8 out of 10 - "disappointing story"
Well this is the first review I've actually seen, since I haven't actually read the 9 from Edge yet
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Deus Ex: Mankind Divided review embargo lifts on 8/19
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8 out of 10 - "disappointing story"
Well this is the first review I've actually seen, since I haven't actually read the 9 from Edge yet
I agree with you when you say it shouldn't be obvious but no safe spots in a stealth game is an incredibly poor design.
It means once you are in you cannot plan anything, there's also the fact that you end up relying far too much on the mini map when that happens because you'll always be looking for a moment when everyone is looking away and also to keep track of enemies behind you. Imagine if you are hiding at a place and you don't have a minimap and the variable enemy patrol route means someone sneaks up behind you while you are planning your next move.
I think the current Hitman games is one of the best in terms of patrols not being obvious.
It means once you are in you cannot plan anything, there's also the fact that you end up relying far too much on the mini map when that happens because you'll always be looking for a moment when everyone is looking away and also to keep track of enemies behind you. Imagine if you are hiding at a place and you don't have a minimap and the variable enemy patrol route means someone sneaks up behind you while you are planning your next move.
I think the current Hitman games is one of the best in terms of patrols not being obvious.
Preorder cancelled
Edit: I did not mean to imply to completely eliminate safe zones but to minimize them, make their identification a bit more engaging and not have all or most of them be static. I think the limited visibility of a first person view meaning you have to rely on your radar is fine because there's specifically augments which make this process easier for the player. They've also added in a short delay with arrows indicating the direction from which you're being seen/about to be seen so that reduces the reliance on the minimap even more.
I hate to indulge in memes but I'll make an exception with this game.
Edit: I did not mean to imply to completely eliminate safe zones but to minimize them, make their identification a bit more engaging and not have all or most of them be static. I think the limited visibility of a first person view meaning you have to rely on your radar is fine because there's specifically augments which make this process easier for the player. They've also added in a short delay with arrows indicating the direction from which you're being seen/about to be seen so that reduces the reliance on the minimap even more.
doctorblurg
Banned
This more than anything has me excited to play this. I loved HR even with the bits of jank just refining and polishing that whole system is everything I could of hoped for.
badcrumble
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Makes it sound partly as though he was disappointed with the German voice acting and partly as though this game's major story DLC will be set *after* the main game's plot, not in the middle of it.
Oh ho ho that is a good excerpt right there.
Nyteshade517
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So I've noticed something, in the original Deus Ex a lot of the doors could be destroyed if you had a weapon powerful enough. So if you didn't have keys, or multi tool, or didn't want to find alternate paths you could just blow it up. Whereas in Human revolution eventhough you had some doors that could be blasted off, most of them were indestructible.
This seems to have changed and it looks like it has gone back to the days of Deus Ex 1.
Good stuff.
This seems to have changed and it looks like it has gone back to the days of Deus Ex 1.
Good stuff.
StrikeFirst117
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Thank god, so I can pre-load this ready for release day.
Didn't know this was a thing, but I'm glad to hear it. More choices are always good.
Just bought the game myself on GMG. Got a sort of a bonus on Monday, was wondering if I'd blow it all on a new monitor or just get a bunch of games. Had to go with games.
So many new games coming out like damn.
badcrumble
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That's excellent.
I really hope they bring back killphrases for the next game, though. Rewarding players for *really* combing through the information that's out there AND being charismatic and persuasive with NPCs (and making them essentially complete hidden/non-flagged sidequests where you couldn't just hack your way into the last computer but would actually need to put together like 5-6 pieces of information from separate sources, some of them human rather than digital, in order to figure it all out) would be a great addition to the games and to the potential for the story.
not going to happen
this game is so far from the original time wise still. they've said they could make 10/15/20 more games before they get to that point
no need
AHA-Lambda
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disappointing story?? D:
funkystudent
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disappointing story?? D:
Deus Ex story has always been kind of a mess.
I expect this to be in line with previous games like that.
Great, thanks.
Well MD takes place during same year as JC Denton is born and Paul Denton is 11 years old. Surprising if there isn't something about brothers in MD.
