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Doctor Who 50th Anniversary |OT| Splendid Chap, All Of Them

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I doubt they'll simulcast as they'll probably want the first showing to be strong ratings-wise to make it a tentpole for the channel in terms of revenue and all that. They did the 50th gratis as an exercise in promotion, but the show is one of their biggest rating draws and thus one of the biggest advertising revenue sources and all that. Worldwide gotta make their money! Same-day knocks out the majority of the damage downloads & torrents can do, so they may as well maximise their cash.
 
They do show it same day. Don't think many people would be at work or school on a Saturday.

It's not a shifted airing on BBCA like other shows? Luther and Sherlock series aired later.

On saturday? I mean, work yes, but do many schools happen on saturday?

Didn't realize it was a Saturday airing normally. I watched all of New Who through Netflix over the last month or so finishing the week before the special aired.
 
Holy crap, her work is amazing. I wish she could do all the Doctors just to have a beautiful collection side by side.

Here's one she did for the TARDIS

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Good lord that is amazing, I want it so bad.
 

The Real Abed

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He hates the show.
I think mostly he really hated the atmosphere at the time and the people running the show. So he refuses to come back for anything. Shame really. If it weren't for that, he might have done another season or two and who knows how the run would be now.
 
I wonder if the success of cinema screenings has piqued the BBC's interest in creating a Doctor Who film. As long as the BBC retains control, whist allowing hollywood to finance it, I'd be happy to see a big-budget Doctor Who film.
 

PaulloDEC

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Good lord that is amazing, I want it so bad.

Available as a shirt, too. I'm pretty tempted.

Just popping in to say I did it. Finished series 7 today with 24 hours to go until i see day of the doctor. Been one hell of a ride. :)

Great effort! Have fun with Day of the Doctor, you're in for a treat.

I wonder if the success of cinema screenings has piqued the BBC's interest in creating a Doctor Who film. As long as the BBC retains control, whist allowing hollywood to finance it, I'd be happy to see a big-budget Doctor Who film.

Yup, so long as the creative side is 100% in the hands of the current production team (or trusted others, I guess) I'm 100% on-board, especially after seeing how awesome Day of the Doctor was on the big screen.
 

Mariolee

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Does anyone have the clip of the Doctors teaming up with all of the incarnations on Youtube?

I wonder if the success of cinema screenings has piqued the BBC's interest in creating a Doctor Who film. As long as the BBC retains control, whist allowing hollywood to finance it, I'd be happy to see a big-budget Doctor Who film.

IIRC there was a Gallifrey Base user who apparently leaked correct things about either the 50th or the Christmas special and stated that part of the reason BBC did the cinema screenings was to test audience reception to seeing Doctor Who in theaters.

I think the reaction was positive.
 

Harlock

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How the special fits in the last episode? The Doctor was inside your timeline, meeting the John Hurt, but this dont seems to fit with the 50th special.
 

Fiktion

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How the special fits in the last episode? The Doctor was inside your timeline, meeting the John Hurt, but this dont seems to fit with the 50th special.

I'm guessing the end of that was meant to imply that The Doctor successfully rescued her and got out. Somehow. It's definitely messy and probably had to be rushed to fit after Eccelston turned them down at the last minute.
 

Mariolee

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How the special fits in the last episode? The Doctor was inside your timeline, meeting the John Hurt, but this dont seems to fit with the 50th special.

The John Hurt in the timestream was wasn't the actual War Doctor, merely a representation of that time period.
 

mclem

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How the special fits in the last episode? The Doctor was inside your timeline, meeting the John Hurt, but this dont seems to fit with the 50th special.

It was never implied that it'd be hard for him to get out. He goes in, he fetches Clara, he mentions that there's one shade that's a part of his past he wants to forget, they leave... then, in the intervening period of time after that, Clara goes off and gets a job at Coal Hill school. I do wonder if the Doctor has a hand in that...
 

Jedi2016

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I mean, if you want, you can read Hurt's regeneration as the VERY FIRST bit of the Doctor essentially thumbing his nose at Hurt's incarnation. Yeah, it's a throaway joke - "I hope the ears are a little less prominent" - but every doctor after Hurt is, in multiple ways, trying to basically stick it to Hurt. "Don't want big ears? Guess what. I'll grow big ears. I'll be goofier than normal. I'll be young, and I'll be outlandish and really dramatic, and I'll just keep getting younger and more dramatic the further on I go because you, and what you did, is repellent."

Or yeah, it's just a throwaway joke.
In reality, I think it was a throwaway joke, as Eccelston in his first appearance looks at his ears and says "Eh, that's not so bad." (apparently having only recently regenerated). And his ears are kinda big.. hehe.

But, the other explanation does open up why he regenerates into the much older looking Capaldi, having come to terms with Gallifrey, and that he was actually able to save it, and can finally allow himself to be the "grown up" again.
 

