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[Tragicomedy]

You also said better than Burnham, tho.

Nope. Not trying to play the semantics game here, but I didn't say that. I legitimately thought that was Quitely art, and am disturbed to think that someone else is mimicking that style. I'd rather another Greg Land tracer than a Quitely clone.

I'm more surprised that a fellow comic book artist would riff off his style, or even look to him as an influence. You'd be better off tracing porn starts a la Greg Land.

I don't know Burnham's work well enough to label him as worse than Land. I'd have to pick up his stuff and see how it holds up for me so I can judge him on his own right. Google image search isn't being very kind to him, and I'm seeing a ton of similarities to Quitely, but that's a small sample size out of context.

No. Quietly's faces are garbage and I dislike them passionately, but at least Quietly's art is fun to read. Land is boring as fuck. He does nothing interesting.

Yeah the pros of Quitely's art vastly outweighs some fugly facacial expressions for me

Those are fair opinions. I can understand someone recognizing he does shit faces but liking the other elements of his work. I will definitely say his work has a lot more character than Land's does. For me, that character comes with a lot more cons than pros, but I'm huge on faces in comics. In any dialogue scene they become the focal point for me, and I can't stare at lumpy faces. Too many other artists nail faces for me to give him a pass.

I can't understand how Quitely gets mentioned among the greats when we have folks like Rafael Albuquerque and Fiona Staples killing it every month.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

TC, you need to calm down, dude. I was half-kidding to start with, and I wasn't talking about Quitely being good. You said Burnham was worse because he was aping his style. That's what I was responding to in a non-serious way. I didn't mean to make you explode into a Quitely tirade; if you haven't noticed, I stay as far as possible away from any Quitely discussion. That shit is just toxic.

In any case, sorry. Damn.

 

[GrandHarrier]

so like a reboot scenario where theres two enzos flosting around?

That deep ReBoot cut.

 

[MartyStu]

Not True, Tynion has already said he has plans for her.

Yeah?

Which books is Tynion writing in Rebirth?

I would welcome her back, but there are already so many members of the extended family left aimless and without purpose.

I mean:

Batman
Robin

Red Robin
Nightwing
Batgirl
Red Hood

Batwoman
Batwing

Spoiler
Bluebird
Orphan

Duke

This is a bit much. And I did not even mention the Carrie Kelly bomb sitting and waiting for a writer to detonate.

 

[Tragicomedy]

TC, you need to calm down, dude. I was half-kidding to start with, and I wasn't talking about Quitely being good. You said Burnham was worse because he was aping his style. That's what I was responding to in a non-serious way. I didn't mean to make you explode into a Quitely tirade; if you haven't noticed, I stay as far as possible away from any Quitely discussion. That shit is just toxic.

In any case, sorry. Damn.

Posting, "Your opinions suck, bro" is hardly conducive to anything, but you know that already.

I'm perfectly calm, and respect anyone's opinion on the manner, regardless of how different it is from mine. It's fine if people want to debate the merits of art, I'm always up for it.

 

[Discotheque]

Yeah the pros of Quitely's art vastly outweighs some fugly facacial expressions for me

forreal. his faces are disgusting but he has immense amount of detail in his panels, it's really impressive. his art makes me sick and impressed at the same time.

 

[flaxknuckles]

Greg Land and Frank Quietly's art both belong in a dumpster fire. There, argument settled.

 

[Cetra]

Eh, Quietly's strength is in his command of sequential art. Yeah his faces can look pretty bizarre sometimes but my eyes never get confused on how they should flow through a page of his artwork. It's a skill a lot of comic artists should focus more on IMO.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

Posting, "Your opinions suck, bro" is hardly conducive to anything, but you know that already.

Neither is coming in here to shit on Quitely or other artists people like, but at least I was kidding.

 

[Escape Goat]

Quietly makes everyone look doughey.

 

[Vic_Viper]

Why is everyone in here talking about Quietly all of a sudden? Was he announced on a book?

I loved his work on Batman & Robin but it's like night and day compared to his New X-Men work.

 

[KoruptData]

So who is excited about a Rob Williams Suicide Squad run? I didn't read MM so I really don't know how good of a writer he is but I seem to remember a few liking the MM run.

 

[tim1138]

So who is excited about a Rob Williams Suicide Squad run? I didn't read MM so I really don't know how good of a writer he is but I seem to remember a few liking the MM run.

Martian Manhunter is good and super weird, but I dunno how that translates to writing SS. The biggest thing for that book is getting the tone right, which the N52 iterations constantly failed to do (I haven't read Seeley's run, so it might be good).

 

[KonradLaw]

DC's magic side was great, I was hoping a big focus of rebirth would be improving that side. Now they're just down to Hellblazer.

