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COMICS! |OT| July 2013. Celebrate liberty with the ultimate patriotic superhero.

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Spike Spiegel

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Grant Morrison thinks people will hate the end of Batman Inc. (Newsarama)

Newsarama: Grant, we’re coming right up to the very end of Batman, Incorporated. Your entire Batman epic is ending. What does it feel like now that you’re looking back and seeing everything that you’ve done over the years here?

Grant Morrison: I haven’t even thought of it yet. I’ll get to it when it’s done; the last one isn’t out yet. I really think a lot of people will hate it, because it’s super bleak. It kind of – to a certain extent it destroys the concept of Batman.

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Part of what the Batman run has been is recapitulating the years of Batman and the different ways that Batman’s been dealt with. So I wanted to deal with that modern Batman that has started to get bleak again. The stuff that Scott [Snyder] is doing, that John Layman is doing, everyone is starting to get bleak again. You cannot bring Batman into the light, is basically what I’ve learned. So we wanted to acknowledge that in this last issue – it’s quite nightmarish in a way.

Nrama: What is it about Batman that brings that bleakness back to him? Is it his obsession?

Morrison: No, I think that it’s because he always has to stand for a certain part of us, it’s the part of us that deals with the darker stuff. So Batman is constantly forced into bleaker and bleaker confrontations with our existential fears.

That’s what he is I guess, and we wanted to take that to our own personal limit and say, there’s a place where Batman runs out – beyond that place, you’ll see what happens.
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That's... really scary. I'm heartened by the fact that even Morrison thinks modern Batman is oppressively bleak, but at the same time a bit bummed that he thinks it's an inevitable fate.
 
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slightconfuse

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Freaking jupiters legacy

I’ve mostly written it. I’m just kind of finessing the last stuff. Cameron Stewart has finished his issue. Frank Quitely has been working for two years and still has nine pages to draw (laughs
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Dan

No longer boycotting the Wolfenstein franchise
From this Didio/Lee interview: http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=46825

On Harley Quinn and the reaction to her upcoming series: "It's interesting because, you know, we do a lot of analysis and characterization and what's breaking in media," DiDio said. "There's a real dark streak in television right now and storytelling in the world and there's a real amoral sense that villains are being embraced as the heroes of the pieces. Realistically when we looked around what's going on in the media and what's going on in the tone, Harley Quinn really captures that flavor, really captures that feel. It's an interesting character, there's something likable about her, something amoral about her, there's something dangerous about her. I think in some ways, she's the ultimate representation of rebellion against authority and really speaks to the people themselves."
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I think this is one of the problems with DC editorial. They're reactive, looking out at the media landscape and asking how they can mimic or tap into what's already popular. Especially with this example, I mean, the antihero drama hit in a big way with The Sopranos over a decade ago and is kinda hitting its culmination with Breaking Bad. It's already disconcerting if these guys are only just noticing the trend. Cable dramas are starting to move on to other new and interesting areas.

DC needs to just give its writers freedom to pursue . Stop looking at what's working elsewhere and asking which characters can be used to emulate those successes. If it happens organically, fine, but less top-down direction like this.

"I think she's also just a fun character," said Lee. "Everything is so serious and grim and gritty and everyone takes themselves so seriously. Having a character that plays with the audience, breaks the fourth wall on occasion. Also, it's a female character. You don't see a lot of female characters, especially villains, rise to prominence. I would say she's one of the top five villains in the Batman pantheon of rogues gallery. I think that's it. It's a fun character to cosplay, I see her cosplayed quite a bit. … It's kind of a post-modern superhero. It's a generation beyond all the stuff we grew up on. In a way, it's playing on the tropes and turning it on its head."
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Why do I get the sense they want to make Harley Quinn their version of Deadpool?
 
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kswiston

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tim1138 said:
I don't think we'll see a fun Batman (in continuity not stuff like '66) comic for a long time.
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A lot of his movie fans seem to be actively against the idea of any fun being mixed with their Batman. I wouldn't be surprised if the same held true for a lot of Batman comic buyers.
 
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tim1138

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kswiston said:
A lot of his movie fans seem to be actively against the idea of any fun being mixed with their Batman. I wouldn't be surprised if the same held true for a lot of Batman comic buyers.
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Sad but true.
Give me Brave and the Bold Batman over Christopher Nolan Batman any day of the week.
 
