I don't think the reaction would be so strong if those complaining weren't being so hyperbolic. Everyone understands it's a bug but they can still think people screaming "THIS IS UNPLAYABLE!" are nuts.
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Dark Souls II: Scholar of the First Sin |OT| Your weapons are weak, old man
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I don't think the reaction would be so strong if those complaining weren't being so hyperbolic. Everyone understands it's a bug but they can still think people screaming "THIS IS UNPLAYABLE!" are nuts.
Deified Data
Banned
Alright, regarding this. If you can explain to me why, exactly, corpses subtract twice the durability from your weapon as living targets (either through lore or design theory), I will accept your answer as true and shut up about it.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
Yup. This. It's really a non-issue for me, after playing on console, I didn't even notice it. I used the occasional repair powder, usually later in the game where bonfires are more scarce, but that's it.
It's obviously a bug, but you aren't meant to hit corpses anyway, but again, so what if it's a bug, it's not a game-breaking one? Again, most people wouldn't even notice it.
Personally the most annoying bug for me, that has been present since Demon's, is how ripostes often fail in staircases. It's still there in Bloodborne for crying out loud!
Basically my response as well, durability was never an issue, they give you multiple weapon slots for a reason and even then you dont need to switch up that often. Without the "bug" durability would be entirely pointless, like it is in Bloodborne for example.
I played the vanilla game on PC and got to No Man's Wharf before I stopped and now I'm confused about all these durability issues I keep hearing. I always had 2 weapons with me, but they repair every bonfire and there are a fuckton of bonfires. I mean yeahs it's a dumb bug they need to fix, but those saying it makes the game unplayable are being a bit ridiculous.
I am not blowing anything out of proportion.
My weapon breaks on the way to a boss, from killing the guys along the way.
Someone earlier said I was spreading rumours, then made a video to prove me wrong, and he ended up not being able too, and admitted there was a problem with durability.
There is an issue with durability. Its fair that its shitty enough to turn people off buying the game. I'm still on the fence myself, I think I'm going to return it, and pick it up later.
Its insulting when people like you act like I am lying or misleading others. I am posting what I am because its what I am experiencing. Its shitty that I cant do that here without being told to git gud, or I'm a full of it.
I love Souls games. Massive fan of them. I know its hard, and challenging, and unforgiving. This isnt my first rodeo.
I dunno if that's a bug so much as they just didn't seem to design the combat system to work on severe inclines. That's why it's really easy to fight enemies on stairs because their swings never take into account an angle. My preferred method for fighting giant enemies because most of their swings go over my head and I hit their feet.
Is the vanilla version worth getting? Visually speaking. It looks really good modded from videos. Does this version looks better?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Mv5fUWOxrU
Also, is there a texture pack for vanilla? I know the first one does and it looks quite good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Mv5fUWOxrU
Also, is there a texture pack for vanilla? I know the first one does and it looks quite good.
QueenOfThorns
Member
I'll give that a shot, thanks.
Also holy crap, already level 25 from beating the lower tower of flame boss.
Deified Data
Banned
Not everyone.
And that's just in this thread.
Yes. Weapons degrade twice as fast when contacting corpses as they fall to the ground, for reasons.
It's not even the bug, so much as the people who deny its existence (those people are objectively wrong) or those who say it's a feature (god i hope those people are wrong). So in otherwords, not you (since you clearly see it's an issue).
I intend to buy SotFS, which will be the third time I've bought the game. I'd tell anyone else to do the same. But I don't think skirting around this issue is really helping anyone. I don't think it's petty to hope that From eventually fixes it. A lot of people disagree with that, for whatever reason.
Just doing a quick search through the thread, the only people mentioning "unplayable" are the people who are telling others to stop saying it. Which is...weird.
JudgmentJay
Member
Same for me. I played for ~300 hours on PC and I had my weapon break maybe twice?
AWizardDidIt
Member
To create a disincentive people swinging at corpses or mashing attacks at enemies. To make durability be a resource that matters but rewarding good play by trivializing it.
That's a design theory. Might not be a great one, but there you have it
But seriously I have no horse in this race. I never personally experienced durability as a problem in DS2 but I'm not willing to completely dismiss those who are having problems with it. I feel like at the very least durability probably needs to be buffed on some early game items maybe?
