Sentinalprimus
Member
Gunsmith making renting things cool again!
Silent Fang are outside the grotto's near Forgotten Shore. They seem to not all spawn though.
Dammit missed Top of Page, wanted to post Space Ferrari.
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Destiny |OTForever29| The Season Finale
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Gunsmith making renting things cool again!
Silent Fang are outside the grotto's near Forgotten Shore. They seem to not all spawn though.
Dammit missed Top of Page, wanted to post Space Ferrari.
Because something as minor as a shader isn't worth $800. The fact that some people would be okay with that and buy it doesn't make it okay to sell it for that price.
Seventy_X_Seven
Member
While I fully agree, I honestly never want to see microtransactions even for cosmetic shaders/emblems in Destiny. I really like the feeling in a game when everything there is top unlock is unlocked as a reward, and if that means paying for arguably pricey expansions to keep it that then so be it.
Hey space, I had similar experiences in the past. Before GAF I used only LFG for all activities since my friends left Destiny before they could reach the content I was experiencing. I learnt that making the group and the party would yield better results and a better experience even fun.
As you mentioned the fireteam leader is seen in the LFG as a barometer of the party mood and progress. It's always good to set up the objectives before any activity. That is what I did each time. Slow run, fast run, learning process, ask question if need, don't be shy, if need help call it, etc.. etc... Overall makes for a better experience but everything seems to be tied with the leader if he takes control of the party right at the beginning or not.
On that result, I found in GAF a very good Destiny community, knowledgeable, cocky about 4th horsemans, great pve and pvpers, bitchy about downtimes and much more.
I used this list to find the Wolves. There's a textual description of their locations and the possible locations of the Ether Chests, but there's are also videos showing how to get there.
Silent Fang:
I'd contend even there, this is a business like any other. If Thorn 2.0 wrecks and costs __________, I have basically three rational reactions I can come up with:
1. I enjoy this game a lot to pay _________ to get an item which will help me perform better
2. I'm not interested enough in my performance in this game to pay _________, I'm fine as is
3. I care about my performance enough to be upset and stop playing this game I otherwise enjoy, because I think out of principle it shouldn't be sold
I could see 3. being reasonable when the model is introduced after a game's release, since it would be a case of rules changing (asymmetrical information of sorts, since you did not know before buying the game that you'd have to keep investing in it).
But in any case, the larger issue with a Pay 2 Win model isn't strictly that the best weapons cost additional money. It's that the game isn't balanced. Like, the Thorn/TLW situation right now is absolutely terrible. They're too far removed from the rest of the game. Whether they're free or not doesn't change the larger problem of lacking balance.
As a Destiny player, I don't think I'd mind a gun being sold for cash. A Pulse Rifle for 5 cents I would skip. A Hand Cannon for US$20 I'd buy. Subjective value and all that. Something being sold and I don't think it's worth it? No buy, that simple. On the other hand, I'd really mind a gun being OP, free or DLC.
j0hnny_385
Member
I have no issues with cosmetic DLC in any type of game, be it F2P or AAA (give people choice, yadayada), HOWEVER... something like MGS V FOB coins is a disgusting example of microtransactions and should be called out for what it is... a digusting practice in a full priced AAA game.
4. I won't stop playing the game, but I think this is a bullshit move and I'm gonna call them out on it
According to you. And me obviously. And most people. But that doesn't make a difference.
Nothing in the planet has inherent value. Not gold, not diamonds, not food, not clothes, not DLC. All the same. Value is subjective and decided by consumers when they reveal their purchasing decision.
How much is the original scroll-typed copy of On The Road worth? My mother, who doesn't speak English and isn't much interested in literature would probably say it isn't worth US$10. Others would pay millions for a few hundred stapled together, decades-old pages.
Whether a shader is "worth" US$800 or not is a decision individuals make. Most would obviously say it isn't. But, as someone who would skip and lol at it, the urge to think "it's not OK to be sold at that price" is just bizarre.
I'd never buy a US$50k watch. I don't like em enough for that. But I do think it's ok to sell them for that price, or for millions what do I care.
^ That is what I think also.
Cosmetics are fine from the moment they do not influence on any way the game. Exp gains is acceptable. Many would like to get those items maxed but got a limited time to play.
The Witcher 3 has one of the best models for DLC in gaming so far.
That being said, it is in its own bubble, as it is developed, and published by the same company.
Once you get into devs working under publishers, you have the problem of "appeasing" the shareholders.
In more realistic terms "Putting money in CEO's pockets".
CoD has been doing micro transactions on cosmetics, like weapon skins, and I find this disgusting in some ways, but at the end of the day, it doesn't effect me if I don't buy it.
When DLC is sold that gives people who pay an unfair advantage, be it better gear, more money, or powers locked behind a paywall, I find this the most disgusting, with no redeeming quality whatsoever.
