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[DeepEnigma]

I never understood why there was so much hype about VRS, gaining a little performance at the cost of destroying image quality in some parts doesn't make sense.

It only seems to work well in VR applications when it's foveated with eye tracking. Not flat screen gaming. Especially large flat screen gaming.

 

[PropellerEar]

 

[Bojji]

You can listen again to what is being said.... VRS helps to raise the average resolution which is important when scaling from FSR2.

The possible "artifacts" for VRS are not constant, they do not always occur. In fact, it does not apply to daytime scenes or with luminosity . Nor to all the elements of the scene, only to certain points where its use can "go unnoticed"
That specific scene may become more evident due to the circumstances (darkness and bloom of lights), but it is not even remotely a constant situation. And I wouldn't rule out that the union with the scaling of FSR2 has somewhat accentuated its visibility in that scene.

In 90% of games released VRS looks dogshit with just slight resolution/fps (or nothing) increase.

Totally not worth using.

 

[Salty Popsicle]

It only seems to work well in VR applications when it's foveated with eye tracking. Not flat screen gaming. Especially large flat screen gaming.

Would have been perfect if paired with...

 

[Xtib81]

The game looks great on ps5 but that ghosting effect on the UI and the car certainly looks distracting. It wasn't there before. I hope fsr 3fixes it.

 

[Kenpachii]

What streets, its like a tiny circle worth of streets in dogtown lol

 

[Gaiff]

VRS=Vaseline Rate Shading. I recall it was one of the big talking points prior to the launch of the SX but besides The Coalition, nobody seems to have a clue on how to implement it because it looks like shit more often than not.

 

[Fbh]

PS5: 1008p
SX: 1152p

Damn, literally unplayable on Ps5

Damn, literally unplayable on Series X

 

[Gaiff]

It's a nice demo mode, but it's a pretty bad experience if you're actually playing like that. From visual artifact and glitches galore to half the missions being too dark to actually see anything as it was never balanced around PT.

That's complete bullshit.

 

[Darsxx82]

So overall you get wildly inconsistent IQ as a result. Great.

LOL.


Surely 99.99% of people would not notice or think that it is that . What's more, you will probably even detect the extra sharpness of the image sooner than artifacts that only occur in specific details of specific scenes where VRS has application. As I say, in daytime and bright scenes it does not apply.

The way you previously worded it made it seem as if the system is supposed to be able to account for where the player is looking, which it can't because the whole screen will be in focus when playing on a regular TV/monitor.

And this is the case in the vast majority of cases. It is usually applied to areas/details further away from the scene and darkened areas. While you play it will hardly be something that catches your attention and it certainly does not deteriorate the IQ in general, much less because it is only limited to objects, details and specific shadow areas, not to the general image as you try to affirm.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Needs more Vaseline.

 

[Chronicle]

Hmmm...
Got the dlc. Should I replay the whole game?

Choices.

 

[Skifi28]

Have the awful reflections been fixed? The console version had pretty nice visuals for the most part, but the reflections ruined everything, at least pre-patch.

 

[Darsxx82]

In 90% of games released VRS looks dogshit with just slight resolution/fps (or nothing) increase.

Totally not worth using.

Not everyone achieves the same implementation, that's correct. Among other things, because some Studios do not dedicate time to its correct implementation or the artistic vision of their games is not the most convenient for VRS

That said, there are many cases where its implementation is correct and achieves its purpose. Cases where 99.9% would not be able to detect their implementation if it were not for comparative zoom shots. And yet in those cases the extra sharpness to the general image is appreciated while achieving 1-2- or 3fps extra occasionally.

 

[Alebrije]

Doubt ,....

Does a 120 hz Tv helps to improve FPS on both modes but specially on RT mode?

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

That series x performance mode screenshot looks terrible. Jaggy triangles galore and can't even tell those lights on the left are supposed to be numbers.

 

[Kagoshima_Luke]

Finally put American sized streets in the game? I shook my head constantly driving around in the original game wondering who thought that was a good idea using alleys as main roads.

So, basically like driving in Japan?

 

[8BiTw0LF]

Need better tools. Just wait

 

[VolticArchangel]

- Perf mode
- SS: 648p~900p upscaled to 1080p

 

[Heisenberg007]

I don't understand, what's the point of making the game run at a higher resolution if you're just going to ruin it with this shoddy VRS? The numbers/letters to the left behind the pyramid aren't even legible due to how much it butchers the IQ.

I only realized those were supposed to be numbers after reading your comment.

 

[adamsapple]

What?

The whole screen is in vision. What the hell are you talking about?

You're not playing the game in 400% zoomed mode.

This is the very next line after talking about the VRS:

In actual gameplay, I didn't find that the VRS was noticeable.

 

[GymWolf]

How do I uninstall VRS on my Xbox?

Ask to Riky

 

[DeepEnigma]

You're not playing the game in 400% zoomed mode.

This is the very next line after talking about the VRS:

In actual gameplay, I didn't find that the VRS was noticeable.