Use a second weapon. Sure, everyone has their favourite but if this is the game's attempt at forcing you to change up your playstyle, why is that so bad?
Also, according to another poster, you missed a bonfire on your boss run. If they were wrong about that, then fair enough. I still think that it's a minor issue though. It's not like DkS2 is short on loot drops, especially for weapons.
SymbiantXenos
Member
Last giant down.
Then use on of your other weapons? While its certainly a bug you're blowing it out of proportion and arguably trying to do it all with one weapon is playing the game "wrong"
Just doing a quick search through the thread, the only people mentioning "unplayable" are the people who are telling others to stop saying it. Which is...weird.[/QUOTE]
Guess you missed some, just looking ath the last page. Which is...weird:
Deified Data
Banned
Did a keyword search for "unplayable" and reported my results.
Does "this was bad enough to make me stop playing" necessarily equal "unplayable"? You'd have to ask him. There's lots of reasons that would make someone stop playing a game like DS2. That doesn't necessarily mean someone's calling it "unplayable".
See, I'm seeing posts calling out hyperbole by calling the game "unplayable" resort to hyperbole themselves by putting hyperbolic words in people's mouths. This is dumb.
ichtyander
Member
As I understand it, it happens all the time, hitting anything really. Hitting walls and especially dead bodies gives more drastic results, but the bug is there the whole time because of the doubled framerate (60 fps vs 30 fps), that's how I've always understood it anyway.
I don't really know how the damage system works in DS2, the very code I mean, but it looks something like the damage is calculated per frame, so 1 frame of the weapon hitting a living enemy, dying ragdoll enemy, dead body or a wall receives a set amount of calculated durability reduction, depending on various factors and modifiers for the weapon and the character stats. The devs have fine tuned these calculations to work as intended at 30 fps. The PC version works at 60 fps thus the number of frames a weapon travels through an object is doubled. This doesn't necessarily have to mean that the durability reduction is exactly doubled, but it's most definitely increased drastically.
They added the durability reduction when hitting ragdolls and dead bodies to penalize button mashing, forcing you to carefully execute every hit. As I understand it, the same thing happens on consoles (never played it on them) but the penalty isn't as drastic.
It's a similar issue (though inverted) to versus fighting games like SF4. Every move has a set number of frames and it's crucial that you perfectly time your moves to execute combos, at 60 fps. If your rig isn't good enough, the game will have frame drops and make executing combos much harder or impossible (I might be wrong on all of this).
In any case, it seems to me that From Software made DS2 with these frame calculations in mind at 30 fps, without any planning on making the game work at higher fps. And as to why they haven't just increased durability on all weapons (or reduced penalty for that matter) I don't know. Maybe there's all kinds of stuff happening in the code during the calculations that might screw up other things, or it's just too problematic to have two sets of balancing stats in their production pipeline, I don't really know.
Only one of those quotes is suggesting this isn't a bug (and it seems like a joke at that).
We all understand it's a bug. Most people don't care and some of us like the unintentional results. If From felt it was a big deal and were unhappy with it, it would have been fixed on PC ages ago.
Spiritreaver
Member
Zzzz another page another set of 20 durability posts. MY SANITY IS AT RISK!!!
Anyway the new coop limit is hilarious. For fun on the first boss I grabbed a few guys and it was just chaos really. Two people got stomped by the giant right at the start while another guy was running around like a headless chicken.
I'm not really sure what the point of raising it was, they added another invader slot right?
Anyway the new coop limit is hilarious. For fun on the first boss I grabbed a few guys and it was just chaos really. Two people got stomped by the giant right at the start while another guy was running around like a headless chicken.
I'm not really sure what the point of raising it was, they added another invader slot right?
AWizardDidIt
Member
YOU DIED
Deified Data
Banned
I've solo'd the bosses in DS2 enough. In SotFS I'm going to amass an army for every boss just because I can. It'll be sublime.
Collateral22
Member
Completely skipped this, will pick it up after a NG+ run on BB.
QueenOfThorns
Member
You can like the durability thing or whatever but good lord, I killed the enemies from the creek bonfire at the Forest Of Fallen Giants, climbed the ladder, killed the enemies there, and now it's at risk of breaking lol.
