Sorry, bad choice of words. I meant EA need DICE now for their GaaS ventures and they are not like Pandemic or Bullfrog where EA no longer needed them with where they were going.
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DICE new boss says it has ‘no time’ for Mirror’s Edge-style projects: ‘We’re focusing only on Battlefield’
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BadBurger
Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
After BF2042, DICE is basically a nothing of a studio. I hate to say/write that for any cog in the wheel working there who might read this, but it's clear the leadership there is beyind saving. Move on, let it die. Just another EA studio to implode after EA got too involved.
LegendOfKage
Member
That's the neat part. DICE is already the company they deserve to be.
Tams
Member
I loved BF1.
But yes, Battlefield Bad Company 2 was just on another level. One of the few games I've bothered to finish in one sitting.
BF4 was okay. The story was utter pants though.
Hypereides
Member
Well, there goes any legitimate chances for a genuine Mirror's Edge 2. The old DICE of yesteryear is gone.
Cyborg
Member
This.
The one franchise they keep working on is the one that's slowly killing them.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
It depends where the bottleneck was. Smaller focused teams can actually deliver surprisingly great innovative ideas and maybe we need to get better at composing than together than scaling teams to humongous depths. I was listening to this book by Ken Kocienda about how product creation happened during the golden days of Apple (where the foundations for what Cook is exploiting now were laid): https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/152900473X/?tag=neogaf0e-20
The software team behind the key components of iOS when the iPhone (project Purple) was developed (like the keyboard, the homescreen/springboard, gesture recognition and multi touch, etc…) was very small. They just had great vision, communicated well, and iterated very very efficiently.
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scoobidoo112
Member
After the boring reboot-slog that was Mirror's Edge Catalyst, I honestly don't want any more of that series, let alone made by current Dice.
Larxia
Member
I never understood people saying Catalyst was terrible, especially if you liked the first one.
I can understand not enjoying it as much as the first one if you didn't like the formula changes. Yes the skill tree was useless, yes the ubisoft collectible were trash, but... I mean that's it?
The gameplay was still amazing, the visuals and art direction were fantastic, I personally did enjoy the "open world" and even if you're not fan of it, the actual story missions still have unique designs like in the first game etc.
Yes it has some flaws, but to the point of saying that it was this bad makes no sense to me if you already like the first one. I think that's exaggerated and people are way too extreme with their criticism.
I had a great time with Catalyst even if I wish some elements in it were different, it's still a very original and different game compared to most stuff out there.
Mirror's Edge is a franchise that I really like, the atmosphere in it is so unique, if they plan to never use it again, maybe it should be given to another studio.
I can understand not enjoying it as much as the first one if you didn't like the formula changes. Yes the skill tree was useless, yes the ubisoft collectible were trash, but... I mean that's it?
The gameplay was still amazing, the visuals and art direction were fantastic, I personally did enjoy the "open world" and even if you're not fan of it, the actual story missions still have unique designs like in the first game etc.
Yes it has some flaws, but to the point of saying that it was this bad makes no sense to me if you already like the first one. I think that's exaggerated and people are way too extreme with their criticism.
I had a great time with Catalyst even if I wish some elements in it were different, it's still a very original and different game compared to most stuff out there.
Mirror's Edge is a franchise that I really like, the atmosphere in it is so unique, if they plan to never use it again, maybe it should be given to another studio.
ZywyPL
Banned
They already remade ME, and honestly I can't see what more could've been done to a game with such simple, minimalistic gameplay, it's fantastic as it is, and given the current state of DICE it's better if they stay away from ME as far as possible (and Bad Company series).
If they really want to focus solely on BF, they should IMO scale down the game back to 24-32 players, smaller but well designed maps, more vehicles, better balance, bringing back the destruction maybe. So yeah, basically make a proper BC3.
If they really want to focus solely on BF, they should IMO scale down the game back to 24-32 players, smaller but well designed maps, more vehicles, better balance, bringing back the destruction maybe. So yeah, basically make a proper BC3.
DevilMayFlyForAWhiteGuy
Member
I really like Mirror’s Edge and even Catalyst too. Not the best games ever but unique in a sea of generic AAA games. But EA has been fucking up their games since the of the 360 era, so I was already not expecting any ME anytime soon. What do they have nowadays? Dead Space Remake? A game that didn’t need a remake, but that’s all they can come up with since they ruined the franchise with 3 and obviously know that that’s the fans’ sentiment.
Midn1ght
Member
I think a lot of negativity come from the reveal trailer when people who loved the original were disappointed by the "open world" aspect of the new game.
I'm also guilty of judging the game before even playing it. Catalyst was fantastic, I truly hope the franchise is not dead and that we get another one eventually.
gunslikewhoa
Member
It sure is paying off.
