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[StreetsofBeige]

No doubt it's broken.

Current gamers playing is 48, not 548.

 

[FoxMcChief]

iI dont think it was a massive split 60-40 at most if i remember correctly

Weren't you claiming that same figure to me in the Corcord beta thread for Concord?

Hey, just assume and make shit up on the fly, it’s what the “smart guys” do.

 

[clarky]

Hey, just assume and make shit up on the fly, it’s what the “smart guys” do.

Its called educated guessing, and I'm highly educated.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Seems like they need more studios like Arrowhead and less like firewalk if thats true. @Haint above was suggesting the Concord dev's are costing upwards of 50 million per year.

50M per year is like naughty dog numbers. Serious doubt there. Likely half that

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Weren't you claiming that same figure to me in the Corcord beta thread for Concord?

Concord isn’t some massive AAA production bro

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Twas a joke my man.

You go free to play you have to monetize it somehow, i cant see many people buying skins as it stands, hence the weight loss jabs joke (for your concord avatar, not your avatar now i read it back lol). I'll see myself out.

I got you it's all good.

 

[clarky]

Concord isn’t some massive AAA production bro

8 years and a fuck ton of devs says otherwise.

 

[DonkeyPunchJr]

It topped out at 2,388 concurrent players during the free beta. I can imagine there being only 500 paid players.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

8 years and a fuck ton of devs says otherwise.

8 years means nothing unless you know the dev count. Until the last few years it was low

 

[clarky]

8 years means nothing unless you know the dev count. Until the last few years it was low

Im not from the states, would you say this statement is incorrect then? I was asking about how he arrived at 100milion for 2 years graft on Concord.

Sure thing, Seattle is a top 10 most expensive city in the US, and Sony are paying to employ 170 ostensibly skilled professionals who are in high demand that they have to both poach and fend off poaches from. The average coastal US game dev salary exceeds $150k/year in salary alone, the actual costs to the business is way higher than that. They also have to pay mountains of premium benefits on every single head (i.e. platinum family insurance plans, cellphone plans, work from home internet plans, luxury car leases for the C-suites, etc...), mountains of state and federal employee taxes on every single head, and lease a luxury office studio with artisanal juice bars, meditation corners, and fine dining lunch caters. Then millions upon millions more in miscellaneous overhead like farms of high end computers/monitors, Herman Miller chairs/desks throughout, utilities, office supplies, toilet paper, etc... How much exactly do you think all that costs, a couple million a year? How else do you think Miles Morales, a 4 hour long DLC that reused every single assets within, cost $150,000,000 to produce?

 

[Rentahamster]

Kaz wouldn't have let this happen!

 

[ArtHands]

This is a Playstation game guys. I am sure this has massive number on Playstation 5 hardware

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Im not from the states, would you say this statement is incorrect then? I was asking about how he arrived at 100milion for 2 years graft on Concord.

Yes he absolutely is wrong on multiple assumptions

 

[clarky]

This is a Playstation game guys. I am sure this has massive number on Playstation 5 hardware

Sure mate, Massive and growing.

 

[Dr.Morris79]

I'm not one for knee jerk reactions, it's too early to say anything definitive. Sony could get some big time streamers on board and this game could blow up. It's possible at least.

 

[clarky]

Yes he absolutely is wrong on multiple assumptions

I took it at face value, thats why i said maybe HD2 didn't make as much bank as we'd have though.

Why is he wrong? Seems entirely plausible when you break in down.

 

[MayauMiao]

The only thing broken are the people at Firewalk Studios.

 

[asdasdasdbb]

Yes he absolutely is wrong on multiple assumptions

IIRC companies usually use 3x salary as the actual employee cost. So 50M a year is not unrealistic. It's just a question of how long the employee count has been high.

Like I'm wondering if they will skip the F2P and just refund everyone's money.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Im not from the states, would you say this statement is incorrect then? I was asking about how he arrived at 100milion for 2 years graft on Concord.

That's a ridiculous overestimation. $150k isn't for a game dev, it's for highly senior lead engineers/directors. The typical grunt doing sound, visuals, programming, QA etc won't reach anywhere near that

 

[clarky]

That's a ridiculous overestimation. $150k isn't for a game dev, it's for highly senior lead engineers/directors. The typical grunt doing sound, visuals, programming, QA etc won't reach anywhere near that

Waiting times between matches that long you still have time to post ?

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

IIRC companies usually use 3x salary as the actual employee cost. So 50M a year is not unrealistic. It's just a question of how long the employee count has been high.

Like I'm wondering if they will skip the F2P and just refund everyone's money.

Not in low overhead businesses, and the average base salary is way off

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Waiting times between matches that long you still have time to post ?

I'm waiting for Wukong's input lag to finish

 

[clarky]

That's a ridiculous overestimation. $150k isn't for a game dev, it's for highly senior lead engineers/directors. The typical grunt doing sound, visuals, programming, QA etc won't reach anywhere near that

Not in low overhead businesses, and the average base salary is way off

I thought it was a little extreme also but got shot down instantly.

 

[clarky]

I'm waiting for Wukong's input lag to finish

Posting, a match on Concord, then 2 light attacks. Repeat.

What a Saturday night. I need one of these playstation gadgets.

 

[Elginer]

I threw 40 bucks at it steam. Game is fun and a looker visually but it’s gonna die

 

[adamsapple]

Concord isn’t some massive AAA production bro

Firewalk is home to a remarkably talented team of creatives who have launched some of gaming’s most celebrated experiences, and they’re already hard at work on their first original AAA multiplayer game for PlayStation.