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BenjaminBirdie

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But in a very real way, Morrison is right. Dude is inspired by the murder of his parents. There's a tangible ceiling (or should be) for how much fun you can have with a character like that.
 
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Spike Spiegel

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BenjaminBirdie said:
But in a very real way, Morrison is right. Dude is inspired by the murder of his parents. There's a tangible ceiling (or should be) for how much fun you can have with a character like that.
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No one at DC can even see that ceiling much less reach it, because they're too busy digging holes in the basement. :\
 
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frye

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Spike Spiegel said:
Grant Morrison thinks people will hate the end of Batman Inc. (Newsarama)

That's... really scary. I'm heartened by the fact that even Morrison thinks modern Batman is oppressively bleak, but at the same time a bit bummed that he thinks it's an inevitable fate.
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A lot of this volume of Batman Inc feels really bleak though, doesn't it? I wonder how much of the entire post-New 52 stuff is just him responding to being replaced as top dog Batman writer.


vvvv mmm, yeah. maybe i'm just reading a bit too much into it
 
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tim1138

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frye said:
A lot of this volume of Batman Inc feels really bleak though, doesn't it? I wonder how much of the entire post-New 52 stuff is just him responding to being replaced as top dog Batman writer.
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Chris Burnham has said a couple times now that he's seen the original outline and very little has changed, so take that as you will.
 
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B-Dubs

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frye said:
A lot of this volume of Batman Inc feels really bleak though, doesn't it? I wonder how much of the entire post-New 52 stuff is just him responding to being replaced as top dog Batman writer.
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Morrison doesn't strike me as the type of guy who would be that salty, as weird as his stories can get it's pretty obvious he puts them above whatever else is going on.
 
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Vyer

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Spike Spiegel said:
No one at DC can even see that ceiling much less reach it, because they're too busy digging holes in the basement. :
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That's not necessarily true. Beyond, lil Gotham and '66 (and probably Legends, though I haven't read it) are options in the other direction. As far as the main line stuff goes, it's been scattered but not a predominant tone. In general Morrison is correct but as always it comes down to the creative team on any given run.
 
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Rafa=FedKilla

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Dan said:
From this Didio/Lee interview: http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=46825



I think this is one of the problems with DC editorial. They're reactive, looking out at the media landscape and asking how they can mimic or tap into what's already popular. Especially with this example, I mean, the antihero drama hit in a big way with The Sopranos over a decade ago and is kinda hitting its culmination with Breaking Bad. It's already disconcerting if these guys are only just noticing the trend. Cable dramas are starting to move on to other new and interesting areas.

DC needs to just give its writers freedom to pursue . Stop looking at what's working elsewhere and asking which characters can be used to emulate those successes. If it happens organically, fine, but less top-down direction like this.


Why do I get the sense they want to make Harley Quinn their version of Deadpool?
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Yep. Didio doesn't have any balls or foresight. You have to make trends. Be ahead od them. I want some happiness and fun books.
 
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Spike Spiegel

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Tired of seeing this one scene yet? Me neither.
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http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=46860

"We're in a dark part of the story," Fraction remarked, "It's time to see what he's made of and what kind of hero he is under all of that."

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"We'll begin zig zagging back and forth where we'll have a Kate issue and a Clint issue," Fraction explained. "David Aja will continue to do the Clint stories and the fabulous Annie Wu, who did our romance issue covers for #8-9, does the Kate stories. So we're going to alternate between East Coast adventures with Clint and Kate's exploits out West."
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Why you so good, Marvel? Why?
 
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LiveFromKyoto

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Spike Spiegel said:
Grant Morrison thinks people will hate the end of Batman Inc. (Newsarama)

That's... really scary. I'm heartened by the fact that even Morrison thinks modern Batman is oppressively bleak, but at the same time a bit bummed that he thinks it's an inevitable fate.
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You shouldn't be. He thinks in archetypal terms, so Batman is Hades, he's the horned god, he's a chthonic figure. He can't wear the shadow of our collective society to face our darker anxieties in a nice way when that society is going through such a period of dissolution and uncertainty.

