there is another post on diablofans about them. not sure if it made it into the patch. it said something like caches have higher legendary drop chance now and they can drop torment only items. can't get on that site at the moment.
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Diablo III: Reaper of Souls |OT2| Enchantress: Look! More hidden loot!
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there is another post on diablofans about them. not sure if it made it into the patch. it said something like caches have higher legendary drop chance now and they can drop torment only items. can't get on that site at the moment.
That was presumed patch additions based on blue posts. None of it is guaranteed
We can only hope.It's a buff for me >.>
I can never get 3 teleports off unless i can see a straight line. Most times i'm teleporting around a corner or through a wall and need a second or two to decide where to go next and i can't use it. the extra time helps me a lot.
You still get approximately the same number of teleports.
3/16 = 0.1875 Teleports/sec right now
2/11 = 0.1818 Teleports/sec post patch
It's not a big difference in terms of this. The main difference is you get less burst movement speed (2 vs. 3) but more controlled movement speed (3 seconds to manage to 2 teleports instead of 2 to manage 3).
I think that is the implication.
Why can't I get those pieces to drop ;_;
I also don't like that, for crusaders at least, fire has been made even more desireable. I was hoping we'd get more reason to pursue other elements, but it looks like fire will continue to stay above the pack. (for those lacking a gyrfalcon's foote/jekangboard/holy gear for shattering shield build, which isn't so much about the element anyway as it is the absurdity of the skill affected by those affixes)
Indeed, now we have more choices to make though I don't know how much it will impact survivability (if it's enough I guess I'll be able to switch some of my allres gems to DEX, thus doubledipping advantages)
I do like this change and will probably juggle it with Steady aim depending on the scenario. Anything that helps avoid getting one shot on the higher Torrents is a welcomed change, dodge is awful.
Edit: The Crusader changes seem really strong. So glad they removed they 2H movement penalty, that was such a no-brainer fix. Glad I started working on mine. Now if Kadala would just drop the Jekanbord.
The question is what to replace.. I guess night stalker is the only option. Perfectionist gives me like 1.5mil toughness, Blood vengeance is mandatory until I get a decent set of reaper's wraps and tactical advantage keeps me alive more than anything else.
I'd drop blood vengeance. It's an ok skill but reaper's can replace it like you said. The small amount of Hate that it provides is not worth the passive slot.
jim2point0
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Currently I run:
Steady Aim (big damage increase and usually easy to maintain with pets)
Perfectionist
Night Stalker
Archery
I think I'd replace archery. I really can't be sure. The %dmg buff is already going to give me 2x 2700 DPS bows so I know my dmg is going to go up. Awareness would give me 2760 armor. That seems like a lot. I think I can sacrifice the crit.
Nope, doesn't scale. Druin tested it pretty heavily. http://www.reddit.com/r/Diablo3Monks/comments/24de7u/weapon_proc_mechanics/
You may be better off replacing NS. I replaced it a while back with SA and it's just fine. I'm running Archer (DW), BV (w/ wraps), SA (easily sustained with zoo), Ambush. Not sure which I'd replace.
It's weird seeing so many "wow Crusader time!" posts when I went to sleep thinking of how hard we were nerfed.
While true, Fires of Heaven benefits from dealing extra damage off it's high burst due to the cost. Which may not really be an issue with 6pc and so-on but it's reason enough to view it as an actual damage stat. It's not enough to view it as the most important thing ever due to the reasons you list but it's nice enough to warrant keeping it over VIT unless you're in some serious desperate need of VIT. In which case I'd still keep the damage stat and figure out where you can get extra VIT elsewhere.
While true, Fires of Heaven benefits from dealing extra damage off it's high burst due to the cost. Which may not really be an issue with 6pc and so-on but it's reason enough to view it as an actual damage stat. It's not enough to view it as the most important thing ever due to the reasons you list but it's nice enough to warrant keeping it over VIT unless you're in some serious desperate need of VIT. In which case I'd still keep the damage stat and figure out where you can get extra VIT elsewhere.
Ricerocket
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Can't wait to see all the stealth nerfs and undocumented changes.
Fenderputty
Banned
I'm just happy they didn't say something stupid and insulting like, "monk is perfect."
Makes sense to me. I have too much Vit in general anyway.
I think the main difference between "wow Crusaders" and "we were nerfed" comes down to people who don't yet have top-end gear like Akkhan set and/or Gyrfalcon+Jekangbord vs. most people who are running Heavenly Strength and saw a small boost there. Fist of the Heavens was nerfed, and the improvements to Blessed Hammer still probably aren't enough to compete in Lightning builds. Champion-Rally was significantly changed, and that messes with a lot of the value from Akkhan's set, and the value of the skill as a whole.
