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Diablo III: Reaper of Souls |OT2| Enchantress: Look! More hidden loot!
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I thought everyone knew that?
Boombloxer
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Probably where I'll stop for now. No real luck with leg drops recently.
Probably where I'll stop for now. No real luck with leg drops recently.
What concerns me about those solo leaderboards is that Blizz will look at them, see monks at the top, and assume "monks are fine" while completely ignoring the fact that they're using a gimmick build based around the 3 rarest weapons in the entire game.
Every single one of those monks is running stacked CDR for near 100% uptime on SSS and Serenity, for close to 100% immunity to everything.
Every single one is running Rimeheart and FoA, with Furnace on switch for RG's.
Every single one is running some combination of the same 6 skills and same 4-5 passives (some run Guardian's Path for dodge while others use Resolve)
Not one of them has EP on the bar. All are applying it via the new Madstone that casts EP on each target hit by SSS (which is why all are using Fulminating Onslaught rune on SSS for max coverage)
If Rimeheart was removed every one of those monks would instantly be unviable, and I can't see how a monk could get past around level 35 with their skills as they are now, or even with their skills in 2.1 form.
My highest solo so far was 27. I could maybe get to 28 or 29 I think, but it's pretty sketchy at that point as I still get one-shot with 1200 AR, 19k armour, 350k hp.
I'll play around with other builds tonight as I have a pair of 98% dmg Depth Diggers, but last time I tried that on a regular T6 rift it was way slower than my Raiment/jawbreaker spec and I took a TON more dmg, so I can't see it being more viable, even with TF/Odyn now being buffed by +lightning dmg.
Every single one of those monks is running stacked CDR for near 100% uptime on SSS and Serenity, for close to 100% immunity to everything.
Every single one is running Rimeheart and FoA, with Furnace on switch for RG's.
Every single one is running some combination of the same 6 skills and same 4-5 passives (some run Guardian's Path for dodge while others use Resolve)
Not one of them has EP on the bar. All are applying it via the new Madstone that casts EP on each target hit by SSS (which is why all are using Fulminating Onslaught rune on SSS for max coverage)
If Rimeheart was removed every one of those monks would instantly be unviable, and I can't see how a monk could get past around level 35 with their skills as they are now, or even with their skills in 2.1 form.
My highest solo so far was 27. I could maybe get to 28 or 29 I think, but it's pretty sketchy at that point as I still get one-shot with 1200 AR, 19k armour, 350k hp.
I'll play around with other builds tonight as I have a pair of 98% dmg Depth Diggers, but last time I tried that on a regular T6 rift it was way slower than my Raiment/jawbreaker spec and I took a TON more dmg, so I can't see it being more viable, even with TF/Odyn now being buffed by +lightning dmg.
partyphone
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as far as I can tell Blizzard is concerned about more builds being viable. In the past they'vr look at what skills are and aren't being used and adjusted accordingly.
So apparently even the top 2-4 person groups on PTR rifts are ALL running zdps specs. Even the barbs/saders/WD's are running zdps and Rimeheart.
Makes sense really, as no other weapon is a viable option once enemies get into the billions or trillions of HP.
When a bunch of characters with under 300k dps are the only ones to have hit tier 100 you'd think that would tell Blizzard that you need to do more for increasing difficulty per tier than just increase HP/dmg on enemies. Still though...even if they changed it by having elite/champ enemies spawn with ALL possible affixes it'd still get negated by perma-serenity/sss anyway.
Not sure what other options there are, other than removing Rimeheart from the game or changing how it works. Which would make me sad as I have one, but it really is for the best I think.
Makes sense really, as no other weapon is a viable option once enemies get into the billions or trillions of HP.
When a bunch of characters with under 300k dps are the only ones to have hit tier 100 you'd think that would tell Blizzard that you need to do more for increasing difficulty per tier than just increase HP/dmg on enemies. Still though...even if they changed it by having elite/champ enemies spawn with ALL possible affixes it'd still get negated by perma-serenity/sss anyway.