Even though Rich Johnston is pretty much a clickbait blogger, I liked his idea that Vertigo would return to it's original 80's/90's incarnation, focusing on more obscure characters.

Yeah. A little thin for now, but at least it looks like Hellblazer is returning to old self. New 52 has been pretty nice for magical side.Loved SwampThing (both the series and mini), Constantine: Hellblazer was fun too and Gotham by Midnight gave me a fresh and scary take on Spectre. Still have to check Doctor Fate.

But yeah, I would love return to separate Vertigo line. Between new Sandman and Lucifer that part of universe is still breating, so there's hope they might restore it one day.

 

[MHWilliams]

I've kept up some with the mainstream Batman comic, but that's about it in terms of the Bat family. What's the deal with all the damn Robins? Shit is confusing, fam.

Okay, New 52 timeline, all the Robins existed within five years:

-Dick Grayson's parents die, he begins training with Batman. He chooses the name Robin based on his mother's love of the bird. Eventually, he gets salty and leaves Batman to become Nightwing. He seems to be the longest serving Robin, getting at least 2 of the 5 years in.

-Jason Todd is the more militant Robin, with more armor in his costume than the others. He seems to get around a year as Robin, before he goes to find his mother, finds the Joker instead, and gets blown up. Talia brings him back to life and he gets trained by the All Caste to become a monk assassin whatsitz. WITH GUNS!

-Tim Drake was a rich kid genius who takes to trying to find Batman's secret identity for fun. He keeps getting closer, eventually Batman says "Fuck it", and reveals his secret identity. He offers the Robin mantle to Drake, but Drake is all like, "Dude, the body is still warm on Jason Todd", so he decides to be Red Robin instead. He gets angry with Batman and straight up quits the hero game until Teen Titans.

-Damien Wayne's timeline is rather intact. The son of Talia and Bruce, he's a bit of a dick, but he's also a trained assassin. He's also like 10 years old and 4 feet tall.

Now they're all Robros.

Spoiler was never Robin in the new timeline.

 

[Escape Goat]

Nu52 Robin is a mess. Tim Drake got screwed over hard.

 

[Effect]

I never understood why they settled 5 years when it came to the New 52. That's way to small of a time period to try and say so much happen. These characters aren't superheroes 24/7. They do have personal lives and even then villains don't villain every single day. They have downtime as well.

 

[MartyStu]

I never understood why they settled 5 years when it came to the New 52. That's way to small of a time period to try and say so much happen. These characters aren't superheroes 24/7. They do have personal lives and even then villains don't villain every single day. They have downtime as well.

I think it is best to just ignore that silly time period.

It has made my life a lot easier.

 

[KoruptData]

Martian Manhunter is good and super weird, but I dunno how that translates to writing SS. The biggest thing for that book is getting the tone right, which the N52 iterations constantly failed to do (I haven't read Seeley's run, so it might be good).

What themes should a Suicide Squad story involve. Every time someone ask what the definite run of SS is, they go with the Ostrander run. It's hard to believe that no one has been able to beat that run in all the years since its been out.

 

[Inferno313]

I think it is best to just ignore that silly time period.

It has made my life a lot easier.

I think Scott Snyder has even said that he doesn't care about that timeline a whole lot, no?

 

[Tragicomedy]

Okay, New 52 timeline, all the Robins existed within five years:

So this post is fantastic. I'll see what Rebirth brings, but I like the Grayson/Nightwing stuff enough to say he's my favorite of the bunch. Damien being a distant second, and the other two whatever.

 

[Adnor]

I thought Batman timeline was 10 years instead of 5, but it has been 5 years since the world knows about him or something like that?

 

[Poodlestrike]

What themes should a Suicide Squad story involve. Every time someone ask what the definite run of SS is, they go with the Ostrander run. It's hard to believe that no one has been able to beat that run in all the years since its been out.

On phone atm, but: nobody since has TOUCHED Ostrander's level writing Squad. Forreal.

I thought Batman timeline was 10 years instead of 5, but it has been 5 years since the world knows about him or something like that?

I think 10 too. It was 5 when JL started, but then there was a 5 year timeskip.

 

[MHWilliams]

I thought Batman timeline was 10 years instead of 5, but it has been 5 years since the world knows about him or something like that?

Depends on the book? Like others have said, it's a bit of nonsense.

 

[jackdoe]

Depends on the book? Like others have said, it's a bit of nonsense.

Officially, that's what they write down on paper. Like Scott Snyder's Zero Year gave it an official 5 year career in writing. But in practice, he and other writers just ignore it and give Batman and the other Robins, relationships that feel like they've been formed over a period of 10 to 15 years. So they just don't care.

