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[Digital Foundry] Star Wars Jedi Survivor PS5 Pro: Severe Image Quality Problems... But RT in Performance Mode Is Nice
- Thread starter Lunatic_Gamer
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Vick
Gold Member
That "bloody Youtuber" is literal genius in this case, though.
The only explanation really.
dreamstation
Member
I'm currently playing through the first game on the Pro and even it suffers from random slowdowns and what not on performance mode. Not enough to be a big problem but still wonder why it has issues at all.
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Game's are just very poorly optimized. I remember the first one coming out with a myriad of bugs as well.
Physiognomonics
Member
They are picking the worst games running on Pro! They did the same thing when PS4 Pro was released when they did full articles about how TLOU remastered was running slower (before been patched).
Where are the fully featured articles about Dragon Dogma 2, BG3, Monster hunter Wilds. Where is the full comparison between Spider-man 2 PSSR and PC DLSS? They seem to focus on the worst cases of games running on PS5 Pro, exactly like I expected they would.
Alan Wake 2 and this game are the worst games on Pro, litteraly.
Where are the fully featured articles about Dragon Dogma 2, BG3, Monster hunter Wilds. Where is the full comparison between Spider-man 2 PSSR and PC DLSS? They seem to focus on the worst cases of games running on PS5 Pro, exactly like I expected they would.
Alan Wake 2 and this game are the worst games on Pro, litteraly.
Skifi28
Member
I disagree that it looks worse in performance mode than before having spent many hours in the game. There's some extra instability sure, but the image looks much sharper/cleaner than it used to with FSR and you also get rid of all the artifacts that were very apparent in fast motion/combat which is most of the game really. Performance is extremely stable now and rock solid even at the worst parts it would buckle or stutter before. If they can fix the flickering vegetation, I'd be really happy with it. Really surprising it can keep a straight 60 even with RT while activating RT on even monster CPUs you basically flip a kill switch.
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TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Imo those would be the most interesting to watch: games by third party devs that just also happen to be talented enough to implement a patch for the Pro without screwing up like with Jedi or Alan Wake.
We already know that first party games are going to look great. Show us all the other games.
I had exactly the same thought.
Can't deny that these pro patches are pretty crap though. I'm just glad they're games I've no interest in
dreamstation
Member
Respawn are usually pretty good at that sort of thing so that's why it's odd that these games have issues like they do. Hope they get this one sorted before I get around to playing it but the fact the first game still suffers doesn't fill me with confidence
Bloody Crow of Cainhurst
Member
The quest to make consoles more like PCs has been absolutely disastrous for console gaming. Whoever's making the decision to put RT reflections and upscaling and whatever else over rasterization because they saw Nvidia do it on PC should have instead accepted that AMD is not Nvidia, and simply focused on performance and resolution with baked-in lighting. This is only going to get worse as time progresses, smh.
Bojji
Member
This game drops below 720p.
You know what they could have done instead of adding back RT? Increase resolution to make it cleaner, even leave FSR2 (PSSR has massive issues here) but have better image quality thanks to more power. They reconstructed to 1440p with FSR on PS5, 4K target would look better.
I freaking remember reading that the pro proformance mode is the mode to go..
These guys kinda delusional to be honest. You expect this kinda image quality and stability to look good on a big screen TV?
Just stick with the base ps5 performance mode and up the rest to maybe 1200p to 1300p. I think it is the RT that causing issue with most of the instability in this game. So 1200p to 1300p should be looking good just like FF7R.
bundylove
Gold Member
According to those who now are more quite than a 3 months old corpse , i am rocking it with this tv.
Never mind my 20/20 lasik extra vision that cost me a fortune or my big ass 2023 tv.
But hey i cant see for shit. Enough of the attacks. Lets call it for what it is even if its just a current problem its still a big ass problem.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
XXL
Member
It's hilarious that PC gamers are so focused on graphics, when most of them play games at 1080p or lower.
Below 720p? I heard it wrong? It average around 900p and drop to 720p right?
rabbity-thing
Member
I guess I understand the desire to rake PS5 Pro through the coals, but I'm not sure poor performance from Jedi Survivor is indicative of anything beyond Respawns continued difficulty in regards to optimizing this particular title.
Garbage in, Garbage out*.
*Image quality wise, cause, otherwise, the game is pretty great.
Garbage in, Garbage out*.
*Image quality wise, cause, otherwise, the game is pretty great.
Mister Wolf
Member
Remember the glorious days of the PS4 Pro when just upping the resolution was enough. Some of these developers making this more complicated then it needs to be. When Remedy stated that upping the input resolution didn't make much of a difference for AW2 when deciding on the Pro patch, I didn't believe them. My first though was "I wanna see that for myself".