Heaven's Fury is brought back to the original damage, but I'm curious if that's a T6-quality skill with Fate of the Fell. I basically now have weapons for any elemental Crusader build (even if i don't have ANY of the supporting pieces), but I am curious which one I should try to build around now with the expected changes:
- Shard of Hate lightning
- Fate of the Fell holy
- Maximus fire
antiquegamer
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They only nerf couple of the skills but overall it's one big buffs. I don't know how you could not see it as a good thing, now there are more options and viable builds instead of one or two builds. The shield bless shattered is pretty strong for the cost and thus probably the nerf, I am sure they feel that they over-buff it last time. May be they will bring it back like they seems to do with many of the skills.
Ricerocket
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Yeah, there was a 125MB download. Pretty hefty.
It's amusing how they changed runes but there are no damage buffs. They really don't seem to understand the problem.
" Lets give monk a few more build options but make sure they still do no damage in comparison to other classes"
Blizzard
Monk is fine.
Until you get out of T1/T2 and start to see the limits and then T5/T6 just becomes a "but where's our broken equip?!"
More or less. The changes seem to trim the excess power we have and bring up the bottom to kind of compact Crusader power across the board in terms of gear level. The issue is that I'm not really seeing this being as great end-game right now, especially with the radically different Akarat's Champion in place. We'll see, I have a lot of play testing to do before I can think of anything definite about the changes.
Worth note is the possibility of a Physical build involving Baleful Remnant still, especially with Bodyguard getting another fairly big buff.
I never said it wasn't a good thing / there weren't buffs as well, it was more that they just nerfed everything about our current end-game builds and playstyles. The change to Akarat's is fairly huge when everyone at T5/T6 Crusader was either Blessed Shield (which got halved in damage, though there's some compensations on this elsewhere) or CDR+Rally based, which isn't possible anymore. AC itself became significantly worse baseline as a defensive skill since the loss of the revive means it is no longer +100% eHP.
Like I said, I need to play test these things before I can say anything definitive. Right now, just everything I have gear wise in both my 6pc and Blessed Shield got pared down for a variety of buffs to other skills that still won't be that useful (e.g., Blessed Hammer and Shield Bash probably still won't be good).
They buffed Wave of Light though.
SneakyStephan
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So did shattered shield build just get a huge nerf?
It was 300 percent weapon dmg before right? (even though the tooltip only said 50 percent)
My sader has gyrfalcon and jenka, I'd be pretty mad about this change if I actually likedthe class enough to play it
It was 300 percent weapon dmg before right? (even though the tooltip only said 50 percent)
My sader has gyrfalcon and jenka, I'd be pretty mad about this change if I actually likedthe class enough to play it
Fenderputty
Banned
The wave of light damage buff and addition of fire rune has me interested. A cindercoat and two piece crimsons set would reduce it's cost by almost half. Could be interesting to spam with epiphany too.
The Cowboy
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Despite being a bit iffy on some of the Wizard adjustments, i am really interested in trying out Archon with Combustion (Renamed from Arcane Destruction) after the patch due to the fire damage change. If the initial explosion is also fire (it would make sense that it would/should be), with my 92% fire damage bonus this would/should rip elites, bosses and rift guardians apart.
toastyToast
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Yeah its a nerf. The new passives mean you can almost make it back. Almost
Came out with the datamined patch notes. Looks like +% XP bonuses, increased legendary drop rates, additional rift shards from bounties, and additional blood shards from rift bosses.
Is this not common knowledge? I play Monk on the side and don't have one yet or anything, but all I seem to hear from everyone is that Odyn Son is preferred for one of the 2 BiS weapons for lightning monks BECAUSE it did scale and other weapons did not (TF, etc).
Just from my casual look, it seems like only the very specific strong crusader builds that required multiple specific items got the nerf bat. It improves the crusader from more of a baseline strength level and brings them up overall. More in line with the other classes? Who knows. Will have to see.
I only have like 20 hours into my crusader though. T1-T2 level at best. So take it from a casual perspective lol.
I only have like 20 hours into my crusader though. T1-T2 level at best. So take it from a casual perspective lol.
The Cowboy
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Is there a way to reduce the size of the quote? (like hide it until clicked?) - its pretty big and I'm not sure a quote of this size is OK or not..could someone copy pasta the patch notes or something? I can't view those sites at work
Definity
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I ditched my monk about a couple days after RoS released. Moved to WD and been having a blast. Geared him up enough this weekend to handle T3 without much issue. Unity rings on follower and redirecting up to 30% of damage from me to my dogs is insane for damage mitigation.
Actually have some nice gear that would transfer over to a wiz so that may be next on my list.
Actually have some nice gear that would transfer over to a wiz so that may be next on my list.
