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Digital Foundry: Baldur's Gate 3 PlayStation 5 vs PC - The Digital Foundry Tech Review
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Heisenberg007
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Especially when KBM is supported at system level, devs just need to map a profile for it.
StereoVsn
Gold Member
Exactly, consoles support KBM and plenty of folks have wireless devices or have consoles hooked up to their monitors.
It is and I'm saying that as some kind of put down. Zen 3 and Renoir launched before and after the PS5 came out,since Sony's hardware is customized,the CPU could've been like "Cezanne lite" because the PS5 doesn't have 16MBs of L3$ nor is it unified.
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Solidus_T
Banned
True - but I don't think it's fair to expect the highest end CPU in the same year a console is released, especially when it had been in development for some time beforehand. IIRC, the Xbox Series X has the same CPU setup, with reduced cache and all.
Lysandros
Member
What about proper multi threaded optimization instead?
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
How about both? Pro console should be running the base console quality mode in 60fps and the base performance mode in "120." Then have their own 30/40fps quality mode profile with more bells and whistles on top of that.
Physiognomonics
Member
PS5 CPU is about 2700x.
skit_data
Member
Well that was a bit unexpected. There are definitely some chugging every now and then but it doesn't really correspond to what's going on on screen (at least not yet, I'm still early in the game) but reminds me of the slower loading we used to see on last gen consoles.
It's not anywhere near as slow of course but there are times when you sorta feel the game is not responding instantly to your input. It's not as "snappy" as most other games released recently.
With that said it really doesn't impact the game other than the inventory and looting feeling a bit wierd at times. The combat doesn't really rely on fast inputs anyway outside of stealth which does to some extent.
I'm completely hooked at the game right now, it's a pretty fresh experience because I haven't played any of Larians earlier games. If they sort out the loading and the mildly infurating bugs I'll be all satisfied.
It's not anywhere near as slow of course but there are times when you sorta feel the game is not responding instantly to your input. It's not as "snappy" as most other games released recently.
With that said it really doesn't impact the game other than the inventory and looting feeling a bit wierd at times. The combat doesn't really rely on fast inputs anyway outside of stealth which does to some extent.
I'm completely hooked at the game right now, it's a pretty fresh experience because I haven't played any of Larians earlier games. If they sort out the loading and the mildly infurating bugs I'll be all satisfied.
Lysandros
Member
Should? In theory? It's all theory at this point isn't it? Pro consoles/brute force approach is becoming "the" Damocles sword hampering software progression. Why the need for ingenious approches and good programming when corporations can throw new hardware at the problem every year backed by clueless customers? Go on with the vicious circle, why not, if the crowds demand it.
twilo99
Member
Is it going to affect you that much? Its a slow game..
twilo99
Member
Consoles are supposed to be designed for a 6-7 year cycle so the CPU being fine for the year it was released is incredibly short sighted when it comes to console design.
Leonidas
AMD's Dogma: ARyzen (No Intel inside)
Good to see a modern PC game humble old 2019 CPU cores 
PS5 version was running slower than 3600 non-X 6 core Zen2 in this game in Act 3. The PS5 CPU is not the same layout as 3700X. PS5 only has 8 MB of CPU cache, vs. 32 of the 3700X.
Mister Wolf
Member
Good to see a modern PC game humble old 2019 CPU cores
PS5 version was running slower than 3600 non-X 6 core Zen2 in this game in Act 3. The PS5 CPU is not the same layout as 3700X. PS5 only has 8 MB of CPU cache, vs. 32 of the 3700X.
Baldurs Gate is serving as a good CPU benchmarking tool.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
You'd still have to optimize for the base console with the lead in sales. I'm okay with the Pro brute forcing said base console quality mode at 60fps and having their own quality mode optimized for it on top of that. Granted, it would be first party still putting out that well polished software, and select third parties here and there.
Shadowstar39
Member
considering i only have 1080p displays (tvs and monitors) and a 3060ti, i am fine. People have become 4k snobs. I keep saying it, but 4k was pushed way to fast, just to sell tvs. Our tech isn't ready for that and our graphics suffer. 1080p sets look fine, plus I get 60fps all day and ray tracing, and the works, without breaking the bank.