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DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Watching on my tv now and I really can't believe how close ps5 pro patches are looking to the original ps5 with worse artefacts.
What an absolute mess this consoles launch is for third party games.
What an absolute mess this consoles launch is for third party games.
Ronin_7
Member
They'll figure it out but yeah.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Devs really are showing serious incompetence here.
100000% if they asked sony for help, a sony engineer would be flown to their location asap to help them with this shit.
They are either too proud or too stupid to notice how bad of a job they do
Skifi28
Member
They could have done many things, but it is what it is. I've played it and it looks nothing like 720p or what FSR reconstruction in performance-balance looks like. Image quality was rather decent in my experience and better than before. Like I said, if they can fix the flickering vegetation I'm good. Yes, they could have picked their battles better, but for an accumulation of bad tech decisions that this game has been, the result isn't as bad as DF suggests. At least to my experience.
King Dazzar
Member
Yep. As I said in the patch thread recently. For me it was a mixed bag, looking both good and bad at the same time. Performance mode on the base PS5, looked very low res, with awful distant detail. On the Pro, its now far clearer with better detail and distant detail and looks far more 4k like. But image stability on some edges and especially vegetation is very poor. I preferred it on the Pro though for sure.
Just as I gave up on base PS5, I also shelved it on Pro. Unfortunately it retains the title of Janky Jedi.
XXL
Member
This is waaay more fun.
They can't take half of what you guys have taken.
bundylove
Gold Member
Silent hill 2 says i am taking thr crown
Bojji
Member
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TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Should be simple: make the game run at 60fps, increase resolution as much as possible and voila, the game looks and runs way better than on the base model.
Instead they are being retarded. RT? Sure! Looks like shit? Who cares!
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Yup. Horrific work here. Doesn't look any different than ps5 really. It could literally be a ps5 vs xbox face off with one having engine issues on the API
XXL
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Lol, I said this way before people complained about image quality.
Th RT at 60fp on consoles is not worth it. It eats all the bandwidth, GPU times, CPU times, and there is nothing left except low resolution and unstable frame rate.
Vick
Gold Member
But it dropped to like 20fps or even lower in Performance before on base PS5.. surely those instances are not locked 60fps on Pro?
But even if it is, some choices they made are puzzling at the very best. How the hell could they not see that AO crap, or regard it as acceptable?
Capcom being the outliner.. thank God, only third party games I cared about are all flawless.
saintjules
Gold Member
Where are the mods is what I'm wondering.
Interesting. Yea this is really bad. Like extremely bad. But hey at least there 1224p there. The devs just got themselves save from a lawsuit.
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Yeah same...
Maybe they think it's good for the engagement? It sure has been fun seeing him going more insane thread after thread.
King Dazzar
Member
FWIW I played through the whole starting city and then the next planet. Without VRR enabled and it was a locked 60fps the entire time.
Skifi28
Member
After the patch that removed RT in performance mode, it was mostly 60 but there were some parts the framerate would tank or stutter. Koboh was generally the worst offender and after 2 hours of running around most of it on pro, I couldn't really get any noticable fps drops so I imagine the rest of the game should now be pretty much locked everywhere else. I Agree about the the flickering AO, it's way too obvious for someone to miss it. I'd say I have no idea how it happened, but the game has had terrible tech decisions from day one till now.
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Zathalus
Member
The breakdown makes for some good entertainment.Yeah same...
Maybe they think it's good for the engagement? It sure has been fun seeing him going more insane thread after thread.
proandrad
Member
So just like the original PS5 version, the fix is to removed ray tracing from the performance mode. Ray-tracing this generation continues to be a mistake. The game doesn't even look that good to run so bad. WTF happened to Respawn, Titanfall 1/2 were masterful technically.
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XXL
Member
2 days in an you're calling for the mods.Yeah same...
Maybe they think it's good for the engagement? It sure has been fun seeing him going more insane thread after thread.
PC gamers are the most sensitive group on this site.
You guys are weak sauce....like the most used GPUs on Steam.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
648p? We Series S now, boys.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
King Dazzar
Member
To be fair there's been a lot of blatant agenda trolling and stirring from others. If you're going to point guns, maybe include them in your sights too.Yeah same...
Maybe they think it's good for the engagement? It sure has been fun seeing him going more insane thread after thread.
Yeah I don’t think I’ll ever buy this console if third party devs don’t manage to master the hardware (personally not interested to replay TLOU2 for a third time or boring Horizon games)
They might get good results in two years maybe, but that will be too close to the PS6.
I am really not sure this Pro is worth it.
They might get good results in two years maybe, but that will be too close to the PS6.
I am really not sure this Pro is worth it.