Harlock

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Ok. I was left with impression that the Doctor and Clara cant get out of timeline stream and meeting John Hurt is something necessary or part of how they would find a way out.
 
It was never implied that it'd be hard for him to get out. He goes in, he fetches Clara, he mentions that there's one shade that's a part of his past he wants to forget, they leave... then, in the intervening period of time after that, Clara goes off and gets a job at Coal Hill school. I do wonder if the Doctor has a hand in that...

Look at the sign and see who the Headmaster is. I'd say someone certainly had a hand in it...
 

Trike

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Again - that's the trick of the Christmas Special, isn't it. Your question is basically the fuel for the story's engine. He knows he dies at Trenzalore. But now he knows there are at least 2 more regenerations after his death. So how does THAT work?

We're probably getting an hourlong answer to that in a month.

Well, (small Christmas Special spoilers/rumors from GB)

The Doctor fully expects to die on Trenzalore, permanently.

Which doesn't seem to make sense, given what we were shown in the 50th. I have no doubt that the extra regenerations will be a mystery, but the fact that he knows he has a future makes it weird.
 

Jedi2016

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Well, (small Christmas Special spoilers/rumors from GB)

The Doctor fully expects to die on Trenzalore, permanently.

Which doesn't seem to make sense, given what we were shown in the 50th. I have no doubt that the extra regenerations will be a mystery, but the fact that he knows he has a future makes it weird.
The problem is that we don't know when Trenzilore happens. It could be hundreds, thousands of years into the Doctor's future. There could be dozens more regenerations in that time period. Sadly, the fact that they keep bringing it up means it's probably something they're going to resolve quickly. But that will be quite a trick, won't it? Trenzilore is real, that was the TARDIS, and that was the Doctor's "body".
 

Fiktion

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It was never implied that it'd be hard for him to get out.

That's just not true though. Before going in he warns Jenny and Vastra that he might not come back and that they should take the TARDIS home if he doesn't. And River warns him that it's super dangerous to go into his own timestream. We never see how this danger is overcome.
 

Belfast

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I say boo on Eccleston. His Doctor was alright, but if he'd stayed on, then we might not have ever had Tennant, Smith, or Hurt (whether he had simply continued to play the character up until now or having stayed longer in the role meant completely different actors had been chosen to replace him). The Doctors we have are absolutely brilliant and show at least some appreciation for the role.
 

Mariolee

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Well, (small Christmas Special spoilers/rumors from GB)

The Doctor fully expects to die on Trenzalore, permanently.

Which doesn't seem to make sense, given what we were shown in the 50th. I have no doubt that the extra regenerations will be a mystery, but the fact that he knows he has a future makes it weird.

Well remember that he didn't meet Tom Baker until AFTER he talks to Tennant about possibly permanently dying. And perhaps he didn't catch his future Capaldi regeneration helping out in sealing away Gallifrey.

I'm thinking this foreknowledge that he does indeed survive will help encourage him to keep on fighting through the battle of Trenzalore in the Christmas special. I'm sure if the GB rumor is to be trusted verbatim.
 

mclem

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That's just not true though. Before going in he warns Jenny and Vastra that he might not come back and that they should take the TARDIS home if he doesn't. And River warns him that it's super dangerous to go into his own timestream. We never see how this danger is overcome.

I always took it as he might not be able to find Clara, and (like 8 with Cass) wouldn't leave without her. But it's been a while, and I might be recalling incorrectly. Either way, this is set after that.

Or at least appears to be. There's always the possibility of more timey wimey stuff.


As a half-related aside: I do wonder if Who could do an adequate Trials and Tribble-ations type episode. You could argue that the intro to TNOTD was that, but I'm half-surprised Moffat hasn't gone all-out with that.
 
Well, (small Christmas Special spoilers/rumors from GB)

The Doctor fully expects to die on Trenzalore, permanently.

Which doesn't seem to make sense, given what we were shown in the 50th. I have no doubt that the extra regenerations will be a mystery, but the fact that he knows he has a future makes it weird.

10 forgot about 11 because timey-wimey. Hurt also forgot about 10 and 11.

So 11 most likely forgot 12 and Future 4.
 
It was an alright episode, but there were a couple things I didn't particularly like:

Rose as the Moment's interface. I get it, she's still a big fan favorite (I dislike). Would have been better off copying ALL the NuWho companions (except Martha).

Zygons just felt like filler material. This episode should have just focused on the fall of Gallifrey instead. Instead of Zygons you could easily have had Daleks being tricky with human replicas.

The ending. It was a nice touch, but I think they should have ended this special with the death of the doctor instead. Just throw in a twist about the doctor dying at the hands of Trenzalore - an agent of Omega, who survived the time war as a result of the events of this episode. Then next season could have had 13th find his killer in addition to finding Gallifrey.
 