Oliver tends to not noticed things, often. You don't need to have 400% zoom to notice numbers aren't legible when you look at them.

 

[Mr Moose]

You're not playing the game in 400% zoomed mode.

This is the very next line after talking about the VRS:

In actual gameplay, I didn't find that the VRS was noticeable.

I wouldn't trust Tom 2.0.

 

[GHG]

LOL.


Surely 99.99% of people would not notice or think that it is that . What's more, you will probably even detect the extra sharpness of the image sooner than artifacts that only occur in specific details of specific scenes where VRS has application. As I say, in daytime and bright scenes it does not apply.




And this is the case in the vast majority of cases. It is usually applied to areas/details further away from the scene and darkened areas. While you play it will hardly be something that catches your attention and it certainly does not deteriorate the IQ in general, much less because it is only limited to objects, details and specific shadow areas, not to the general image as you try to affirm.

You're not playing the game in 400% zoomed mode.

This is the very next line after talking about the VRS:

In actual gameplay, I didn't find that the VRS was noticeable.

Dudes I'm sorry, it's looks like ass. I don't know what else you want me to say.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Dudes I'm sorry, it's looks like ass. I don't know what else you want me to say.

You are supposed to appeal to "close to the vest" authority and not trust you own eyes.

 

[Darsxx82]

Dudes I'm sorry, it's looks like ass. I don't know what else you want me to say.

You can freely say what you want and I can also say that what you say does not correspond to reality....

 

[adamsapple]

I wouldn't trust Tom 2.0.

He could have just as well not pointed it out if there was an agenda behind it.

Dudes I'm sorry, it's looks like ass. I don't know what else you want me to say.

Nothing lol, no one's asking for an explanation.

We just don't play games in 300~400% zoom and even the guy comparing it is saying it's not noticeable when playing the game. It's a minor detail at best.

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The game has also always ran a few frames faster on PS5 since launch, while Xbox has always had a bit of a higher DRS, so those metrics are also pretty much the same.

VRS has been there in the game since it got the new-gen patch in 21'22.

The only thing new in this patch is that all consoles now have a lower resolution ceiling and the new areas they've added are taxing on performance for all of them.

 

[Mr Moose]

He could have just as well not pointed it out if there was an agenda behind it.

I don't trust him with resolutions, misses things and reports wrong like Tom.

 

[MarkMe2525]

I don't understand, what's the point of making the game run at a higher resolution if you're just going to ruin it with this shoddy VRS? The numbers/letters to the left behind the pyramid aren't even legible due to how much it butchers the IQ.

This effect was captured when he "panned the camera rapidly" and, he immediately follows by saying that it NOT noticeable during gameplay. That's probably why the effect was left in on Series X.

The engine obviously performs better on PS5's higher clocks, so if they can lift performance without degredating the visuals during gameplay on Series X and S by implementing VRS, why not.

 

[Darsxx82]

You are supposed to appeal to "close to the vest" authority and not trust you own eyes.

Because when you play, your eyes only see the details of an object/specific darkes area and at specific times at 400% zoom and not the entire image... Correct?

 

[DeepEnigma]

Because when you play, your eyes only see the details of an object/specific darkes area and at specific times at 400% zoom and not the entire image... Correct?

When I play, I have a massive large screen and I tend to take in games by looking all over and not a specific spot at all times when it comes to flat screen gaming. So yes, one does notice the artifacts. Game breaker? No, but to have IQ issues and still lower performance, it wasn't the "holy grail" being propagated 3 years ago by brand fanatics. Stock AMD features are subpar in a world of DLSS or other studio's custom reconstruction.

 

[MarkMe2525]

Dudes I'm sorry, it's looks like ass. I don't know what else you want me to say.

You claim to not understand why the effect is utilized. It is explained that the negative attributes pictured are not visible during gameplay. You then double down....

 

[GHG]

You claim to not understand why the effect is utilized. It is explained that the negative attributes pictured are not visible during gameplay. You then double down....

So is this where we're at? You want to valiantly defend a technique that is quite literally an image quality destroyer?

Your loss my friend. You'd be better off if it weren't used at all but I guess in this case upholding the marketing is far more important than what our eyes can see.

This effect was captured when he "panned the camera rapidly" and, he immediately follows by saying that it NOT noticeable during gameplay. That's probably why the effect was left in on Series X.

There is no situation where panning the camera should result in that big a drop-off in IQ. Succinctly, please explain to me why you guys are not asking for them to remove it, or at the very least an option for the end-user to remove it?

 

[Darsxx82]

When I play, I have a massive large screen and I tend to take in games by looking all over and not a specific spot at all times when it comes to flat screen gaming. So yes, one does notice the artifacts. Game breaker? No, but to have IQ issues and still lower performance, it wasn't the "holy grail" being propagated 3 years ago by brand fanatics. Stock AMD features are subpar in a world of DLSS or other studio's custom reconstruction.

???
If you look at the general image and not details or objects in specific places......then the use of VRS should not be a problem for you, in fact it is created with that idea.

