Creed's Ryan Coogler in talks to direct Black Panther

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higemaru said:
Maybe Marvel has let directors have a little more control with their movies since Gunn & Guardians but I seriously don't know if it even matters what director gets a Marvel movie. They rarely keep any directors with a distinct style and even when they do, the film still feels samey. If a Marvel film would give Coogler carte blanche to do whatever he wants to do next in Hollywood though, he should go for it.
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I think with feige getting more power at marvel this will happen. I think marvel would set requirements but allow the director to do whatever in those boundries
 
I'd be happy with him at the helm of a Marvel project I suppose, but I would rather see what he could do with a DC property.

WB/DC is going to look a bit silly if Disney manages to snatch him up.
 
higemaru said:
Maybe Marvel has let directors have a little more control with their movies since Gunn & Guardians but I seriously don't know if it even matters what director gets a Marvel movie. They rarely keep any directors with a distinct style and even when they do, the film still feels samey. If a Marvel film would give Coogler carte blanche to do whatever he wants to do next in Hollywood though, he should go for it.
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I think Coogler making a faithful adaptation of a Rocky film while putting his own personal spin on it is what is making him attractive to Marvel.
 
SomewhatGroovy said:
It's just great build up towards the inevitable match you two have in the ring. Shit is more hype than Brock and Taker
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There is a reason why Marvel goes after young/new directors. The studio can boss them around because the directors have zero power/clout. Marvel gets good press because they hired someone that made a great movie, but they also get to control every little bit of the film.

I hope this movie turns out well. Because this is more of a risk for Ryan than it is for Marvel.
 
Blastoise said:
There is a reason why Marvel goes after young/new directors. The studio can boss them around because the directors have zero power/clout. Marvel gets good press because they hired someone that made a great movie, but they also get to control every little bit of the film.

I hope this movie turns out well. Because this more of a risk for Ryan than it is for Marvel.
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this aint no noob though. he has the world in front of him now. I would stan hard for this movie if they get Coogler but they better get the hell out of his way too. The stylistic decisions he brought to Creed were so awesome.

One of my favorite movies of the decade already.
 
Discotheque said:
this aint no noob though. he has the world in front of him now. I would stan hard for this movie if they get Coogler but they better get the hell out of his way too. The stylistic decisions he brought to Creed were so awesome.

One of my favorite movies of the decade already.
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Thats what I'm worried about mate. Marvel won't get out of his way. Especially because it will lead into the bigger MCU.
 
yeah i honestly think marvel is one of the worst places to be for interesting talent, it's rarely exploited. people will say james gunn this and james gunn that but the infinity stone scene and much of that third act just felt like every other movie.

but on the other hand I could see WB wanting him to waste his time on a cyborg movie just because the character is black smh. Black Panther is the same but at least it's a more interesting character.

Shouldn't typecast minority directors. It's happening pretty often now. Whatever, get your shine breh. I wish him the best.
 
Really, of all the marvel films the ones I felt suffered due to interference were the 2nd iron man, the second avengers, and the second thor.
 
Discotheque said:
yeah i honestly think marvel is one of the worst places to be for interesting talent, it's rarely exploited. people will say james gunn this and james gunn that but the infinity stone scene and much of that third act just felt like every other movie.

but on the other hand I could see WB wanting him to waste his time on a cyborg movie just because the character is black smh. Black Panther is the same but at least it's a more interesting character.

Shouldn't typecast minority directors. It's happening pretty often now.
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Coogler does great work with characterisation and character driven films. I'd trust him to make Cyborg work on the big screen.

I'd rather have him do Black Panther, but I just don't see Marvel giving him the creative license. We already lost Ava DuVernay because of "creative differences."
 
I'm far more interested in choices like Coogler and Taika Waititi (for Ragnarok) now that Feige doesn't have to answer to Ike Perlmutter.
 
If WB was specifically looking to only keep me happy, they'd let Coogler roll with a Creed sequel or two then bring him to the blockbuster party
 
BronsonLee said:
If WB was specifically looking to only keep me happy, they'd let Coogler roll with a Creed sequel or two then bring him to the blockbuster party
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I think it would be cool if he put out another drama (with michael b jordan da gawd) and then a creed sequel. just mix it up. He's got the chops for it.
 
kodecraft said:
Hm, I thought F. Gary Gray (Straight Outta Compton) was gonna get the opportunity.
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Hollywood's pretty short-term like that. Straight Outta Compton was the talk of the summer....and so he was in negotiations. Now that Creed is getting the buzz coogler is in talks lol.

edit: ah shit forgot about fast and furious.
 
