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DC Rebirth |OT| It's not a reboot, and it always was [SPOILERS for Rebirth #1]
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BenjaminBirdie
Banned
The Anarky arc is pretty cool. Issues 35-40. Also the stuff after is more about Gordon Bats so if you've caught up with that stuff, it may be worth checking out.
The early Action books by Morrison don't really feel like Morrison books. They're not as strange or ambitious as he typically is. I found them boring, and when they came out the initial reception was fairly positive and dropped quickly. I think some people assumed that because it was Morrison they would be good and gave them a chance and then eventually were disappointed.
Bear Force One
Banned
One of the very best single issues I've ever read.
Read whatever interests you. Some books will have more to do with the events than Rebirth than others, but don't let they be the reason you pick something up. Every book right now it's a jumping on point so just pick up whatever you want. Green Arrow is the stand out book so far. I really enjoyed Batman too.
Tragicomedy
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New Rebirth comics are up on Comixology.
The art in The Flash #1 ranges from okay to absolute garbage. Mainly the latter. Very disappointed with the bodies and faces on several pages. Story was alright.
The art in The Flash #1 ranges from okay to absolute garbage. Mainly the latter. Very disappointed with the bodies and faces on several pages. Story was alright.
pock3tmonster
Banned
Out of curiosity, what did you think of the art in the Rebirth one-shot?
Wonder Woman is top tier, but it feels weird to have Steve and Etta essentially rebooted after playing big roles in the dcu for the past few years.
I can't agree with the flash art it was right up my alley, the writing was on point. Really liked the voice Williamson has given wally.
I can't agree with the flash art it was right up my alley, the writing was on point. Really liked the voice Williamson has given wally.
Batman 1 sold 350k according to Tom King on an episode of Word Balloon.
RepairmanJack
Member
About time one of his books sells.
Good god.
LordOfLore
Banned
Jesus, that's much higher than the last big solo seller of this year(Black Panther IIRC).
Roland_Gunner
Member
Its a huge number, especially considering the low number of variants. Most books that sell over 300K have tons of variants to inflate the total. Batman #1 have two covers and then some huge stores could get a unique cover if they hit a threshold (1k copies maybe?).
Tragicomedy
Member
Very inconsistent. Parts I really enjoyed, some was pay weak. But overall, it didn't distract me too much from the story.
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
god damn
rebirth is demolishing mainstream comics. this is the best it's been since the OG marvel now
rebirth is demolishing mainstream comics. this is the best it's been since the OG marvel now
Tragicomedy
Member
Cross posting from comics GAF.
Rebirth Reviews (spoiler free)
Action Comics #958 - ★★ - It's becoming clear this book is going to favor large-scale action scenes and combat over character development and story. I'm fine with that, but the biggest con is everything ends up feeling rushed. We have no further insight into who some of that characters are or their motivations. Based on the status at the end of this issue, we can probably expect at least one more book without a single piece of explanation and that's a shame.
Detective Comics #935 - ★★★ - Training, yo! A bit of a filler issue, but I'm still in board with the overall direction here. I like the personality differences here, and think it will set things up nicely for the team dynamic for the series. A much better pace at the ending then the beginning, so next book should be great.
The Flash #1 - ★★ - Let's get this out of the way: the art is bad. Really bad. Sometimes it's even terrible. Other times, you might be able to ignore it. But it sucks, and I have no idea WTF DC is doing putting the equivalent of my uncle Steve on pencils. This is a flagship book and the art is worse than most web comics. The story was decent, but we've been down this road a million times with Flash. It's a strange world we live in when I get a more enjoyable Flash experience from the CW than comics, but that's where things sit.
Rebirth Reviews (spoiler free)
Action Comics #958 - ★★ - It's becoming clear this book is going to favor large-scale action scenes and combat over character development and story. I'm fine with that, but the biggest con is everything ends up feeling rushed. We have no further insight into who some of that characters are or their motivations. Based on the status at the end of this issue, we can probably expect at least one more book without a single piece of explanation and that's a shame.
Detective Comics #935 - ★★★ - Training, yo! A bit of a filler issue, but I'm still in board with the overall direction here. I like the personality differences here, and think it will set things up nicely for the team dynamic for the series. A much better pace at the ending then the beginning, so next book should be great.
The Flash #1 - ★★ - Let's get this out of the way: the art is bad. Really bad. Sometimes it's even terrible. Other times, you might be able to ignore it. But it sucks, and I have no idea WTF DC is doing putting the equivalent of my uncle Steve on pencils. This is a flagship book and the art is worse than most web comics. The story was decent, but we've been down this road a million times with Flash. It's a strange world we live in when I get a more enjoyable Flash experience from the CW than comics, but that's where things sit.