I'm quite sure he'd tell you that if we were going through a happier period (or at least had a power counter-cultural movement trying to bring one about), that you'd see a brighter Batman. Though as mentioned, DC is publishing a less grim alternative or two.
 
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dan2026

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So once Morrison has finished.
How many issues of of his run does that make it?
Anyone want to count?

What are the chances of some sort of deluxe omnibus editions?
 
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Dan

No longer boycotting the Wolfenstein franchise
dan2026 said:
What are the chances of some sort of deluxe omnibus editions?
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I would guess that anything like the multiseries omnibuses like what they've done with Knightfall and No Man's Land would be several years off. There's still money to be made on deluxe editions, absolutes, etc.
 
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ElNarez

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IT'S TRICKY TO ROCK A LIST TO ROCK A LIST THAT'S RIGHT ON TIME IT'S LIST:
All-Star Western #22 (I don't really like that no one gives a fuck about this book, but also it means that no one at DC gives a fuck about this book so it actually gets to be consistently good without being messed with too much, also, Jonah Hex and Booster Gold in present-day Gotham how does that not rock your proverbial socks)
Aquaman #22
Batman/Superman #2
Constantine #5 (It's Still Decent!)
Flash #22
Green Team #3
Justice League Dark #22 (We're still in the Cool Exciting Part of a Geoff Johns Event, and I know the terrible ending is inevitable but let me enjoy this ride)
Larfleeze #2

Lazarus #2

Captain America #9
Hawkgal Annual #1
Journey Into Mystery #654 (Fuck y'all for not buying it)
New Avengers #8
Uncanny Avengers #10
Wolverine and the X-Men #33
Young Avengers #8 (Fucking buy it do not scare me with cancellation ever again because fuck that was bad)
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arkon

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I'll buy Immonen's JiM in trades. I was too late to jump on that bandwagon with the monthlies. No point jumping on a cancelled book.

Plus I haven't even read Gillen's run on it yet.
 
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Wool

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wilder.Boy said:
Does anyone know if Satellite Sam ist planned as an ongoing or as a mini series? I'm kind of interested in the series but still I'm unsure wether to jump in or not. Browsing through the web it seems like this is a hit or miss for most readers.

Any impressions from those who read the first issue?
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I really liked the first issue. Cool setting, and it seems like it'll be a good murder mystery. For it being black & white I thought the art was gorgeous too.
 
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slightconfuse

Banned
THis got a good laugh out of me

I have not, as much as I like Quitley’s art I’m just kind of done with Millar.

I’ll probably get it at some con free from Image, and then read it and feel gross about what I’ve read.

Someone told me Millar had refereed to it as his Watchmen, like everyone gets a Watchmen. I was joking that Multiple Warheads is my Broom Hilda.
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i should read king city one of these days
 
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akira28

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kswiston said:
A lot of his movie fans seem to be actively against the idea of any fun being mixed with their Batman. I wouldn't be surprised if the same held true for a lot of Batman comic buyers.
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Nah. My favorite Batman was just after he came back from the "dead" and was in the grey/white uniform. He was complete Bruce for a short time before they rebooted everything.

He even cracked jokes, he didn't let things bother him, he spent time with his family and Selina and didn't obsess over crime. Everything else since thing has seemed like reverting back to fucked up in the head and worse Bruce.

Disappointed as hell because it was like actually watching him grow and develop even more as a character, and that's amazing because it's fucking Batman. Real growth, not just plot twisty, run through the wringer BS.
 
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Rafa=FedKilla

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Anticitizen One said:
Did you miss all of the Bendis Director Cuts since 2004 brah??
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I haven't ever read those because there are too many words. I was really ill for a long time so I coulsnt read, drive, sit yp, watch tv or do anything. Its how I dsicovered comics. I want to become a comics superstar because they helped me so much and if a person can only read one comic a week like I did, I want it to the best fucking thing to them. I won't write for the trade but for the panel.


And the other brah about DCBS. The money is just too good. The turning point for me was the Forever Evil special and that starting in October, there are like four new books from Image I want. All that Vertigo shit. I just love comics so much.
 
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tim1138

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PSA for any Trinity War readers: this month's Constantine ties in with a fun side story, but read it after JLDark.

In other news Trinity War continues to be really good.
 
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