I would have thought Marvel get really nervous with directors and their freedom. Look at Edgar wright and Ava Duvernay was told to go fuck herself cos she was apparently into exploring afro futurism instead of infinity gems or some shit.l
 
I think overvaluing Coogler is a bad move right now too. If he gets his payday and some creative liberties, fine.

I'd still like to see him have more control over his filmography.
 
Frog-fu said:
Coogler does great work with characterisation and character driven films. I'd trust him to make Cyborg work on the big screen.

I'd rather have him do Black Panther, but I just don't see Marvel giving him the creative license. We already lost Ava DuVernay because of "creative differences."
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It wasn't like Ava DuVernay was hired, then let go; she met with them and they had different views of what should be done, which happens all the time. Of the 12 or 13 movies that Marvel has put out, which ones have felt like the director's vision was held back?
 
You'd think Warners would be trying to lock Coogler down after doing what he did w/ Creed.

I could see the man using Marvel's overtures as a means to get a solid development deal at Warners for more money & creative freedom.

Or then again, maybe he really wants to make a badass Black Panther movie.
 
jmood88 said:
It wasn't like Ava DuVernay was hired, then let go; she met with them and they had different views of what should be done, which happens all the time. Of the 12 or 13 movies that Marvel has put out, which ones have felt like the director's vision was held back?
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I believe they did more than just meet with them once. They were in talks for a while, iirc.

Anyhow, Edgar Wright and Antman is obviously a wellknown debacle and we know how that turned out. Antman was fun, but I feel that was most of Wright's writing than anything.

Jon Favreau stepped away from directing after Marvel execs meddled with Iron Man 2. Mickey Rourke (Whiplash) also had some shit to say about that:
[W]hen I did Ivan Vanko in Iron Man, I fought… You know, I explained to Justin Theroux, to the writer, and to [Jon] Favreau, that I wanted to bring some other layers and colors [to the charater], not just make this Russian a complete murderous revenging bad guy. And they allowed me to do that. Unfortunately, the [people] at Marvel just wanted a one-dimensional bad guy, so most of the performance ended up the floor.

[It’s] ****ing too bad, but it’s their loss. If they want to make mindless comic book movies, then I don’t want to be a part of that. I don’t want to have to care so much and work so hard, and then fight them for intelligent reasoning, and just because they’re calling the shots they… You know, I didn’t work for three months on the accent and all the adjustments and go to Russia just so I could end up on the floor. Because that can make somebody say at the end of the day, oh **** ‘em, I’m just going to mail it in. But I’m not that kind of guy. I’m never going to mail it in.

If they let you play the bad guy with other dimensions other than one-dimensional. You have to fight for that though, to bring layers to the character. Otherwise, if you’re working for the wrong studio or let’s say a director that doesn’t have any balls, then they’re just gonna want it to be the evil bad guy. […] So, if you’re working with some good studio guys that got brains and you’re working with a director with a set of nuts that’ll let you incorporate that then it’s fun. Otherwise, you end up with what happened on ‘Iron Man.'
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The way the Thor films have been handled have also bee a bit of cluster fuck at time. Kenneth Branagh elected not to come back for Thor 2 due to creative differences I believe, though I can't be too sure of that cause I also read something about scheduling conflicts which could have been genuine. Regardless of why Branagh didn't return, Patty Jenkins who was tapped next passed on it for creative differences. The guy they got to replace her, Alan Taylor, is quite unhappy with pretty much everything in the theatrical cut because they apparently cut out a lot of Malekith's scenes and put stuff in there he wasn't aware of. I read on another forum he was also annoyed about the Guardians preview for some reason but I haven't read anything on that.

Lastly, regarding the forgotten stepchild of Marvel, Leterrier and Norton had quite different plans for Incredible Hulk but Marvel vetoed them on the length of the cut and a lot of the work they had on the script.
 
Maybe Kevin Feige and his team will offer potential directors like Ryan Coogler more artistic freedom now that they're free of Ike Perlmutter and the Marvel Creative Committee.
 
Bobby Roberts said:
You'd think Warners would be trying to lock Coogler down after doing what he did w/ Creed.

I could see the man using Marvel's overtures as a means to get a solid development deal at Warners for more money & creative freedom.

Or then again, maybe he really wants to make a badass Black Panther movie.
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Spoilers: Creed is really a Black Panther prequel origin story somehow

Frosty Droid said:
Maybe Kevin Feige and his team will offer potential directors like Ryan Coogler more artistic freedom now that they're free of Ike Perlmutter and the Marvel Creative Committee.
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He got the keys to the kingdom for the Rocky franchise and that's held by someone who wrote and played the character for over 40 years
 
Frog-fu said:
I believe they did more than just meet with them once. They were in talks for a while, iirc.