Your over exaggerating the art on the Flash. O enjoyed the fast paced scratchy style that reminds of Scott Collins or some of the 90s wally stuff.
RepairmanJack
Member
I haven't read the actual issue yet, but I really liked the style of the Flash 1 preview. I liked the mix between the sketch style art and the graphical speed stuff. My opinion may change once I finally read it though...
BaraSailey
Member
Just read the new 'Tec, and loved it more than the first. Training was awesome, and Tim challenging Batwoman's authority was great. I also loved the scene between
Tynion's also starting to mend things between
, which I love, but I still wish we could've just forgotten the N52 stuff with Tim for the most part and gone back to his old backstory. This seems fine as well, but I just hate that they keep saying Tim kept Batman at arm's length. Old Tim was never like that.
Steph and Tim at her place; I was happy to see they're together again.
Bruce and Tim
Elaugaufein
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They were a bit alienated from around Identity Crisis / War Games up until OYL (and even a bit then since Tim was busy hiding his clone cloning project). And Tim was always much more professional than the other Robins to some extent but he wasnt what you'd call distant exactly (he seemed to understand Batman more than even Dick in some ways and took Bruce's "death" super hard (and correctly figured Bruce wasn't dead faster than the others).
They can't really change the back story midway though since Tim's been in Teen Titans (and part of that hinges on him and Batman being distantish ) and that series continues for a few more months, so all they can do is sand the edges down a bit.
Tyrion seems to be doing the best he can with what he's got.
They're probably eating people or some shit
RepairmanJack
Member
There's going to be a GL/Batman crossover?
Poodlestrike
Banned
Probably symbolic tbh
Matrix
LeBron loves his girlfriend. There is no other woman in the world hed rather have. The problem is, Dwyanes not a woman.
It shouldn't change if you liked it before cause that's how it's drawn through the whole comic.
I happen to think it fits the Flash well, but that's me.
"This is a flagship book and the art is worse than most web comics."
I can see how some readers wouldn't care for this art style. I know that's your opinion, but that's kinda extreme hyperbole.
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
Elaugaufein
Member
Maybe but there's the
implication of Gotham being out of the picture too, which does suggest a level of vulnerability
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
BaraSailey
Member
Yeah, I know. I just miss the old Tim, but Tynion is definitely doing great with what he's got and this is the best Tim's been written in a good while. Characterization has been top notch in this title so far for everyone, and I love it. This is definitely my favorite Rebirth title.
LordOfLore
Banned
Agreed. At least they are trying to fix Tim though. I do kinda hate
how quickly him and Steph got together though
Roland_Gunner
Member
Red Flash #1 and the art was a great fit for kinetic scenes like the house fire but was too loose when the focus was on characters. Really top artists are willing to vary their styles to fit the scene but its pretty clear that Di Giandomenico was focused, ironically, on going fast enough to meet the publishing schedule.
Bear Force One
Banned
The art in The Flash is more kinetic and fitting to the character than it's been in years. Love it.
Tragicomedy
Member
I'm over exaggerating my opinion? Okay. I posted a few examples in the main comic thread. Art is terrible, with nonexistent details on basically everything. Facial proportions area a mess, too.
I consider this bad. I'm perfectly fine with you and others liking it.
Barrow Roll
Member
I read Flash #1 last night in a floppy and didn't really have an issue with the art. However, seeing each panel blown up so large does make it look worse.
Tragicomedy
Member
That's how I read it on my phone, so perhaps that causes some of my problems with the art.
More Rebirth!
Aquaman #1 - ★★★★ - Pretty much the opposite of the Rebirth issue in every conceivable way, I actually found Aquaman interesting here. Great build up here that works up to the last three pages being phenomenal. The art is wonderful, colorful, and fits so well with the writing. Really liked this book.
Wonder Woman #1 - ★★★★ - Still the least friendly Rebirth book for new readers (I don't know who any of the supporting cast is), but I'll be damned if this wasn't a fun comic. Incredible art, Wonder Woman being a bad ass, and some other interactions between random people I don't know! I've never seen the protagonist look so damn good. Like all Rebirth books so far except Action, the pace is glacial, but I'm growing to expect these will all be slow burns.
Chiaroscuro
Member
Well, I liked the Flash art. And coming from the guy that said Green Arrow does not look good.
Tragicomedy
Member
You're my Reverse Flash!
