That in itself was the important bit. It boiled down to "You know, with this, we've got enough information to know which of us is Zygon and which of us is human. But you know what? It's better for each of us if we don't let on. I'm not going to blab. Are you? Nope? Good."
They didn't lose all of their memories, they just didn't know who was who. I imagine they both have a shared knowledge due to the confusion. But they both remembered when the Zygon took the inhaler. That is why they knew. But at the same time you would think that they all had their own personal items and such in their pockets.
Mmm, seems silly. I was under the impression that no one would be able to know what they were, no matter what. But given the circumstances, I'm probably wrong. Or the show is wrong
slightly ot, but An Adventure in Space and Time was really lovely. Kinda standard fare as far as this type of 'docudrama' storytelling goes, but Bradley's performance as Hartnell was just fantastic.
The actual software it runs is the same, though, that's the point, I guess. They do use the word software. The Tenth Doctor breaks/destroys his Sonic a couple of times, too, after all. The Eleventh loses at least one (to the shark in A Christmas Carol), too.
Really enjoyed the episode myself. Sure, it wasn't perfect, but I thought it worked as a celebration of the show.
Acting was brilliant from all concerned. Tennant and Smith bounced off each other as well as I expected, in both their comedic and more darker moments. Hurt was as masterful as you'd expect.
I also gotta give mad props to Billie, she really hit her character out of the park, especially as the presence of Rose was one of my concerns going in. No romantic angst with her and Ten, thank the lord.
I had to watch in substandard conditions last night, but I loved it! Although from what I can remember, the pacing was a bit disjointed, so let's see how this holds up
I also like Moffat what did with Rose here. I know there's a temptation to touch on Ten/Rose again, but aside from the fact that that relationship is long past groan-worthy, it would also: a) overwhelm the rest of the story; and b) undermine their last scene together in End of Time, which was good enough on its own and doubly so for salvaging the shit in Journey's End.
But with The Ghost of Doctor's Future, we get to see Piper again, without any of the above complications and one of her best performances of the show.
I also like Moffat what did with Rose here. I know there's a temptation to touch on Ten/Rose again, but aside from the fact that that relationship is long past groan-worthy, it would also: a) overwhelm the rest of the story; and b) undermine their last scene together in End of Time, which was good enough on its own and doubly so for salvaging the shit in Journey's End.
But with The Ghost of Doctor's Future, we get to see Piper again, without any of the above complications and one of her best performances of the show.
I give him a lot of credit from resisting the urge to let 10 and 11 see her at the end. I was pleasantly surprised that it wasn't the original Rose. And yes, Piper knocked it out of the park.
I also like Moffat what did with Rose here. I know there's a temptation to touch on Ten/Rose again, but aside from the fact that that relationship is long past groan-worthy, it would also: a) overwhelm the rest of the story; and b) undermine their last scene together in End of Time, which was good enough on its own and doubly so for salvaging the shit in Journey's End.
But with The Ghost of Doctor's Future, we get to see Piper again, without any of the above complications and one of her best performances of the show.
Indeed, Piper was used in a way I didn't expect, and it allowed her to show more range than the simple everygirl, with frankly some of her best ever work on Who.
Moffat says as much here that he didn't feel right doing anything with 10 and Rose, the correct decision definitely:
I thought the story of Rose, which was beautiful, was done, he said. I didnt want to add to it, and I didnt feel comfortable adding to it, really. That was always [former Doctor Who showrunner] Russell [T Davies]s story. But we did want Billie. And I liked the idea of bringing back the Bad Wolf version. The way Russell ended it in The End of Time, by just sort of looping it around, was perfect. I didnt want to stick another bit of it in. That would be wrong. I just wanted to get Billie Piper, one of the absolute heroes of Doctor Who, back in the show, but without interfering with the story of Rose Tyler. I just thought I might spoil something. I might trip over my bootlaces doing that.
Indeed, Piper was used in a way I didn't expect, and it allowed her to show more range than the simple everygirl, with frankly some of her best ever work on Who.
Yup. She was the biggest surprise for me. Not only the serious stuff, but also the comedy (The whole 'No more' scene was a great way of not making Hurt come across as pompous and melodramatic), and the direction on her. The way she'd just appear in the background of shots and zip around the room.
I also like to think that Hurt Doctor wanted to specifically find and thank this Rose Tyler girl, and that's what leads 9 into the start of 'Rose'.
I know, right? I found Billie more attractive in this episode than I ever have before, and she's always been pretty adorable. Something about the hair/outfit/makeup as Moment/Bad Wolf/Rose really had an effect on me.
Wow, and that's just the UK figures? I'd be really interested to see what the rest-of-the-world totals are. Even in the fairly small Australian regional center where I live we had a sold-out first screening.
It's purposefully ambiguous but the implication is that in the very distant future (as in, more distant than the show will ever go) the Doctor retires from saving the world, chooses to 'revisit an old favourite' by regenerating into an older version of the 4th Doctor somehow, and becomes curator of the gallery.
He certainly knows things the 4th Doctor shouldn't anyway.
I agree with everything that's been said about Billie Piper. She was a pop star and not really an actress before she started on Who, correct? That makes it all the more impressive that she was able to put in such a good performance and stand her own acting alongside John Hurt.
I don't doubt that he would probably remember the Moment taking her form and mentioning that she was from his past or future, she also mentioned her name. That would definitely spur him on to seek her out. I don't think he has anything to thank her for or blame her for though because Rose =/= the Moment, it was just projecting her form.