Not sure what other options there are, other than removing Rimeheart from the game or changing how it works. Which would make me sad as I have one, but it really is for the best I think.
Fenderputty
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I still haven't found a fist of az or a rimeheart
My monk is almost pigeon holed into a fire build because that's the only gear I find for him.
My monk is almost pigeon holed into a fire build because that's the only gear I find for him.
I think the game in general is dead right now. Everyone's waiting for 2.1 to go live.
Bingo.
Only piece of gear I needed for my monk.Dr_Boris_Goltz
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My group still plays nightly. I still have a lot of work left for my characters.
I play at night with a buddy. We are always looking for T6 Rift players.
But yea the clan is pretty dead right now. It's rare to see more than 3-5 people online at a time.
Fenderputty
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I think I log on when most people have already gone to bed.
Yeah, my sleep is kinda messed up right now and I've been mostly logging on at like 2 and 3 in the morning. Usually no one around.
Also for what it's worth you just use a bunch of crafted gear anyway. It's extremely easy to gear up a shatter monk assuming you have the rimeheart.
Fenderputty
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I'm west coast so 11pm - 1am for me is pretty late for everyone else.
Honestly surprised it took this long, was obvious for everyone the moment the feature was announced. I'm just curious if they can change it without making it an utterly useless skill.
I think that Exploding Palm being nerfed may be necessary, and as a Monk I certainly won't be sad to see nerfs to it, but Rimeheart and Furnace really need some big adjustments themselves.
I'm on the ptr when I play now.
I'll log on and join the T6 fun on my barb if you want
Fenderputty
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How do they change exploding palm without fucking up the new Madstone, the fist of az etc etc.
I'm curious how they think they can re-work the skill.
I'm curious how they think they can re-work the skill.
I'm curious to see some more of the changes when they roll out another version to the ptr now that we know some more stuff is changing. Not sure if it was mentioned here, but there was a blue post that agreed the current intended change to firebirds was pretty shitty so they are going to take another run at it (though didn't say if it would be next version or not). Also just saw the latest blue post about barbarian stuff and they are finally going to make the furious charge animation better (as it's always been really buggy with all runes active) and are changing Vile Ward to have an orange affix for FC.
Make me curious if many other old legs with no special effect will get updated before this patch actually comes out (outside of the ones they announced already).
Make me curious if many other old legs with no special effect will get updated before this patch actually comes out (outside of the ones they announced already).
Here's a video of the level 100 greater rift clear.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0wphtckJuA#t=62
lol, look at that experience go. Half of paragon 908 in one small group of mobs. (works out to about 18 billion experience in that little group)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0wphtckJuA#t=62
lol, look at that experience go. Half of paragon 908 in one small group of mobs. (works out to about 18 billion experience in that little group)
LMAO @ this.
A slight breeze one shots extremely tanky zDPS characters. Only character that actually gets in range of the mobs is a Serenity Monk.
Enlighten me, why are the mobs so low on HP when we see them? The rift boss had like 1% HP only (and that was in the thousand of billions anyway)
What I've heard is that the game can only display 999b hp.
RG has way more hp than that, so it shows as if it is low on health when it is really 999b / howevermany trillion hp it actually has
I know this isn't the proper thread for console Diablo III discussion but this particular thread is much more active, and I feel this piece of news is relevant enough to warrant this post here. Recently, a blue has responded to concerns the UEE may not get content patches in the future and the response is, in my opinion, a bit worrying.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/13272817274?page=3#57
I know this may seem a bit preemptive because it isn't set in stone, but I'd like to let everyone know now so we can show we really want support for future patches.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/13272817274?page=3#57
I know this may seem a bit preemptive because it isn't set in stone, but I'd like to let everyone know now so we can show we really want support for future patches.
Jesus Christ, 909 Paragon Levels?
I just saw the post about Rimeheart/Furnace/EP post above me, not sure why I missed it before.
