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Doctor Who 50th Anniversary |OT| Splendid Chap, All Of Them

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Blader

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Started my selective Matt Smith rewatch yesterday. Seeing The Eleventh Hour again was so good. Moffat's writing has definitely taken a hit over the years because the dialogue in this episode is among the sharpest the show has had.

Three years later and this exchange still makes me laugh:

DOCTOR: Her and me, we're safe. Want to know why? She sent for back up.
AMY: I didn't send for back-up!
DOCTOR: I know. That was a clever lie to save our lives. Okay, yeah, no back up. And that's why we're safe. Alone, we're not a threat to you. If we had back up, you'd have to kill us.
ATRAXI Attention, Prisoner Zero. The human residence is surrounded. Attention Prisoner Zero. The human residence is surrounded.
AMY: What's that?
DOCTOR: Well, that would be back up. Okay, one more time. We do have back up and that's definitely why we're safe.
ATRAXI: Prisoner Zero will vacate the human residence or the human residence will be incinerated.
DOCTOR: Well, safe apart from, you know, incineration.
 
They're obviously supposed to be a stagnant/declining Empire, that's precisely why the Daleks are even able to fight them to a stalemate in the first place.

Well yeah - sorry, are you arguing just that the reality is a letdown, not that they should have been more powerful like crow was? Because everything in Day totally agrees with what Robert Holmes & Russel T Davis put on screen.
 

Dryk

Member
Why are the timelord now sympathetic? I'll tell you why because the story dictated that they needed to be. They were locked away by the doctor for good reason or so we are told in Tennant's last run. but here it's all "How many Children, blah, blah, blah!"
Regardless of the actions of their government and military commanders, they're not all bad. Just like civilisations here on Earth.

Ten stopped them because the High Council was rotten to the core and willing to destroy the universe in order to win
Everyone else just seemed scared of them because they didn't give two shits about collateral damage
 

Vinci

Danish
I cannot imagine anyone suggesting that American TV is some Wonderland filled with nothing but well-plotted, pristinely acted masterpieces well beyond what's capable in Who. If that were true, if more American shows even came close to what Who is capable of, I'd likely have no time to watch Who.

Of course that's not true.
 

Joqu

Member
This is kind of out of the blue, but is there any reason why the McGann movie hasn't had a Blu-Ray release so far? Did they lose that too or what
 

Tizoc

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Whenever the beeb get round to releasing the rest on blu-ray, it will look a bit better, just because of the reduction of compression in blu ray(unless they just use the extra space to pack on more episodes....which isn't entirely unlikely come to think of it



Tizzy, whatever the most recent issuing of a dvd for a serial that exists is the best, if you see here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Doctor_Who_DVD_and_Blu-ray_releases

You will see quite a few "Special Edition's", and "available on revisitation set x". Special Editions & revisitations are when the restoration team took a second go at restoring a serial with the latest technology, so you will want those when available.

Thanks i didn't know about that wiki page =)
 
This is kind of out of the blue, but is there any reason why the McGann movie hasn't had a Blu-Ray release so far? Did they lose that too or what

Like "The Next Generation", the tv movie was edited on tape, so there is no complete film print. The bbc doesn't have the kind of money CBS does, and the likely low sales of any blu ray release means recreating the effects as done in TNG would likely be very cost prohibitive.
 
It still doesn't make sense. The Time Lords had hand-held weapons that could erase targets from space and time. The engines of their starships are powered by the energy provided from a captured black hole. While the Doctor was fiddling with the Moment the rest of the time lords hatched a plan to destroy the universe itself.

Meanwhile, on the front lines, all they have are piddly little laser guns? Just doesn't add up. It's like suggesting that if China launched an invasion of the USA, they'd defend themselves with flintlock rifles.

But, again, it's the last day. The big fights have been fought. China have invaded the USA, the military have been defeated, and now theyre just going around shooting the last remaining civilians (this is a really disturbing analogy). The Time Lords are smart enough (and pompous enough) to not want to fight on their own turf unless its a last resort.
 
I was never sure if it was 'the last day' because one side was about to lose, or if it was 'the last day' because that's the day when WarDoc ended it. IYSWIM.