Now for bg3, I am still in act 1, just barely out of the grove so we will see.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
I mean, it even drops BELOW 20 at times. That feels terrible just in general when moving around, even if the gameplay isn't fast-paced.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
Is it though? Is it properly multithreaded, or is it just a single thread benchmark?
feynoob
Banned
I think the pro needs better cpu first.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
That's the point of the entire discussion.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
You'd get a lot more KBM support on consoles if the systems weren't geared and marketed for people to sit on a sofa putting their feet up on an ottoman. Pretty hard to use KBM like that.
The console gamers willing to do KBM are probably ones who sit at a desk using a high quality PC monitor. Everyone else is slumming it slouching on a couch.
StereoVsn
Gold Member
There are wireless keyboard mouse setups for the couch. I have Razer Turret for Xbox, for example, which works fine for PS5 as well, btw.
twilo99
Member
If it takes away from the experience, then yes, I wouldn't bother.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
I dont doubt things work. But when it comes to that kind of stuff, when has any console maker promoted wireless KBM? If anything they promote selling $70 gamepads and Elite controllers worth double..
darrylgorn
Member
I would actually keep those shadows high quality and you should be able to remove DoF, dynamic crowds and lower fog and cloud quality on PC without compromising the experience.
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sankt-Antonio
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Hope PS5Pro is out once I reach Act3.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
That's not what we are discussing here. The consoles support it at system level where devs can choose to easily profile it there. There are a ton of popular and non-popular games that have that support. Especially shooters.
Fortnite has the exact same options and fine tuning support for the consoles that they do on the PC.
I would not be surprised when they patch KBM in down the road.
Low Moral Fibre
Member
I remember those war-torn days where if you looked the right way through a sniper scope in a bush in Hitman 3 the XSX version would drop to 40fps and the sky was falling. Now dozens of hours of the final act of a game running at 20-30fps in performance mode is a "fine port" - my disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined.
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fred420170
Member
huge difference between 18fps which is pretty much a slideshow and 50's which is fine for this type of game. How is this acceptable performance in 2023 on any platform?
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Thats the thing. Many games dont support it because a lot of gamers dont care for it or even know about it can be done. So game studios just make consoles have gamepad controls as default and maybe it gets lucky with MKB support.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
We know this.
Guilty_AI
Member
Doesn't the other GOTY candidate falls quite frequently into the low 20s?
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S0ULZB0URNE
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Not bad (Ultra settings FTW), but as always...would be better if weaker denominators weren't apart of the development process.
AtomicStarving
Member
Game got the same PC issues in Act 3 on PS5 wow
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Ultra Donny
Member
Seems like Sony should have offered some engineering help as well.
avin
Member
Yes, I think performance is actually impressive, all things considered, but the lack of KbM support is really puzzling for this game. Some people can play this with controller alone, but I just don't want to do that.
Anyone test cross-save with PC? I haven't seen that in either of the two PS5 threads. I can see myself still wanting it also on console, but only if cross-save works really well.
avin
MasterCornholio
Member
To be fair I don't expect any console to not have frame rate drops with this title.
MarkMe2525
Banned
Does the PS5 support m/k for any games? Excuse my ignorance
Edit: I see it does. Strange of them to remove support. Weird
Edit: I see it does. Strange of them to remove support. Weird
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StereoVsn
Gold Member
Yep, and they already have that setup for PC anyways!
Reportedly cross-save works fine. If course if you use mods on PC, YMMV.
Hoddi
Member
Here's the the spot they showed in the video. My 9900k is averaging 5 fully loaded physical cores and peaks at 12 logical cores in concurrent use.
Mind that it doesn't say anything about optimization. But the CPU isn't being left idle.
Ultra Donny
Member
I don't think you are wrong.
MasterCornholio
Member
Yes i mean blaming Sony for not providing tech support isn't correct in my opinion. The devs could have received it from them and didn't talk about. The only reason why we heard it from Xbox of things is due to the parity clause and the split screen feature.
Ultra Donny
Member
I'm sorry for blaming Sony.