Sentinalprimus
Member
This is pretty much how real life works. Don't think it is worth it? That's fine, other people are allowed to think that it is however. Value is in the eye of the beholder.
In term's of video games since it does not mirror real life exactly and the environment can be altered, I have an issue where a company sells something outright that negatively impacts other players experiences. But they are entitled to sell whatever they want for whatever price they want.
Wait I wanna come back to this. This breaks with like every fundamental of economics which has ever existed.
What, if not consumer demand, makes a price "okay"?
Seventy_X_Seven
Member
I used to be in the same boat being ok with cosmetic DLC in any game, but then I started noticing this trend that the only way your character could look interesting is by coughing up money. Even when I end up buying the items too, it just isn't the same as awesome looking earned cosmetics. I'd much rather pay any other business scheme.
Assuming that the publisher isn't going to force XP gain to be any slower than if no such XP booster existed, then yes it's fine. However, I feel more often than not the existence of XP boosters negatively impacts those who don't but them because the publisher feels the urge to make regular XP gain very slow to make the perceived value of the boosters higher.
Agreed.
3.1.0 is out, an emergency fix for the Chrome issue. Works perfectly again.
Terrordactyl
Member
The playtime would decrease, the monetary gains in the short term are absolutely without question not worth it, literally never gonna happen.
"Appeasing" its owners is exactly what a company should do. When you invest in a company, you do so under the expectation that your employees - from the CEO to a low level secretary - are working to make you money. Because that's literally the single purpose a company exists for: to generate wealth for its owners.
If I owned a part of Activision or Bungie and I saw people on EBay paying US$100 for a Blacksmith shader I would most definitely make a call to management to ask why they're ignoring market demand for premium cosmetics. Only acceptable answer is lower expected future revenue if a larger part of player base is disappointed. Unless you expect a measure will decrease future expected income, you do it.
Not that I'm asking for paid cosmetics. I'm fine and dandy being able to gain anything. But if Blacksmith were sold on PSN for US$100, I'd just be happy people who value it that much could get it, and sad at the display of crazy on gaming side
of course I wouldn't buy it myself, but I wouldn't be offended by the fact that some people did.Only on that condition yes.
Sentinalprimus
Member
Value is interesting. I know some people that don't think the Taken King is worth it, then some people you think it is okay to buy the collectors for whatever price it is in America and then people like me who thinks it's okay to sell it for $120 because I wanted it and that's the best price I could get it for.
robertsan21
Member
Regarding 2.0
I am one blue engram away from leveling the cryptarc. Shall I leave it like that and rank him up once 2.0 hits to get a legendary package at the post office quite fast after 2.0?
I am one blue engram away from leveling the cryptarc. Shall I leave it like that and rank him up once 2.0 hits to get a legendary package at the post office quite fast after 2.0?
Leave it until TTK/Level 40.
Seventy_X_Seven
Member
And then you have a lot of people who have no sense of value and instead insist that they should own everything a developer has worked on up until release day for $60 because . . . well I don't know.
Value is definitely unique to every person, just seems odd that a lot of video game consumers can't seem to look at what company X is offering, compare it to the price, and determine if it matches up with how they value it.
Glad that you got the triumph, congrats man!
Is TTK (not the legendary edition) up for preorder on EU PSN? Couldn't find it earlier.
Sentinalprimus
Member
njd_online
Banned
Yeah, forgive me if this has been asked already...
BUUUTTTT
If Petra's missions are going and the wolves bounties won't be available BUT prison of elders is still a thing (even if it is remaining as year 1 content) then how are we gonna get hold of keys to open the main chest?
BUUUTTTT
If Petra's missions are going and the wolves bounties won't be available BUT prison of elders is still a thing (even if it is remaining as year 1 content) then how are we gonna get hold of keys to open the main chest?
robertsan21
Member
Yeah that was my plan. I have already a few cryptarc packages at the postmaster that i have saved up. Hopefully those packages aint rolled yet
Sentinalprimus
Member
They may make them drop at the end of each PoE. Or raise the drop chance from the small chests at the end.
Xur is going to be Xur and he's going to sell
Glasshouse
Radiant Dance machines
Claws of arhamkara
Hard light
boot engram
items of that nature
njd_online
Banned
Yeah that must be it, right? They've said in the update that the exotics from house of wolves will drop after Skolas now without the need to do the bounty.
That chest is gonna need a key! Guess I better do a bit of farming this week for that.
Missed out on Nothing Manacles when he sold them. Would like to see them.
Hahaha, I wouldn't mind a boot engram actually. I'm missing 2 out of 4 boots.
WooW you actually got the first 2 right👍
Holy shit! I did! And he's selling helmet engrams too!
Mass Appeal
Member
Where xur at ?
You know what Ocean you the real MVP 👍
Seventy_X_Seven
Member
Where is the SOB?
I'm convinced...... your a witch 😨