 

[ElBoxyBrown]

And he's swole enough to hurt Supergirl now too

He's not addicted to venom anymore.

 

[tim1138]

What themes should a Suicide Squad story involve. Every time someone ask what the definite run of SS is, they go with the Ostrander run. It's hard to believe that no one has been able to beat that run in all the years since its been out.

Hard to believe, but it's true, Ostrander's run is the gold standard that no other run has touched. The closest anyone has come was Simone's pre N52 Secret Six, that was a damn good book.

Despite the name, the team needs to be more than just cannon fodder, they should be fleshed out characters you root for. When one of them dies, it should have an impact, even Waller should be affected by it. Suicide Squad shouldn't be a torture porn ultraviolent book (like Adam Glass' run) but that doesn't mean it should be the wacky adventures of Harley and friends either. It's a character driven book that should make you invested in the success of the bad guys, except Boomer of course, he should always be comedy relief.

 

[Poodlestrike]

Hard to believe, but it's true, Ostrander's run is the gold standard that no other run has touched. The closest anyone has come was Simone's pre N52 Secret Six, that was a damn good book.

Despite the name, the team needs to be more than just cannon fodder, they should be fleshed out characters you root for. When one of them dies, it should have an impact, even Waller should be affected by it. Suicide Squad shouldn't be a torture porn ultraviolent book (like Adam Glass' run) but that doesn't mean it should be the wacky adventures of Harley and friends either. It's a character driven book that should make you invested in the success of the bad guys, except Boomer of course, he should always be comedy relief.

Pretty much this.

Ostrander's run is notable for what it doesn't do as much as it does. It's never needlessly violent or cruel. It's got its share of dark humor, but it's also surprisingly lighthearted in places (the Mystery Piethrower). All of the characters are interesting and well-developed, nobody's flat or one-note. Deadshot stands out especially.

And, of course, Boomerang Must Suffer. Because he deserves it.

 

[Jorok Goldblade]

I never understood why they settled 5 years when it came to the New 52. That's way to small of a time period to try and say so much happen. These characters aren't superheroes 24/7. They do have personal lives and even then villains don't villain every single day. They have downtime as well.

5 years since superheroes started showing up. Batman went public around then, but his urban legend phase extends before the 5 year timeframe.

 

[Schweinehund]

Not a fan of either Davidson or Quietly.

Spoiler

But I like Ed McGuinness.

Yeah. A little thin for now, but at least it looks like Hellblazer is returning to old self. New 52 has been pretty nice for magical side.Loved SwampThing (both the series and mini), Constantine: Hellblazer was fun too and Gotham by Midnight gave me a fresh and scary take on Spectre. Still have to check Doctor Fate.

But yeah, I would love return to separate Vertigo line. Between new Sandman and Lucifer that part of universe is still breating, so there's hope they might restore it one day.

I still have to check out demon knights and phantom stranger, I heard those were both great.

 

[jackdoe]

5 years since superheroes started showing up. Batman went public around then, but his urban legend phase extends before the 5 year timeframe.

That was the plan when they first started the new 52, but they retconned it so that Batman started out at about the same time. Zero Year has a pretty definitive "6 years ago".

 

[KoruptData]

After reading JLA #8 (2015-2016), I'm very confident with Hitch taking over Justice League. The Rao story has been great so far.

 

[MartyStu]

After reading JLA #8 (2015-2016), I'm very confident with Hitch taking over Justice League. The Rao story has been great so far.

The first 2 - 3 issues were pretty poor. I cannot imagine he got significantly better after that.

 

[exmachina64]

That was the plan when they first started the new 52, but they retconned it so that Batman started out at about the same time. Zero Year has a pretty definitive "6 years ago".

So would we say that only one year has passed since the start of the New 52?

 

[flaxknuckles]

After reading JLA #8 (2015-2016), I'm very confident with Hitch taking over Justice League. The Rao story has been great so far.

Just as long as he doesn't draw anything we're good.

 

[The Adder]

So this post is fantastic. I'll see what Rebirth brings, but I like the Grayson/Nightwing stuff enough to say he's my favorite of the bunch. Damien being a distant second, and the other two whatever.

There is a reason that Tim Drake still holds the record for longest running solo book amongst his peers.

(That reason is because he was the best Robin)

 

[Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!]

The first 2 - 3 issues were pretty poor. I cannot imagine he got significantly better after that.

He did.

 

[jackdoe]

So would we say that only one year has passed since the start of the New 52?

The only thing I know is that they have a firm five years since the formation of the Justice League set in stone. Any passage of time after that falls under comic book time rules.