Fair point. Though Arcadia had fallen which was supposedly the safest place on Gallifrey so it was at least not looking great for the Time Lords. But I appreciate the idea that this war probably could've gone on for millennia if the Doctor hadn't intervened.
 
It still doesn't make sense. The Time Lords had hand-held weapons that could erase targets from space and time. The engines of their starships are powered by the energy provided from a captured black hole. While the Doctor was fiddling with the Moment the rest of the time lords hatched a plan to destroy the universe itself.

Meanwhile, on the front lines, all they have are piddly little laser guns? Just doesn't add up. It's like suggesting that if China launched an invasion of the USA, they'd defend themselves with flintlock rifles.


Well, this is why RTD kept it all off-screen, because you can't really do it justice without Hollywood levels of money. The 50th is very impressive when you consider it was probably made with under 2 million, but the ideas expressed in previous dialogue about the war is something 2 million will never do, not with any amount of clever spending or wrangling. To quote the man himself:

RTD in Doctor Who Magazine said:
Recently, I was asked to proofread Gary Russell's marvellous Doctor Who: The Encyclopedia. And under C for Cruciform, he'd written that this was seized by the Daleks... on Gallifrey! No, I said to him! Oh no! NO!!! And he reacted with genuine surprise, cos he'd honestly assumed from the Master's speech ("I was there when the Dalek Emperor took control of the Cruciform") that this Cruciform, whatever it is, was on the Time Lord's home planet.

Now, in my fevered thoughts, I happen to know exactly what the Cruciform was, and what it did (and it's more terrible than I can say, of a scale and ferocity that's absolutely untransmittable on primetime BBC One, or anywhere, come to that; the Time War wasn't just spaceships and super-zooming battles, it was a disgusting, horrific, temporal hell). And bless Gary, he was lovely about it, and amended the entry.

But I've spent a good while since, thinking that I was wrong. That if Gary thinks it was Gallifreyan, then he's got every right to think so. It's not mine any more! And I've got no plans to show a Cruciform at work - not unless we ever get a Lord of the Rings-size budget (anyone? No? Please? Hush, Phil, be quiet) so nothing's about to appear on screen that would contradict Gary's theory.

And yet, and yet... I'm still glad we changed the entry, cos while you can argue forever about bleedin' canonicity and its sources, the Encyclopedia's status as an official BBC book, sanctioned by the production office, would have given the Gallifrey theory more weight. It would have become that awful thing, a fact. And that's taking it away from you. It's taking away the choice. The Master's fleeting reference to the Cruciform had 7.5 million viewers; that allows for 7.5 million different versions of the Cruciform to exist. And actually... isn't that brilliant? Isn't that the best thing an idea can do, go anywhere, be anything, for anyone?

The Golden Age, the Cruciform, the Fall of Arcadia, the Church of the Tin Vagabond, all of 'em. They're yours. Just as I've treasured my own versions of Ancient Silurian Civilisation, and the origin of the Great Intelligence, and whatever-happened-to-the-rest-of-the-Zygons, for years and years and years. I think that's Doctor Who's greatest legacy - an imagination that goes way beyond the screen, and all the way into your head, where it's yours, forever.

...which is a really lovely quote. Partially spoiled now, but still. Moffat's much more of a show than tell guy, of course. Sometimes, though, things are best left a mystery. But here we now have it.
 
Just a heads up, people over at GB are reporting the UK Blu Ray is slowed down to 24p, it's causing some audio problems etc.

Also, Tizoc, classic Who will never be better than DVD quality. Although, Spearhead From Space received a Blu release as it was the only story completely shot on film.


So yea, this slow down is kind of annoying.

Not that bad, but the TARDIS sounds awful when it materialises and de-dematerialises.
 

Joqu

Member
The UK Blu-Ray of The Day of The Doctor is slowed down? The US release isn't region free is it? :/

Like "The Next Generation", the tv movie was edited on tape, so there is no complete film print. The bbc doesn't have the kind of money CBS does, and the likely low sales of any blu ray release means recreating the effects as done in TNG would likely be very cost prohibitive.