It is a BiS because the lightning proc is insane and can hit the same target 3 times, vs TF which I think is only once. My Odyn procs consistently hit for 7-8m or so. The +lightning dmg is super nice too.
I think that's the issue at hand. I don't purport to know Blizzard's intent behind the design for classes or gear, especially when tackling the highest difficulty level, but it seems like the only things that were formerly viable in T6 have been slapped back down to earth for Crusaders.
In general, was it a buff overall? Sure. Passives seem to be significantly improved, and the other, lesser-used skills seem to be buffed. But they were less-used for good reasons, and the new buffs probably won't be enough to make them attractive. Our (only) set is significantly nerfed too, since the skill it revolves around boosting has been substantially changed.
So Crusaders were buffed for T1-T4, nerfed for T6.
This is basically the goal. My only concern is that it makes gearing into T5/T6 harder, really, and kind of negates a lot of the value of our set. I mean, perma-Akarat's is still valuable for +35% Damage and some amount of Wrath Regeneration but it's really just not the same as allowing for a variety of cooldown-based builds that we had access to before. If nothing else, at least the other runes will be usable now.
Basically. A lot of Crusader's issues could be linked entirely to our item dependency for builds. At the very least, you were looking at needing Gyrfalcon's OR our entire set. These changes serve to make entry level a lot easier but I'm not really sure yet on the end. It's currently looking like perma-Akarat's + Fire build or perma-Akarat's + Fate of the Fell. Which basically means we're still in the same end-game gearing of wanting our full set but getting to those middle Torments should be less frustrating.
Fair enough, I just specifically hear people say over and over that it did scale with lightning damage as the main reason. Good to know though!
Oops. Thanks for the new info
Even up to T3 monk is very fun. It just doesn't scale up like the other classes even when you start getting really good/rare/hardtoget rolls.
Unless they fixed GNK proc able to hit twice (and even if they did), fire LTK should still outpace WoL by a LOT. I don't see how WoL can compete. The weapon dmg% is about the same with GNK and you can spam even more w/ a cindercoat (assuming you can get one with your 2res on it........) otherwise you're stuck below T4 and at that point any fire skill will do lol.
The only thing that I might change is switching out LTK for WoL on my lightning monk since I use mythic rhythm on that monk.
toastyToast
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The thing replacing Rally with is fucking goofy as shit. At the very least it should have some relationship to CDR builds. 12s might give you a second heavy hitter, maybe. It should be a flat CDR percentage at the very least. The rune is effectively useless after the skill activation where if you compare with what you can get as a wizard using a similar rune (a nuclear explosion) its immensely shit.
Fires of Heaven builds with 6pc got insane amount of buffs though. I've compared BoP and FoH builds on my crusader and I found them equal with BoP slightly better on trash and FoH much better on bosses. To me it's at least as viable as BoP is at higher torments. I believe why it's far less popular than BoP is because it is much more gear dependant and people who have it don't roll or aren't capable of rolling for wrath regen either.
In this patch FoH builds got...
which should make FoH builds far better than the others barring further testing of the new changes.
Also, some amount of wrath regen is really underselling the Akkhan set. With wrath cost reduction plus wrath regeneration, it quadruples the amount of spenders you can cast.
In this patch FoH builds got...
which should make FoH builds far better than the others barring further testing of the new changes.
Also, some amount of wrath regen is really underselling the Akkhan set. With wrath cost reduction plus wrath regeneration, it quadruples the amount of spenders you can cast.
Huh, this is interesting. Monk soloing T6 pretty damn efficiently using no generator fire spec: http://www.reddit.com/r/Diablo3Monks/comments/25cqz4/inner_fire_build_for_torment_6_rifting_12_mins/
toastyToast
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Robert at Zeboyd Games
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Hm... between Fervor (15% CDR if using a 1-handed weapon), Towering Shield (30% CDR on Shield Glare), and the high CDR from equipment that Crusaders generally build for, you could get a really low cooldown on Shield Glare. Wonder if there's something interesting you can do there.
Leviathon007
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That is what I have been doing and it works quite well. My gear isn't as good, so I can't solo T6, but T3-4 is doable.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Leviathon-1520/
Ohh nice, time to test stuffs.
Thanks for posting, wasn't expecting it to be up yet! We have full patch notes anywhere yet? Wondering what the system level/bug changes were like that.
No full patch notes and the Anniversary/community buffs aren't live either.
But the character changes and other system changes are live. I am already playing with the new Awareness and it has pushed my DHs toughness above 10 million. I replaced Ambush for it.
Edit: +% damage bug on non black damage types for weapon is also fix.
But the character changes and other system changes are live. I am already playing with the new Awareness and it has pushed my DHs toughness above 10 million. I replaced Ambush for it.
Edit: +% damage bug on non black damage types for weapon is also fix.
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