Basically what people have been saying for a long time. It's pretty obvious Blizzard didn't design the GFRs to be completed past 50 so anything that can go further is too good.
It's interesting though that they consider EP to be the "worst offender" out of them all but to me 2 weapons that any class can use are a bigger problem overall. I have always said that EP is the best skill in the game if mob HP is high (if mob HP is very low then EP is not good at all).
As to my guess on how they will fix EP... they will simply make every rune work similar to Essence Burn where Essence Burn doesn't scale off of mob HP and just causes an explosion. They will probably make the explosion do a ton of damage but of course it will never compare to scaling off monster HP. They would then have to also remake the Fist of Az weapon because there would be no point in reworking EP if they kept Fist of Az as is.
Basically what people have been saying for a long time. It's pretty obvious Blizzard didn't design the GFRs to be completed past 50 so anything that can go further is too good.
It's interesting though that they consider EP to be the "worst offender" out of them all but to me 2 weapons that any class can use are a bigger problem overall. I have always said that EP is the best skill in the game if mob HP is high (if mob HP is very low then EP is not good at all).
As to my guess on how they will fix EP... they will simply make every rune work similar to Essence Burn where Essence Burn doesn't scale off of mob HP and just causes an explosion. They will probably make the explosion do a ton of damage but of course it will never compare to scaling off monster HP. They would then have to also remake the Fist of Az weapon because there would be no point in reworking EP if they kept Fist of Az as is.
I'm so confused on the difficulty from seeing that video. Is the area in the video incomplete (with regards to difficulty vs level of Rift) or is that person just extreeemely powerful? I see that he's p909 (probably 1500 by now) on the PTR, and assume that it would be extreeeeemely hard to get to where he is?
If he gains levels that easily, wouldn't it mean the difficulty should be incapable of humans to survive, or is this a PTR fault? (Yeah, I read about the HP display in the posts above, so I'm still wondering.)
Haha, I just can't fantom that video.
If he gains levels that easily, wouldn't it mean the difficulty should be incapable of humans to survive, or is this a PTR fault? (Yeah, I read about the HP display in the posts above, so I'm still wondering.)
Haha, I just can't fantom that video.
The explosion from Exploding Palm deals 50% of the mob's HP damage as an aoe on death (up to 100% HP with a special fist weapon) and there is a sword that has a chance to insta-kill any frozen white mob (and it procs a lot through a specific ability and area damage procs). It basically means monster HP is irrelevant since you are one shotting a couple of mobs who trigger a chain reaction that kills everything else. As long as they can find a way to stay alive they can realistically keep going up ranks forever.
I think it's considered the worst offender because of group games. Regardless of your gear a monk with EP will contribute more in a group game then anyone else, pretty much always. Furnace isn't as broken because there aren't many builds that can actually make great use out of it anyway (I think monk and jade WD are it really, endgame barbarians don't use any attacks except for EQ which is shitty for furnace, DH can't even equip it, and crusader builds are too dependent on their flails, similar situation with wizards for wands and sources). I do think Furnace is still a problem, but it's not really a huge problem since it's only "broken" with a couple of builds.
Rimeheart is just whatever, I could see it being a problem eventually where ice builds that still do great damage are at the top of the leaderboards, but you can't one shot elite packs or RGs anyway so you still are going to have to put out real damage to kill them.
Don't worry about that video.
You are not supposed to be playing at that high of a Greater Rift.
The way the combo works is this:
Rimeheart - Frozen enemies have a 10% chance to instantly die. Only works on white mobs.
Exploding Palm + Fist of AZ - On kill EP deals damage equivalent to 50% of target's HP. Fist of AZ boosts that value to max 100% HP. This means killing a target that has 500 million HP will result in an explosion that does 500 million HP. You can buff the EP damage with Elite damage.
