DigitalFoundry: Hands-on with PS4 1080p 30fps...!!
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That... that's probably the best analogy I've heard in the past 20 minutes.
Yeah I see what ya mean. Literally. I understand a little better what the big fuss is then. If they can accomplish it for current gen, why can't other companies (including Killzone's) achieve the same frame rate. Okay, I understand the point of these frustrations.
The animation and physics should create the weight, not controller latency and deadzones.
If a game is built around the feel of the input (and it was in Killzone 2) then I'm not sure I agree. I want Killzone to retain its feel and identity.
No they don't lol. Killzone is not a twitch shooter. You don't get these sorts of visuals at 60fps.
Great, here comes the gifs. You know that these low res gifs do nothing to prove any graphical point, right? They hide the flaws in many ways which makes a game look better than it really does.
Impeccable
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I could have sworn people were writing off DF like a week ago for being irrelevant, lol
Uno Venova
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I bet they don't, neither do i really.
That's not really a fair comparison. COD has more auto aim including a full on snap lock, than most shooters ever created. It also has far higher sensitivity and movement speed compared to Halo. The frame rate is just one part of why it feels smoother.
To be fair, we don't know that this isn't the case. Digital Foundry played a demo. They performed no precise measurements of "input lag".
Because 30fps looks better in screenshots and trailers on youtube. It means they can have more effects playing at once.
No they don't lol. Killzone is not a twitch shooter. You don't get these sorts of visuals at 60fps.
and this is why? i read a lot of times they could but chose 30 fps instead (no reason for that, just "target").
IIRC Hermen Hulst said they are using the same engine (but obviously upgraded) in an interview with Machinima
Here you go. Looks just as, if not more impressive on the big screen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUjQ4DJXLzw
edit: Collected all the negatives together so as to better enjoy those GAF tears
Not saying I'm gonna cry because of it, but that's my personal reason why I couldn't call a proper winner after E3: I ended liking PS4 way more than XBONE because of Sony's attitude towards gamers, of the greater power compared to MS's system and due to the aggressive price... That said, the games on the whole left me kinda uninspired (even the ones praised as awesome, like inFamous).
soundscream
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"Now close your eyes and imagine.....this was an Xbone article"
99% sure that it was. Graphics were way too good.
Baller. PhD
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And Halo 5 will be that much better at 60fps now, too.
Sushen
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It sounds like XBone games had longer development time. Optimization is an ongoing task for engineers and judging a game based on a demo version which isn't even beta isn't exactly fair. Lets wait and see.
1st Course
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WOW@Warframe, 20 FPS really? How is this even possible? This thing run better than that on a GPUs that are half as powerful as the PS4 GPU.
gundamkyoukai
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Whats good ?
It was expect that KI and Forza would be 60fps .
One is a fighting game and the other is a sim both types of games where 60fps this gen .
I would love for all of Sony games to be 60fps but with all multi games going to be mostly the same it's easy to see why they would chose eye candy for there games .
Yup. Input lag built into the game = bad game. I thought this was fixed with Killzone 3? Did the fans really like the input lag that much? It's ridiculous some people defended Killzone 2, saying the game breaking input lag was just "weight".
Glad to see everything at native 1080p though. That was THE most important thing they could do this generation.
lol, there really is a difference.
"Now close your eyes and imagine.....this was an Xbone article"
"lets wait and see" would be a rather uncommon post in a xb1 thread
then give me 30FPS on all games and focus on 1080p grfx i want better grfx this gen. Crazy visuals
"Now close your eyes and imagine.....this was an Xbone article"
unfortunately , majority of the xb1 games weren't even running on XB1 hardware
Fortunately a game like Forza5 (1080p60 to remind you) was running on xbone hardware.
The XBone article was very similar with the 60fps exceptions being KI (which graphically looks a bit ass compared to a lot of other games) and Forza 5. Turn 10 are wizards when it comes to that type of thing though, huge fans of theirs.
Fighting and driving need that 60FPS and a lot of other games are just better with it. It's why DriveClub could be dead to me and let's be honest, it's a maximum of 6 months awaya nd they're already having drops from 30fps. I don't hold out much hope.
InfiniteNine
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Disappointing, games should prioritize great smooth feeling gameplay than graphics.