I see, thanks for the answer. I wasn't taking the effects in consideration, I thought it was a problem due to Fox or something like that.
 

takriel

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If you mean the actual theme-theme, I have a sneaking suspicion they may keep the 7b sound for a while yet. If you mean in-show, Murray Gold has already spoken about dreading having to throw I Am The Doctor in the bin (thank god - it's wonderful but is wearing bloody thin now - I never understood why he didn't follow the path of Series 1-4, where the 'action theme' changed every year) in order to create something new.

If it's anything like the past, I Am The Doctor will probably rear its head a touch in Capaldi's first few episodes subtly as a reminder and then fade into another theme. I do miss the old mysterious Eccleston/Tennant Doctor theme, but it's better to miss it now than to have it feel overused! Weirdly that theme has been used once in Smith's run, in A Good Man Goes to War. Very strange it cropped up there..

Well because "I am the Doctor" is just an amazing piece of music. I really hope Gold comes up with something equally epic for Capaldi's Doctor!
 
Does anyone in the US or Canada import UK DVD's like Doctor Who? Do you have any issues getting a multiregion DVD players to display properly on a US HDTV?

I know NTSC is not an issue in PAL Land any more, but I'm just not sure about the reverse since I just moved to the US. The UK DVD's are a lot cheaper than in the US and most of my original series collection is either Region 2 or Region 4.

I'm about to buy a 3D TV, mainly to watch the 50th special in 3D. It'd be great if this would also play my huge library of DW DVDs if I ever have them shipped here.
 

Joqu

Member
The older Doctor theme was in A Good Man Goes to War? I didn't notice that and I always loved that one. Is it on the soundtrack CD?
 
The UK Blu-Ray of The Day of The Doctor is slowed down? The US release isn't region free is it? :/



I see, thanks for the answer. I wasn't taking the effects in consideration, I thought it was a problem due to Fox or something like that.

Apparently the UK version is slowed down as they used the American version of the show instead of the UK one.
(Only going by whats on Gallifrey Base at the moment)

Its ok I guess. I can live with it.

The DVD is apparently ok though, only the Blu Rays are different.
 

Fiktion

Banned
I was never sure if it was 'the last day' because one side was about to lose, or if it was 'the last day' because that's the day when WarDoc ended it. IYSWIM.

I thought it was laid out well in The End of Time. It was a chain of events; the Daleks had cornered the Time Lords and laid siege to Gallifrey, and in response Rassilon got desperate and came up with the Ultimate Sanction. That left the Doctor no choice but to end it before the Time Lords could put it into action.

Basically the Daleks were about to win, Rassilon was a sore loser and was like fuck everything, and then the Doctor was like no fuck you both.
 

Joqu

Member
Apparently the UK version is slowed down as they used the American version of the show instead of the UK one.
(Only going by whats on Gallifrey Base at the moment)

Its ok I guess. I can live with it.

The DVD is apparently ok though, only the Blu Rays are different.

I guess I should consider investing in a region free Blu-Ray player then, these things bother me to no end.

Sadly not.

Here is a video taken from the episode with the audio
mostly
filtered out so you can hear it better.

That's lovely. It has even gotten a cue from All The Strange, Strange Creatures. Why would they decide to leave that out? :/
 
I guess I should consider investing in a region free Blu-Ray player then, these things bother me to no end.



That's lovely. It has even gotten a cue from All The Strange, Strange Creatures. Why would they decide to leave that out? :/

I cant imagine a region free Blu Ray player will be any better if its the same for the UK as it is for the American version?

The copy I have is the UK version as I'm in the UK.
 

Joqu

Member
I cant imagine a region free Blu Ray player will be any better if its the same for the UK as it is for the American version?

The copy I have is the UK version as I'm in the UK.

Oooh I completely misunderstood there. The US versions are always slowed down? I didn't know that's how they did it. Never mind then.
I still really need one tho
 
Oooh I completely misunderstood there. The US versions are always slowed down? I didn't know that's how they did it. Never mind then.
I still really need one tho

Yea, the UK Blu Ray has the US broadcasting. So its slowed down to 24p.

Sucks, but meh :/
 
Well because "I am the Doctor" is just an amazing piece of music. I really hope Gold comes up with something equally epic for Capaldi's Doctor!