But man is the timeline a mess. Most notably, Grant Morrison's definitive "history" of Superman during the set in stone five years is a doozy, with time being non-linear and all events occurring at the same time. Like, I think Superman died once in the new 52, just not sure when, how it occurred, what exactly happened, and if it wasn't a 5th dimension mindfuck.

 

[MHWilliams]

There is a reason that Tim Drake still holds the record for longest running solo book amongst his peers.

(That reason is because he was the best Robin)

Best Robin. Best Batman. Best hero.

 

[The Adder]

Best Robin. Best Batman. Best hero.

Dick was a terrible character as Robin until his waning years. He only really came into his own as a character once he started getting away from Bruce.

Also Red Nightwing is an awful look. Shame on you.

 

[Poodlestrike]

After reading JLA #8 (2015-2016), I'm very confident with Hitch taking over Justice League. The Rao story has been great so far.

It has, hasn't it? Very, very readable JL story. Big baddie, interesting twists, explosive fights. Not on Darkseid War's tier, but DW is like a Crisis event somebody managed to contain in one book, so that's not really a fair comparison.

Oh, and the way the artist draws Rao and Superman's throwdowns is incredible.

Dick was a terrible character as Robin until his waning years. He only really came into his own as a character once he started getting away from Bruce.

Also Red Nightwing is an awful look. Shame on you.

Yeah, we have a wonderful Dick pic right in the OP.

Wait.

 

[BaraSailey]

There is a reason that Tim Drake still holds the record for longest running solo book amongst his peers.

(That reason is because he was the best Robin)

True words right here. Tim's Robin solo series is the reason I really started getting into comics. Dick was a good Robin, definitely second best, but I feel his character really started to shine after becoming Nightwing.

 

[Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!]

The only thing I know is that they have a firm five years since the formation of the Justice League set in stone. Any passage of time after that falls under comic book time rules.

But man is the timeline a mess. Most notably, Grant Morrison's definitive "history" of Superman during the set in stone five years is a doozy, with time being non-linear and all events occurring at the same time. Like, I think Superman died once in the new 52, just not sure when, how it occurred, what exactly happened, and if it wasn't a 5th dimension mindfuck.

God bless Morrison. He tries to tie all the continuities together but most of the time it just makes shit more confusing. He did it with his "everything is now in continuity" thing during his Batman run too.

 

[TheFlow]

YAAAAS. also liked the red. man was rocking blue for years. red was a nice switch it up. gave off batman beyond vibes.

hands down my favorite nightwing cover from his recent run

 

[jackdoe]

God bless Morrison. He tries to tie all the continuities together but most of the time it just makes shit more confusing. He did it with his "everything is now in continuity" thing during his Batman run too.

I loved how abstract it was. But Morrison really only did it because DC was peddling the whole, "We've rebooted, but all stories still count. Don't ask us how they fit, we don't know," deal, so he took it to heart and really did make all past stories count. Even though there's no way they should have occurred.

 

[MHWilliams]

Also Red Nightwing is an awful look. Shame on you.

It's all they give me anymore.

Well, until Rebirth.

 

[aly]

God bless Morrison. He tries to tie all the continuities together but most of the time it just makes shit more confusing. He did it with his "everything is now in continuity" thing during his Batman run too.

Morrison should be ashamed of bringing back red haired Jason Todd though.

Also Dick was better as Nightwing/ Batman/ Agent 37 than as Robin.

 

[KoruptData]

It has, hasn't it? Very, very readable JL story. Big baddie, interesting twists, explosive fights. Not on Darkseid War's tier, but DW is like a Crisis event somebody managed to contain in one book, so that's not really a fair comparison.

Oh, and the way the artist draws Rao and Superman's throwdowns is incredible.



Yeah, we have a wonderful Dick pic right in the OP.

Wait.

I didn't know who Hitch was until the announcement that he was coming to DC to do the JLA book. His reputation was as an artist, not a writer. In my experience, this does not usually translate to a good book in my short time with comics. So it's been surprising to enjoy it as mush as I have. The way he arranges his panels for story/fights is up there with the best I've seen, every panel is a natural progression from the previous which allows for a seamless movie to play in your head. I really appreciate his layouts.

 

[shinshoryuken]

Best Robin. Best Batman. Best hero.

I thought this was already a known fact.

 

[BKatastrophe]

I never understood why they settled 5 years when it came to the New 52. That's way to small of a time period to try and say so much happen. These characters aren't superheroes 24/7. They do have personal lives and even then villains don't villain every single day. They have downtime as well.

The Green Lantern timeline makes the least sense out of all of them

Best Robin. Best Batman. Best hero.

Can we be friends?