TheVampire
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Everything probably still needs to be optimized.
PS3/360 Graphics got better and better as the years past.
PS3/360 Graphics got better and better as the years past.
Canis lupus
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It will. The PS4 is capable of running things like the Dark Sorcerer demo or The Order 1886 trailer in realtime, I say the difference in performance is pretty apparent.
amstradcpc
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Top graphics games will end up being 720p30. It´s the only way we are going to achieve "Last Samaritan" level this gen. And, afterall, this time PS4 has a decent upscaler...
shinobi602
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Why would they change it? They specifically design Killzone games to play like that, and I'm glad they do. Gives it uniqueness.
The reason why we get shitty framerates is because gamers like shitty framerates and reviewers don't give a fuck about framerates. It's like they don't understand their own medium and the importance of well done interaction.
Read the various Last of Us threads and be educated. You guys just get what you want.
Read the various Last of Us threads and be educated. You guys just get what you want.
High latency always hurts a game. It's bad. Full stop. You can be 60fps and not be a twitch shooter.
It's important to press a button and have it be recognized as fast as possible.
A feeling of weight can be done entirely through animation and speed.
Killzone 2 would be a much better game if it was 60fps.
It's important to press a button and have it be recognized as fast as possible.
A feeling of weight can be done entirely through animation and speed.
Killzone 2 would be a much better game if it was 60fps.
(Infamous) "The frame-rate is very consistent too, and there's no obvious pop-in on the horizon when bounding across rooftops."
Hate to disagree with them, but I noticed textures/objects not loading, and entire buildings (an entire watch tower) popping in. Some was just across the street, and most of it wasn't more than 75 yards to 2 blocks away.
Was very obvious to me on rooftops. Ground level/enclosed areas were fine.
2D Trees, rough ground textures and background (granted anything within 50' looks nice)
Buildings just 2 blocks away with worse draw distance/texturing than current gen open world games I've played.
Watchtower on the right popping in out of nowhere, building textures/polys changing and/or popping-in.
Hate to disagree with them, but I noticed textures/objects not loading, and entire buildings (an entire watch tower) popping in. Some was just across the street, and most of it wasn't more than 75 yards to 2 blocks away.
Was very obvious to me on rooftops. Ground level/enclosed areas were fine.
2D Trees, rough ground textures and background (granted anything within 50' looks nice)
Buildings just 2 blocks away with worse draw distance/texturing than current gen open world games I've played.
Watchtower on the right popping in out of nowhere, building textures/polys changing and/or popping-in.
Pie and Beans
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Yeah, I love the way Killzone games have weight/"lag" to their aiming rather than impossible oiled up twitch cyborg shooting. Makes you feel like a heavy ass soldier and not a camera on greased rollerskates.
MusicGangATL
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father time always works his magic. dev talent> spec sheets will still be enjoying my ps4 launch titles.
It was patched in Killzone 2 and fixed in Killzone 3 and I'm sure this game will have the ability to turn it off too. It's a non-issue, but yes it did make the game feel like the guns had some weight to them.
omg at that need for speed rivals video.
now i am going to buy it. %$#%. its like NFS HP. the best Need for speed game i ever played.
i am so fucking excited.
god damn where have i been ???
EDIT : is need for speed HP servers on PS3 still up ?
are they active ?
it would be great if someone can share this info as i think i want to buy the game again
now i am going to buy it. %$#%. its like NFS HP. the best Need for speed game i ever played.
i am so fucking excited.
god damn where have i been ???
EDIT : is need for speed HP servers on PS3 still up ?
are they active ?
it would be great if someone can share this info as i think i want to buy the game again
Uno Venova
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It's too bad KZ doesn't have any recoil to go along with that weight.
If there's any input lag at all when the game releases it's an issue.
Input lag isn't "weight", it's a technical flaw that does not belong in video games. Ever.
If you can turn it off like the last two games, it's not an issue.
I dont think its fair to write off DriveClub for not being 60fps. Games like PGR4 and Forza Horizon were only 30fps and looked great while still feeling very slick. DriveClub falls in this same niche with these games in terms of being a realistic-looking, yet not totally realistic driving, sort of game.