Welcoming Firewalk Studios to the PlayStation Studios family

Learn more about this talented team and their plan to connect players in new and innovative ways in their ambitious upcoming multiplayer game.

blog.playstation.com

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Steam users shot up to 607 as I type. Increased 20 people in half an hour.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Welcoming Firewalk Studios to the PlayStation Studios family

Learn more about this talented team and their plan to connect players in new and innovative ways in their ambitious upcoming multiplayer game.

blog.playstation.com

AAA multiplayer game and “massive AAA production” single player game are not the same thing, home slice

 

[clarky]

Welcoming Firewalk Studios to the PlayStation Studios family

Learn more about this talented team and their plan to connect players in new and innovative ways in their ambitious upcoming multiplayer game.

blog.playstation.com

Yeah the production values are top notch ill give it that. The animations on the character select screen are slick AF. Must have cost a pretty penny.

 

[adamsapple]

AAA multiplayer game and “massive AAA production” single player game are not the same thing, home slice

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Welcoming Firewalk Studios to the PlayStation Studios family

Learn more about this talented team and their plan to connect players in new and innovative ways in their ambitious upcoming multiplayer game.

blog.playstation.com

Stfu you ********** little **** fat **** **** of **** ********

 

[adamsapple]

Stfu you ********** little **** fat **** **** of **** ********

Steam users shot up to 607 as I type. Increased 20 people in half an hour.

20 people accidentally double clicked the wrong icon on their desktops.

 

[clarky]

Steam users shot up to 607 as I type. Increased 20 people in half an hour.

It was at 620 just a few moments ago, but i think MeninBoxes launch party just finished.

 

[lmimmfn]

We're so lucky to get this on PC day and date of PS5 Release, thanks Sony!!!

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Yeah the production values are top notch ill give it that. The animations on the character select screen are slick AF. Must have cost a pretty penny.

I agree. The technical aspects of it seem pretty good. Arguably the most polished looking character select screen I've seen in a shooter. Problem is the character art style is a turn off with cringey one liners. And the map visuals (though probably fine technically) have an ugly pastel look to it.

Not too many games have muted colour palettes. No doubt due to it being unappealing. Maybe a random indie game can get away with it as part of the charm. But not in shooters. People want either gritty soldier games, or boldly coloured whiz bang OW or Destiny sci fi art.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

No, just you not understanding basic logic of what I was saying

Do you think concord cost $300M to make?

 

[clarky]

AAA multiplayer game and “massive AAA production” single player game are not the same thing, home slice

What? You high bro?

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

What? You high bro?

Returnal was “AAA” according to Sony

Is that a $300M ND cost to make?

 

[adamsapple]

No, just you not understanding basic logic of what I was saying

Do you think concord cost $300M to make?

I don't know how much Concord cost to make. You don't know how much Concord cost to make.

AAA is a catch-all for games with high budget and production values, the publisher itself describes it as an AAA title. Other than the sheer development budget of the game, those CGI shorts that they put out, and will continue to put out, are not cheap. A studio like Blur costs $1m per minute of CGI. Between all the above and marketing the game, it's a very safe bet that it has cost a very decent amount.

Sony wouldn't outright call it an AAA game themselves otherwise.

 

[Moriarty1889]

Good! Let this be a lesson that woke GAAS trash needs to die a quick death.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

I don't know how much Concord cost to make. You don't know how much Concord cost to make.

AAA is a catch-all for games with high budget and production values, the publisher itself describes it as an AAA title. Other than the sheer development budget of the game, those CGI shorts that they put out, and will continue to put out, are not cheap. A studio like Blur costs $1m per minute of CGI. Between all the above and marketing the game, it's a very safe bet that it has cost a very decent amount.

Sony wouldn't outright call it an AAA game themselves otherwise.

Add in the cost of Sony buying the studio too.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Add in the cost of Sony buying the studio too.

So this years call of duty game cost 70B to make?

Aren’t supposedly in finance? What a joke

 

[adamsapple]

Add in the cost of Sony buying the studio too.

Very good point. Considering this is their first and only project, the acquisition was made solely on the basis of this games pitch.

 

[clarky]

Returnal was “AAA” according to Sony

Is that a $300M ND cost to make?

We can argue what is triple A and what isn't but thats a boring ass conversation.

Fact is Sony themselves called it a AAA game.

I wasn't aware that there are different levels of AAA until tonight.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

So this years call of duty game cost 70B to make?

Aren’t supposedly in finance? What a joke

Big difference.

Activision is still making tons of sales and profits, so the cost of acquisition will hold.

Firewalk (similar to Bungie) is on a giant downhill slope. Their value right now is a fraction of $3.6B (Bungie) and whatever Sony paid to acquire FW. FW might even be shut down after Concord.

 

[Dr. Samuel Hayden]

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

We can argue what is triple A and what isn't but thats a boring ass conversation.

Fact is Sony themselves called it a AAA game.

I wasn't aware that there are different levels of AAA until tonight.

My main point in calling it AAA was cost

 

[adamsapple]

My main point in calling it AAA was cost

The publisher of the game calls it an AAA project.

This point is settled.

Let's move on.

 

[clarky]

My main point in calling it AAA was cost

You don't know what it cost though?

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

You don't know what it cost though?

I know it cost less than Sony’s ND/IG/SP/SSM studios