I feel like I'm renting these weapons. Should have made this version Free to play, microtransactions for 5 more swings $1.99
I do like the change of enemies there that won't trigger unless you run around and get them all at once.
I feel like I'm renting these weapons. Should have made this version Free to play, microtransactions for 5 more swings $1.99
I do like the change of enemies there that won't trigger unless you run around and get them all at once.
ZeroMaverick
Member
This has probably been asked and answered a million times, but I am REALLY REALLY enjoying Bloodborne. Should I get this?
I played the first Dark Souls, but I got distracted from it when the PS4 came out. I was enjoying it but not as much as Bloodborne.
I played the first Dark Souls, but I got distracted from it when the PS4 came out. I was enjoying it but not as much as Bloodborne.
QueenOfThorns
Member
My advice would be to play Demon's/Dark Souls 1 first, then definitely come to this.
Deified Data
Banned
Depends on what you like about Bloodborne.
AWizardDidIt
Member
Finish Dark Souls 1. Then you should absolutely get this.
I never understand this. These games in terms of how they play - while sharing the same DNA - are still so different than playing one out of order of the others isn't really a problem.
ZeroMaverick
Member
I just love the atmosphere and sense of mystery. I like feeling accomplished when I figure something out or kill a huge enemy. I like not knowing what the hell to do next. But Bloodborne is pretty linear. I'm guessing Souls is not?
Yeah, I do have the copy sitting on my shelf. I just don't like dusting off my PS3, and since I stopped in the middle, I'd have to start all the way over again. Not sure if I want to do that.
Plus: GRAFFIX
QueenOfThorns
Member
Coming from Bloodborne, I feel like Demon's/Dark Souls 1 will be a bit easier to get into than dark Souls 2. dark Souls 2 feels really slow at the start because you have very little agility. In Demon's (and I THINK 1) your character moves a bit faster. That's my reasoning. They use like the same exact engine and stuff too for how your character moves and stuff. Dark Souls 2 uses a slightly different one so it will feel "off" compared to Dark/Demon's/BB until you get used to it.
CyberPunked
Member
FromSoft nabsolutely love ambient occlusion, so they've added a lot of that. Also the motionblur and depth of feild is much nicer.
CyberPunked
Member
Is the Drangleic Sword still worth it?
Tarkus
Member
Good sword but upgrades with Twinkling Titanite, which is a pain in the ass to scrounge up early in the game... Hell, for all the game. The Claymore is much better and can be gotten early given that you can get a Fragrant Branch of Yore.
I mean if you're DEX focused, then maybe it's a better option.
CyberPunked
Member
Thanks, not played the game in a while. Do you select like 3 skills that you're going to level up?
Jin
Member
Just wanted to add that I, too, am noticing my weapon durability goes down faster than the DX9 version. My broadsword got the "at risk" message before I reach the second bonfire in forest level. I haven't gotten far enough to test other weapons and I'm hoping it's just that sword. I didn't really mind this durability bug in DX9 version. I maybe used one or two repair powder throughout the whole game. But if the DX11 has it going down faster and I'm forced to use 2-3 weapons then it's just a pain in the ass that I can do without.
How do I get the claymore earlier? That was my weapon of choice in vanilla
Has it been nerfed in this version at all? I used it pretty much through my first playthrough last time, hits very hard.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
Is dark souls 2 the one with the awesome looking fire sword from the Spider lady boss or was that dark souls 1? It's all a blur
Dark Souls.
Tarkus
Member
If you're playing melee, then everything but ATN, INT, and FTH are important with VGR, END, STR and DEX needing the most attention. ADP is great too for i-frames, but you can get by if you're shield player early in the game.
Is dark souls 2 the one with the awesome looking fire sword from the Spider lady boss or was that dark souls 1? It's all a blur
never got the appeal of that sword.
it's a freaking spider leg.
It's certainly got more visual variety than BB, even if the levels aren't anywhere near as intricately designed in that wonderful looping back in on themselves sort of way (barring the boss shortcuts).
And yeah, I loved the look of the game even on release. It's gorgeous on PC. Almost tempted to get the new release but I've played it to death already, DLC included...