Doctoglethorpe
Member
So far im getting the feeling Wonder Woman needs to be read in trade format instead of monthly. It just seems like it hasnt gone anywhere yet after two issues and im getting impatient lol. Plus I dont give one shit about the companion story, and that felt like the majority of the book since there wasnt much dialogue or narration in the WW scenes.
Im staying on every mainline title for the first arc at least, but im actually thinking this is gonna be on my drop list, despite the creative team, not for lack of quality but just because I think Ill enjoy them better in trades, and honestly I dont have much antisipation built up for this run yet, which I already do for Batman, Green Arrow, Aquaman and Superman. (And even Green Lanterns as a guilty pleasure cause despite the writing being meh I really like Jessica as a character, though thats still likely on my drop list come the end of the first arc).
Im staying on every mainline title for the first arc at least, but im actually thinking this is gonna be on my drop list, despite the creative team, not for lack of quality but just because I think Ill enjoy them better in trades, and honestly I dont have much antisipation built up for this run yet, which I already do for Batman, Green Arrow, Aquaman and Superman. (And even Green Lanterns as a guilty pleasure cause despite the writing being meh I really like Jessica as a character, though thats still likely on my drop list come the end of the first arc).
Elaugaufein
Member
Comic book pace isn't usually exceptional these days. Arcs are usually between 3 and 12 issues (usually 5 or 6) and the first Rebirth arcs are of course going to be slower since as jumping on points they have to define the characters for new readers. The Rebirth one shots generally had the opposite problem: trying to do too much (tell a story and introduce the current character status quo) in too few pages.
I expect things will pick up pace around Issue 7 once the first arcs are done for most of the books.
The biweekly schedule really helps the pace too from what I've seen so far, Tec is objectively really slow , we've barely introduced the cast and the enemy which would be awful for 2 issues at 1 issue a month but at 2 a month things seem to keep moving (especially if the alternating of Batman and Tec keeps up).
Freezasaurus
Member
Man, you have no idea how a cape would get in her way. In the jungle like that? It would get snagged on every bush she walked by.
Absolutely love the
Cheetah
I'd rank this week's books as so:
Detective Comics
Wonder Woman
Flash
I was not disappointed by any of them by any means, I'm enjoying what each is doing.
Tynion and Barrows are firing on all cylinders in Tec, I can't say enough how good that book is. I'm thrilled that Batman is in the background and not taking the spotlight from Kate or the rest of the team. Everyone is getting their time to shine. My only complaint is
Rucka directly addressing the mess that is Diana's backstory is a great plot device, but I do have a feeling this is going to be a fairy slow burn. I wonder how much of his rejected Earth One pitch is being incorporated into this run, as I'm sure DC had to give him carte blanche to get him to come back. I ready dug the last page reveal and Sharp's art was great.
I'm so happy to have a good Flash book again. Williamson has an interesting voice for Barry, and I like the introduction of
, it's a nice bit of complexity for him. I absolutely love the art, it's so kinetic and reminds me of a weird mix of the best parts of Scott Kolins and Travel Foreman (both of whom are favorites of mine).
I'm not gonna lie, I'm surprised by how DC has just knocked this all out of the park. I was expecting the line to range from great to ok, but for the first month at least, the whole Rebirth line has been consistently great. From what I've seen on Twitter and heard in interviews, the sales numbers have been great, and deservedly so. Here's hoping they can keep it up.
Detective Comics
Wonder Woman
Flash
I was not disappointed by any of them by any means, I'm enjoying what each is doing.
Tynion and Barrows are firing on all cylinders in Tec, I can't say enough how good that book is. I'm thrilled that Batman is in the background and not taking the spotlight from Kate or the rest of the team. Everyone is getting their time to shine. My only complaint is
my boy Jean Paul Valley getting done dirty
Rucka directly addressing the mess that is Diana's backstory is a great plot device, but I do have a feeling this is going to be a fairy slow burn. I wonder how much of his rejected Earth One pitch is being incorporated into this run, as I'm sure DC had to give him carte blanche to get him to come back. I ready dug the last page reveal and Sharp's art was great.
I'm so happy to have a good Flash book again. Williamson has an interesting voice for Barry, and I like the introduction of
Barry's powers giving him some self doubt since no matter how far he is, he still can't save everyone
I'm not gonna lie, I'm surprised by how DC has just knocked this all out of the park. I was expecting the line to range from great to ok, but for the first month at least, the whole Rebirth line has been consistently great. From what I've seen on Twitter and heard in interviews, the sales numbers have been great, and deservedly so. Here's hoping they can keep it up.
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