Anyhow, Edgar Wright and Antman is obviously a wellknown debacle and we know how that turned out. Antman was fun, but I feel that was most of Wright's writing than anything.

Jon Favreau stepped away from directing after Marvel execs meddled with Iron Man 2. Mickey Rourke (Whiplash) also had some shit to say about that:


The way the Thor films have been handled have also bee a bit of cluster fuck at time. Kenneth Branagh elected not to come back for Thor 2 due to creative differences I believe, though I can't be too sure of that cause I also read something about scheduling conflicts which could have been genuine. Regardless of why Branagh didn't return, Patty Jenkins who was tapped next passed on it for creative differences. The guy they got to replace her, Alan Taylor, is quite unhappy with pretty much everything in the theatrical cut because they apparently cut out a lot of Malekith's scenes and put stuff in there he wasn't aware of. I read on another forum he was also annoyed about the Guardians preview for some reason but I haven't read anything on that.

Lastly, regarding the forgotten stepchild of Marvel, Leterrier and Norton had quite different plans for Incredible Hulk but Marvel vetoed them on the length of the cut and a lot of the work they had on the script.
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Yeah, so of the dozen movies they've made over the past 7 years, a handful of them have had issues. Kenneth Branaugh didn't leave due to any ill-will and stated that he would have loved to return for Ragnarok. Either way, Marvel has shown more often than not that they're willing to let the directors put their stamp on the movies as long as they stay within the confines of the license, which is the norm with any franchise. The whole "Marvel only wants shooters" thing is overblown.
 
jmood88 said:
Yeah, so of the dozen movies they've made over the past 7 years, a handful of them have had issues. Kenneth Branaugh didn't leave due to any ill-will and stated that he would have loved to return for Ragnarok. Either way, Marvel has shown more often than not that they're willing to let the directors put their stamp on the movies as long as they stay within the confines of the license, which is the norm with any franchise. The whole "Marvel only wants shooters" thing is overblown.
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Directors putting their stamps on the movies isn't the problem, it's doing it the way they feel best serves the film that directors have had issues with Marvel on - and these are just the stories we know about because they were publicised.

Look, you can't argue with success, and Marvel has had a ton of it, but there is enough evidence to suggest Marvel films are more producer driven than anything else. Outside talent either has to get on board or walk, and as history has shown us, some really talented people chose to walk because they just couldn't see eye to eye with Marvel.

Of course the films still all turned out successful, which I would think has only entrenched Marvel further in their process of filmmaking, because you can't argue with success, so I think think that Marvel wanting shooters is overblown. They have reason to keep on believing in their process. We'll still go see their films and they know it.
 
Honestly...does anyone think Coogler can be someone on the level of Scorsese and Kubrick as his career develops

i mean already 2 movies done and both are them critically acclaimed...

he's defintelly the best young director in the game along with Damien Chazelle

Scorsese really didn't kick off until Mean Streets/Taxi Driver which was his 3rd and 4th movie

Kubrick didn't really kick until Spartacus, his 8th film
 
that's super premature speculation. lets just hope these young directors continue to thrive.

i think fukunaga has an even stronger early career. crazy how both of them are from Oakland.
 
The Wright shit is in-fucking-sufferable. Movie has long since released and done great worldwide and people still stay bringing that old news shit up. I support whichever outcome from this situation that won't leave us with a crapton of people trolling future threads about this movie and the MCU directors. Enough is enough for Christs sake.
 
Frog-fu said:
I believe they did more than just meet with them once. They were in talks for a while, iirc.

Anyhow, Edgar Wright and Antman is obviously a wellknown debacle and we know how that turned out. Antman was fun, but I feel that was most of Wright's writing than anything.

Jon Favreau stepped away from directing after Marvel execs meddled with Iron Man 2. Mickey Rourke (Whiplash) also had some shit to say about that:


The way the Thor films have been handled have also bee a bit of cluster fuck at time. Kenneth Branagh elected not to come back for Thor 2 due to creative differences I believe, though I can't be too sure of that cause I also read something about scheduling conflicts which could have been genuine. Regardless of why Branagh didn't return, Patty Jenkins who was tapped next passed on it for creative differences. The guy they got to replace her, Alan Taylor, is quite unhappy with pretty much everything in the theatrical cut because they apparently cut out a lot of Malekith's scenes and put stuff in there he wasn't aware of. I read on another forum he was also annoyed about the Guardians preview for some reason but I haven't read anything on that.

Lastly, regarding the forgotten stepchild of Marvel, Leterrier and Norton had quite different plans for Incredible Hulk but Marvel vetoed them on the length of the cut and a lot of the work they had on the script.
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Kenneth Branag didn't return because he stated he wasn't asked too. Marvel never tapped him for the sequel.
 
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