Frostburn Gauntlet - They are currently bugged. They basically make every attack do Cold damage (and Cold damage chills which Freezes opponent) of the Rimeheart which comes native with Cold damage. This means that the Physical DoT of EP actually is doing Cold damage and thus freezing the opponent (and you need them frozen to make them shatter aka insta kill). This also applies to your basic attacks like Way of Hundred Fist which has a very good proc coefficient and deals a DoT on one of the runes. So you basically just EP a white mob, auto attack it with WotF until it shatters.
In groups you EP a bunch of high HP white monsters and also EP the packs. You then Cyclone them all in making sure the white EP'd mobs are in range of the EP'd Elite pack... you just auto attack the white mob until it shatters and the explosion cascades killing everyone instantly. You can't take on Elites without other white mobs present.
You need a Furnace to take out the Rift Guardian solo because the build is useless against a solo RG. You might be able to pull a ton of mobs near it and EP them but its unreliable.
This build gives no fuck about the HP of white mobs. You can have a white mob with 999 trillion health and it will die instantly with 999 trillion health exploding as damage.. In fact the higher the HP the stronger this build gets relative to other builds. It should be noted that at higher levels you want cooldown reduction to have maximum Serenity up time to make you immortal, a key ingredient in surviving against mobs long enough to do your combo (otherwise they would one shot you if your Serenity is down). So not only does their damage not matter thanks to perma Serenity.... their HP doesn't matter either.
AlexTrevelyan
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If you guys are looking for more people to run rifts at night, add me: Trevelyan#1699.
Won't work in greater rifts since every mob despawns as soon as the RG spawns.
Some RG's spawn adds, so with Rimeheart/FoA you could likely 1-shot the RG if you were lucky enough to get a RG who spawns adds.
The Korean monk in that video was using Shrine gloves with an empowered shrine to give him perma invulnerability via Serenity with no cooldown. That was the real issue. Not EP, not Furnace, not Rimeheart.
I don't mind the pending EP nerf (provided they don't kill it completely), but there better be a ton of monk buffs upcoming (and I'm not talking about the garbage we got in the 2.1 PTR as those suck.)
Looking at the monk leaderboard I had to go all the way to the 54th ranked monk before I found one who was using a build other than shatter. The highest level they cleared? 30.
Compared to 35+ for every other class
Ricerocket
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It's pretty embarrassing that mobs are scaling beyond the HP that the game intended to have that it bugs out.
MOAR HP/DMG aspect of the game is getting way out of hand and looks like a lazy aspect of their game design. Feeling underpowered? LETS DOUBLE OR TRIPLE THAT DMG! I'm guessing next expansion they will do what they always do in WoW and be forced to tone down the numbers or we will be hitting for billions of dmg.
MOAR HP/DMG aspect of the game is getting way out of hand and looks like a lazy aspect of their game design. Feeling underpowered? LETS DOUBLE OR TRIPLE THAT DMG! I'm guessing next expansion they will do what they always do in WoW and be forced to tone down the numbers or we will be hitting for billions of dmg.
You should all upload videos of badly geared Monks on YouTube and convince Blizzard that the class is so bad, you can barely play it anymore.
Maybe, but if not, this is our chance to get the Crusader treatment that we need.
I just watched a vid of a monk doing a tier 25 greater rift. He barely got the RG killed before the timer ran out.
His gear stats?
1.3m unbuffed sheet dps, 90% fire dmg, 40% elite dmg, and boatloads of toughness and healing. Has ALL the BiS items for a fire monk. Average hits for his big spirit spender were around 20m.
I suspect any other class in the game with stats like those would absolutely blitz tier 25.
When Seasons come out I was thinking about dropping my DH main and rolling either Monk or Wiz, but I'm becoming more and more convinced Blizzard has no idea what the fuck they're doing with those classes. Depending on how long the PTR is they can still make major changes, but if 2.1 dropped on live tomorrow I'd probably just roll another DH. It's a shame really, Monk has always been in a weird spot and Wizards seem to be falling further and further behind every patch.
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