Also on a large screen you would detect or even celebrate an extra general sharpness rather than VRS artifacts in some specific detail or object that you would not even know how to define if it is a result of using VRS...... but OK, let's pretend to believe that you are ultra sensitive and part of that 0.1% of the population.

 

[sinnergy]

So is this where we're at? You want to valiantly defend a technique that is quite literally an image quality destroyer?

Your loss my friend. You'd be better off if it weren't used at all but I guess in this case upholding the marketing is far more important than what our eyes can see.

If used correctly, it’s a great performance boost, look at Gears 5.

 

[saintjules]

Sorry, didn't see the previous posts.

 

[DeepEnigma]

???
If you look at the general image and not details or objects in specific places......then the use of VRS should not be a problem for you, in fact it is created with that idea.

Also on a large screen you would detect or even celebrate an extra general sharpness rather than VRS artifacts in some specific detail or object that you would not even know how to define if it is a result of using VRS...... but OK, let's pretend to believe that you are ultra sensitive and part of that 0.1% of the population.

Ok.

Keep sticking up for subpar shit.

 

[GHG]

If used correctly, it’s a great performance boost, look at Gears 5.

So is it safe to say they are not deploying the technique correctly here?

What happens if/when they fix it then? All these people who are currently defending what it results in ask for them to break it again?

Ok.

Keep sticking up for subpar shit.

Just don't look at the areas of the screen where the VRS is in action ok?

 

[Tripolygon]

You claim to not understand why the effect is utilized. It is explained that the negative attributes pictured are not visible during gameplay. You then double down....

VRS is visible during gameplay, you are halving and in some case shading at quarter the resolution. How visible it is, is dependent on implementation and how aggressive you reduce the shading rate. You are sacrificing shading resolution for performance.

 

[Imtjnotu]

Hope this patch unlocked the RDNA2 on ps5

 

[adamsapple]

If used correctly, it’s a great performance boost, look at Gears 5.

Yep. If you can't notice a difference when playing, it's working as intended.

Moving Gears to Tier 2 Variable Rate Shading - DirectX Developer Blog

The team at The Coalition haven’t stopped innovating since bringing Tier 1 VRS to Gears Tactics, and have brought Tier 2 VRS support to both Gears 5 and Gears Tactics. The team saw similarly large perf gains from VRS Tier 2 – up to 14%! – this time with no noticeable visual impact. See for […]

devblogs.microsoft.com

Tier 2 VRS allowed Gears 5/Tactics to see an up to 14% boost in GPU perf with no perceptible impact to visual quality

 

[TheShocker]

I thought something looked off on Xbox in performance mode. Quality RT looks fantastic and will be how I play until VRS is disabled.

 

[Darsxx82]

Just don't look at the areas of the screen where the VRS is in action ok?

The joke is that you probably wouldn't know how to determine whether a game is using VRS or not if someone didn't tell you and show a comparative capture at 400%, but let's try to make people believe that the use of VRS causes retinal detachment.

 

[Darsxx82]

I thought something looked off on Xbox in performance mode. Quality RT looks fantastic and will be how I play until VRS is disabled.

VRS Is used un both modes. What you've probably noticed is that in performance mode the game runs at a lower average resolution and lacks the fidelity of RT shading.

 

[ManaByte]

Starting a fresh play through on PS5 this weekend.

 

[MarkMe2525]

So is this where we're at? You want to valiantly defend a technique that is quite literally an image quality destroyer?

Your loss my friend. You'd be better off if it weren't used at all but I guess in this case upholding the marketing is far more important than what our eyes can see.



There is no situation where panning the camera should result in that big a drop-off in IQ. Succinctly, please explain to me why you guys are not asking for them to remove it, or at the very least an option for the end-user to remove it?

I would be better off if they didn't use a technique that is not noticeable during gameplay? I need to succinctly explain why I am not asking Bethesda to remove something that is NOT noticeable during gameplay? A technique, which is not noticeable during gameplay, is a "image quality destroyer".




Amazing how such hyperbole can be derived from a visual artifact, that is only visible while "rapidly panning the camera" and pausing to capture an unresolved frame from the game.

Edit: I said Bethesda instead of CDPR. My bad, I was playing Starfield while typing this out.

 

[King Dazzar]

The joke is that you probably wouldn't know how to determine whether a game is using VRS or not if someone didn't tell you and show a comparative capture at 400%, but let's try to make people believe that the use of VRS causes retinal detachment.

You could use that argument on any image - unless you see a side by side comparison you may not realise. But that doesn't negate the fact, and it is a fact. That there's some image degradation going on with the technique on this example. Its Ok to debate if its actually noticeable or not. As many variables like panel quality, size and seating distance are going to have an impact. But on my 85" panel I'd be surprised if it didnt look better without. Historically I've seen similar type zoomed in comparison shots for AA techniques and your eye can usually pick up on it.

 

[sendit]

Nice try, that is a XSS screenshot.


/s

 

[sendit]