DAHGAMING
Gold Member
Then bring back Medal of Honor to try and replace it but itl be the same shit with a different name.
winjer
Gold Member
If they are only focusing in BF 2042, and this crap is the best they can do, then they are utterly incompetent.
But the reality is probably what we all know, and that has been reported by journalists. That Dice has abandoned BF 2042, only has a skeleton crew working on the game and is only doing the bare minimum not to get sued by those who bought the Premium passes.
JackSparr0w
Banned
Oh no who is this broad now? I thought Zampella took over.
NinjaBoiX
Member
I mean, that WAS the game though?
That’s like saying Gran Turismo is a really bad game with cool driving.
SlimeGooGoo
Banned
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digoutyoursoul
Member
Sell the IP
chromhound
Member
Ev1L AuRoN
Member
That's not true for Battlefield as a franchise, but after Battlefield 4, the game is getting worst and worst at every new entry, I still love Battlefield 1, but I realize it's not a game for everyone, V is weak and 2042 is trash.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
And I have no time for DICE. Not being dramatic, I just don't care about Battlefield. At all.
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S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Sounds good to me
There are tons of people that still care about BF. In fact I was just chatting with a firend today about upcoming games. This is a real transcript of our text conversation
"I really wanted to play division again but this new update turned it into a farming job"
"Weren’t you hyped on bf6? What happened there?"
"Game was a total fuck up. People stopped playing after a few months"
March Climber
Member
I can agree with this take regarding the second game, but not the first.
There have been deep dives and videos about how Catalyst's level design constantly fights against the great parkour design that was built upon from the first game, to the point where it truly felt like the level designer and parkour designer either didn't see eye to eye or at worst barely communicated to each other at all. Also, personally I feel like the devs didn't want combat in the 2nd game after all the criticisms regarding the first one, and instead they just wanted parkour running, parkour puzzling, and running away. However some suit might have pushed for it to still be in the game regardless.
The second game is like a house or building that was made to look beautiful on the outside but has terrible structural integrity, bad wiring, was built on unstable land, etc and yet still managed to be sold for a higher price than listed to an unsuspecting celebrity who thinks it's wonderful.
manfestival
Member
Yeah I likely would be playing BF1 if it still had players. I still have it installed and boot it up from time to time but... servers are dead. Then the ones that MAY have people in them are far away and my ping is horrendous which sours any experience I may have. BF1 I had more fun with than 3,4,5,and 42. Only one I know I had more fun with was BC2.
Side note: I know many people have given up on BF as a franchise and with good/deserving reason. However, I finally have hope for the franchise with Vince Zampella taking charge of the next game. That man is basically the Tom Cruise Missile of the gaming industry.
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VN1X
Banned
How so?
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
what DICE did when they made Mirror's Edge is/was something to be proud of.
That is where your focus should be and should of been with Mirror's Edge Catalyst
If you're going to chase FPS dream that you'll never get from Infinity Ward at least do a Anniversary Remaster/Remake of the original Mirrors Edge and call it a day.
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March Climber
Member
Ignore the title of the video and focus on what he's pointing out. There are more videos that go into this further. I'll try to find them if you want.
VN1X
Banned
Use your words yes.
digoutyoursoul
Member
I would of liked a third person Mirrors Edge, keep the art style, improve on the parkour elements and combat, basically a better Assassins Creed style but on the flip side I suppose being first person is a strong element to the game.
It’s a shame it will be dormant, I feel there is a lot of potential there, VR another element that could of made it more appealing.
It’s a shame it will be dormant, I feel there is a lot of potential there, VR another element that could of made it more appealing.
Roman Empire
Member
Now some CoD studios got liberated from their slave work and DICE is stuck with focusing on Battlefield and nothing else. Oh, the irony!
March Climber
Member
At work? Put the video on mute and turn on closed captions. Here's my other post above to sum up:
Ryu Kaiba
Member
Mirror's Edge was literally the only thing EA made that I gave a damn about. What a shame.
Sure Catalyst had it's flaws, because everyone at the time thought an open world Mirror's Edge was a good idea. I get that it's not a sales monster, but that IP had a soul that made their studio somewhat relevant to me.
I still regularly listen to music arrangements of its soundtrack on YouTube just to zone out when the vibe is right.
Sure Catalyst had it's flaws, because everyone at the time thought an open world Mirror's Edge was a good idea. I get that it's not a sales monster, but that IP had a soul that made their studio somewhat relevant to me.
I still regularly listen to music arrangements of its soundtrack on YouTube just to zone out when the vibe is right.
digoutyoursoul
Member
Kate Puzzle is my chill whilst walking track