Rotch Crot
Banned
What time zone for do the reviews drop at midnight in?
Infinite_Daremo
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disappointing story?? D:
Human Revolution's story wasn't particularly great either. Nowhere near on par with the first one.
Laurentius
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Yeah, where HR shined was in worldbuilding and atmosphere. The overall story wasn't particularly great.
Ravensmash
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It was also the 'mini-stories' that appeared during side missions. I could play the game in lengthy chunks and get immersed in a minor side plot without even touching the main quest line.
CrichtonKicks
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disappointing story?? D:
Eh, it's one review (so far). Wouldn't hit the panic button yet.
badcrumble
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I wonder whether/when Eidos will end up remaking the original game. That'll be fairly controversial, so I suppose they'll really need to prove their chops without a doubt before then.
IlGialloMondadori
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Yeah the main story was...eh, and I can't remember a ton. What I do remember is open gameplay and wonderful side stories.
Laurentius
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Ah, true. The sidequests were great and well written.
They will need to add back stuff they cut such as swimming and skills. They have shown they can do everything else for the most part.
yes but i mean connecting to the first one directly will take a while but it would be cool if they mention or even show us something
Moff
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the original had a super cool story
bit campy, sure, but full of highlights and certainly satisfying
yep, HR threw that out the window tho
The ending of hr is what hurt the story the most.
CrichtonKicks
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The original's story is a giant mess contained that miraculously barely holds together and ends up being something special.
It's also super dense- like they took the story for a planned trilogy of games and jammed it into a single game.
Never got the hate for the story in the final act of HR. I agree the final ending/decisions were pretty weak but I thought the rest was quite good. Hung together nicely as its own thing while also still providing some cool foundation for the original.
It's also super dense- like they took the story for a planned trilogy of games and jammed it into a single game.
Never got the hate for the story in the final act of HR. I agree the final ending/decisions were pretty weak but I thought the rest was quite good. Hung together nicely as its own thing while also still providing some cool foundation for the original.
Personally the entire last 'chapter' or so is what hurts it the most for me. It didn't feel suitably scaled. I don't know. Just felt like there should have been something with a bit more... bombast.
SpiceMelange
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Yeah DX1 is like they put every conspiracy theory out there, put it in a blender and that produced the game's script.
Yeah, my thoughts too. Nothing utterly awful but certainly disappointing. If Mankind Divided is similar in that respect, while disappointing, it wouldn't be a massive deal breaker.
I miss the more thought provoking stuff you could get from the original game for example, such as the conversation with Morpheus, which was and still is one of my favourites, and then tying all that sort of stuff into actual literature later on was just so great.
Gozer the Gozerian
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One of the trailers showed a brief glimpse of a really dope looking base on the edge of a glacier. Hopefully that location isn't as underutilized as Panchea was.
i liked panchea
Icyflamez96
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The ending of HR was one of the coolest most intense parts of the game story wise for me.
I thought the story of HR could have been told/structured better, but whenever I start to refresh myself on the details, I remember how amazing the world/lore they built up generally is. And I'm aware of a lot of the criticism HR gets for its story, I'm sure MD will deliver enough for me.
I thought the story of HR could have been told/structured better, but whenever I start to refresh myself on the details, I remember how amazing the world/lore they built up generally is. And I'm aware of a lot of the criticism HR gets for its story, I'm sure MD will deliver enough for me.
MrCompletely
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This is just one dude's opinion... and im willing to bet few, if anyone in this thread, knows of this reviewers general style and preferences.
It could still have a better story than Human Revolution then.
Considering they had titbits of information and even characters from the first game (Tracer Tong) in Human Revolution I'll be surprised if they don't mention the Dentons. I am expecting atleast JC to be mentioned or even have a story significance considering it's set the same year he is born..that is no coincidence.
Laurentius
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HR spoiler:
the post credit scene and achievement in HR seem to seriously point towards some sort of focus on the Dentons in the sequel. The achievement was called "The D Project" with a picture of JC. I'd be really surprised if at least part of the story doesn't focus on Page and the origins of the Dentons.
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