
We would have quite a bit of money saved up if, instead of housing people in prisons who won't rehabilitate, we put them to use clearing landmines or something similar and use that money on institutions who can mentally be rehabilitated or at least put someplace where they can not harm themselves or others.
kimcorecoba
Neo Member
Jesus Christ. What is wrong with you?
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
I have to agree. The SAME thing happened to a woman on BART a few years ago... Just flip the races of victim and perp. No riots happened, no National news... They didn't care because the victim wasn't a saint. Her name was Nia Wilson.
Topher
Identifies as young
People make a big deal out of folks getting killed all the time. And not just pretty blonde girls.