Well, yeah, but to be honest I think London Bridge and especially All The Strange, Strange Creatures are just as lovely, but they still wrote around them and provided different action themes that seemed to fit with each companion, like Corridors & Fire Escapes and so on. I Am The Doctor is amazing, but I just wish it hadn't become shorthand for SOMETHING EXCITING IS HAPPENING, GET HYPE, basically. There's something to be said for variety in texture. I would've been happier if after Series 5 I Am The Doctor was reserved for the really big moments, with smaller versions of it used like the old Series 1-4 Doctor theme when necessary, with a new action theme punctuating other moments. But alas. It became one of those things, I think, where Moffat loved it, Gold loved it, etcetera.
 
Pretty much. It's just exhausting now.

They seem to have toned it down a bit in the last few episodes, at least. I might be remembering wrong, but I think it was pretty tactfully used in the 50th. I don't recall them shoving it down my throat, at least...

...not that I would have complained much, I personally still love hearing it regardless.
 
Yep, I loved All The Strange, Strange Creatures and I think I am the Doctor has been overused now.

I was sad when it was the piece used for the grand 50th finale with
all the doctors
instead of a new, epic piece. Hope they change it for Capaldi at least.

Another song I find really amazing is A Mad Man with a box.

So, people that have the 50th blu ray, how are the extras, I hope it comes at least with the Strax and 3D scenes from the cinema.
 

Lynd7

Member
Whenever the beeb get round to releasing the rest on blu-ray, it will look a bit better, just because of the reduction of compression in blu ray(unless they just use the extra space to pack on more episodes....which isn't entirely unlikely come to think of it



Tizzy, whatever the most recent issuing of a dvd for a serial that exists is the best, if you see here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Doctor_Who_DVD_and_Blu-ray_releases

You will see quite a few "Special Edition's", and "available on revisitation set x". Special Editions & revisitations are when the restoration team took a second go at restoring a serial with the latest technology, so you will want those when available.

I actually don't think that will ever happen. Your not allowed to publish SD content on Blu really, and the quality increase will hardly be worth it. The only advantage would be to have a ton of episodes and stories on each disk.

Also, the BBC really need to just start filming in 24p. I am surprised that Day of the Doctor wasn't as 3D doesn't support 25fps I thought.
 
Yep, I loved All The Strange, Strange Creatures and I think I am the Doctor has been overused now.

I was sad when it was the piece used for the grand 50th finale with
all the doctors
instead of a new, epic piece. Hope they change it for Capaldi at least.

Another song I find really amazing is A Mad Man with a box.

So, people that have the 50th blu ray, how are the extras, I hope it comes at least with the Strax and 3D scenes from the cinema.

I got fucking chills when it kicked in with Capaldi and his eyes.

And I can confirm, unless their locked away as a hidden easter egg, it does not.

it comes with:

Doctor Who: Explained
Behind the Scenes
Mini-Episodes
Trailers
 

bengraven

Member
I got fucking chills when it kicked in with Capaldi and his eyes.

And I can confirm, unless their locked away as a hidden easter egg, it does not.

it comes with:

Doctor Who: Explained
Behind the Scenes
Mini-Episodes
Trailers

Yep, had to rewind it like four times. I heard there was a reference to him, but I had no clue he was going to show up, or that he was going to help save the day.
 
Looking back, was "I Am the Doctor" actually used in the second part of Series 7? I can't remember...

It is, just a lot less. One of the advantages of the massive gap between broadcasts of 7a and 7b was that Gold managed to squeeze some more money and do some more orchestra sessions. Bells, Akhaten and Name are all actually 'scored' properly, which they never usually do on Doctor Who. Usually Gold is given scripts - and he composes based on the mood and plot-points. He provides them with about an hour to an hour and a half of music per series, and they then have to cut the music around the show, or in some cases will cut a scene to better fit the music and things.

The only episodes usually scored are Christmas specials, but 7b got special treatment due to the gap.
 

8bit

Knows the Score
Because if it's on at 1930 then everyone in the UK will have already had their traditional fight before it's shown.
 
Awesome news. Mostly because at that point most of my relatives will either be drunk, sleepy or chugging Quality Street. Last year I had to answer 'Who's this idiot and what happened to that David guy?'
 
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