Maybe thank her was the wrong word. He could feel...attracted to her? In the non-10th Doctor sense. When he realises why the Moment showed him his future he's clearly appreciative. Could be that after the mindwipe his only memories are that he did something to end the Time War, and this strange Rose Tyler girl made him happy. If that makes sense. I like rationilisng things
John Simm or GTFO. I don't care if he is part of the pre-Smith era. At least they acknowledged Jack Harkness. Bring back Simm. I loved his Master. As cheesy as it is.
I want season 8 to have John Simm as The Master and Jack Harkness in it. Probably too much to ask.
Oh yeah, definitely. He snogged her, married her, left her, came back at the same point where she would banish him from her kingdom, and have created Torchwood because of him.
So that Elizabeth is indeed the same one as the old woman who banished them from the kingdom and created the Torchwood Institute? Oh, Doctor. You really should have visited more often.
The Cult of Skaro were put into the void ship long before the final days of the war as a contingency measure, so it wasn't them. The Emperor is too massive, that'd be a whole saucer. You could argue the one that goes zipping away half-exploded is the one from Dalek, though!
That's how I would see it. One has to escape to Earth to get captured in order to bring them back.
Anyway, having finally gotten to see it. I'm happy. Very happy.
Shame about Eccleston. He really could have made it that much better with a simple cameo rather than reused footage and a voiceover. At least the end of Hurt's regeneration. Maybe a quick "Fantastic" one-liner for 5 seconds.
At least now we've seen every regeneration now that we've seen 8->War Doctor and War Doctor->9. We just need to see 11->12 next month.
Speaking of which, I don't understand why Capaldi was there. I mean, if we're gonna have one future incarnation, we might as well have all of them. It's like he was there just to drum up hype.
I can't wait to see Capaldi's interpretation of The Doctor. Shame it's months away. But at least we'll see the regeneration next month.
So if they're now referring to Hurt as
The Doctor again, shouldn't he now be 9 and the numbers should change? Unless they really are going to forget every single thing and go on thinking Hurt did destroy Gallifrey. But Smith knows he didn't because he now knows he needs to look for it. So there's no reason not to refer to Hurt as #9. By all logic of course. Because he's not a War Doctor anymore and didn't destroy anything.
Was Timothy Dalton not available, or was that a different group of people? They certainly weren't dressed the same.
I agree with everything that's been said about Billie Piper. She was a pop star and not really an actress before she started on Who, correct? That makes it all the more impressive that she was able to put in such a good performance and stand her own acting alongside John Hurt.
While she never shook off the association with her pop star history, she didn't leap straight from pop to Who, and got quite a bit of acclaim for the acting she did.
So I guess Catherine Tate never was actually in the special. I wonder what all that was about then with the article that circulated around the net.
Also, although I'm glad Jack got a shout out, I'm a bit sad we probably will never get to see him and Smith's Doctor. I'm also similarly a bit disappointed we probably won't see how Smith's Doctor would react to seeing Rose again. I mean, in theory he probably still harbors feelings for her or perhaps he's fully moved on but I wish we could see an actual scene acting all that out.
The Doctor again, shouldn't he now be 9 and the numbers should change? Unless they really are going to forget every single thing and go on thinking Hurt did destroy Gallifrey. But Smith knows he didn't because he now knows he needs to look for it. So there's no reason not to refer to Hurt as #9. By all logic of course. Because he's not a War Doctor anymore and didn't destroy anything.
He's officially a 'real' Doctor, and is really 9th in the sequence, but for ease of consistent numbering the official numbers aren't changing and his designation will remain as "The War Doctor"
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Was Timothy Dalton not available, or was that a different group of people? They certainly weren't dressed the same.
Different group, There's a brief comment about how the High Council were off attempting their own thing (their side of the events in End of Time); this group are the military leaders, I believe
So I guess Catherine Tate never was actually in the special. I wonder what all that was about then with the article that circulated around the net.
Also, although I'm glad Jack got a shout out, I'm a bit sad we probably will never get to see him and Smith's Doctor. I'm also similarly a bit disappointed we probably won't see how Smith's Doctor would react to seeing Rose again. I mean, in theory he probably still harbors feelings for her or perhaps he's fully moved on but I wish we could see an actual scene acting all that out.
Well, he does see her again, and his reaction is to shout "Guilt! Thanks, give me guilt."
The Tate thing was from an interview Tennant & Tate did together, so obviously it was a Tennant quote mistakenly attributed to her. I'd love to see her or Martha return again one day, and they're both out there in the world so perhaps could eventually. As RTD said in The End of Time commentary -- "Every time there's an alien threat on Earth in the Moffat & Smith era, just imagine Catherine Tate fainting and hitting the floor in a metacrisis auto protection!" I still do.
Different group, There's a brief comment about how the High Council were off attempting their own thing (their side of the events in End of Time); this group are the military leaders, I believe
Wow, and that's just the UK figures? I'd be really interested to see what the rest-of-the-world totals are. Even in the fairly small Australian regional center where I live we had a sold-out first screening.
The theater I went to watch it in Valencia, Spain (3rd biggest spanish city, so not really that big), did two screenings that night in their biggest screens (600 people aprx for each), the dub one was completly sold out while the original voices one was nearly sold out. Thats 1200 aprox fans watching it that night, and lets say that spain doesnt really have that cult following of Doctor Who like other countries. Even more, the theater is 20 min outside the city and you could only reach it by car, and both screenings started at 1am, so no kids where seen.
There was another screening today at more sensible hours, and I also heard it was sold out and most of the audience where kids and families.
Then you have to add bigger cities that will probably have more fans, like Madrid and Barcelona, and also smaller ones like Seville, Bilbao...