Trike

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The problem is that we don't know when Trenzilore happens. It could be hundreds, thousands of years into the Doctor's future. There could be dozens more regenerations in that time period. Sadly, the fact that they keep bringing it up means it's probably something they're going to resolve quickly. But that will be quite a trick, won't it? Trenzilore is real, that was the TARDIS, and that was the Doctor's "body".

That is the thing people have been saying about Trenzalore in this thread, despite the fact that Trenzalore is mentioned to be for the 11th Doctor specifically in the series.

Well remember that he didn't meet Tom Baker until AFTER he talks to Tennant about possibly permanently dying. And perhaps he didn't catch his future Capaldi regeneration helping out in sealing away Gallifrey.

I'm thinking this foreknowledge that he does indeed survive will help encourage him to keep on fighting through the battle of Trenzalore in the Christmas special. I'm sure if the GB rumor is to be trusted verbatim.

But the GB rumors have him
Not knowing he was going to regenerate, and believing he is finally dying.
Unless things have changed in the last few days, I haven't been checking.

10 forgot about 11 because timey-wimey. Hurt also forgot about 10 and 11.

So 11 most likely forgot 12 and Future 4.

See, that is what I was thinking. But then why would the 12th Doctor go back and help the other 12 Doctors? As far as he is aware, he saved Gallifrey without the 12th.
 

M.Bluth

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I don't think I have anything to add to the impressions of the folks in here. All I can say is, despite some minor issues with the special, I mostly loved it and thought it was the best special we've had since new Who.

I must say, though, I love what Moffat did with The Curator. Yeah, it might've been just an excuse to get Tom Baker, but it opens a lot of doors. They can bring back Doctors even if they look much older. We can have a 56 year old Matt Smith in the 75th anniversary, if we wanted!
 

ramyeon

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See, that is what I was thinking. But then why would the 12th Doctor go back and help the other 12 Doctors? As far as he is aware, he saved Gallifrey without the 12th.
The same reason 1-9 came to help. What that reason is beyond it being a cool scene for the 50th anniversary beats me.
 
Sorry if this has been asked, but how was it possible for all the doctors to come shift Gallifrey?

Assume in the gap between them formulating the plan and arriving at Gallifrey they set off a chain of searching for past incarnations to help them out. Because of the paradox they, too, would forget when it was over.

It was an alright episode, but there were a couple things I didn't particularly like:

Rose as the Moment's interface. I get it, she's still a big fan favorite (I dislike). Would have been better off copying ALL the NuWho companions (except Martha).

Zygons just felt like filler material. This episode should have just focused on the fall of Gallifrey instead. Instead of Zygons you could easily have had Daleks being tricky with human replicas.

The ending. It was a nice touch, but I think they should have ended this special with the death of the doctor instead. Just throw in a twist about the doctor dying at the hands of Trenzalore - an agent of Omega, who survived the time war as a result of the events of this episode. Then next season could have had 13th find his killer in addition to finding Gallifrey.

I agree about the Zygons, and it's a shame - though at least they've built some now. I look forward to their inevitable return in an episode of their own.

Regarding Rose, I get that some people don't like her, but she is the iconic one, really. Liz isn't with us any more, sadly. That torch has passed to Rose, I think. She is the iconic one. So I see why they did it, and Billie looked radiant in it (what a smile!) and put in an absolutely magnificent performance.

The British press are already complaining in reviews that the Rose character was too complicated in this episode - as in what she is. Can you imagine how those casuals would struggle if it was flickering between Rose, and Donna, and Amy? And it's sort of like the end of The End of Time, then - they always said that if one person had said no - if, say, Noel (Mickey) had been unable to do it, they'd have shelved that entire companion revisit thing. They'd have to include Martha as well, in a sense.

Regarding the last bit, eh... I'm not sure a left-field twist out of nowhere with a death or whatever would be right. I'm incredibly happy that this 50th anniversary episode stands alone and on its own as a single piece of work, as that's something Moffat's Who has strayed from a bit with pregnancies and missing babies and impossible girls and such. In this instance, it was better it was contained. We go into Christmas fresh, and I'm sure we'll get that darkness.. but ending this, a celebration, with a death or an attempt on his life would be a right bummer. It really needed to end as it did, with a sense of triumph.
 

Jedi2016

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But the GB rumors have him
Not knowing he was going to regenerate, and believing he is finally dying.
That's all well and good, but:
The stuff on Trenzalore is real... The TARDIS is real (and it's proven to be "his" TARDIS), there's even a "body". How can 12 exist if 1-11 are stuck in that timestream on Trenzalore? If he regenerates instead of dying, then everything that happened on Trenzalore in "The Name of the Doctor" ceases to be, because he'll take the TARDIS and his body with him when he leaves that place. No, there's going to be something else going on, not just a misunderstanding on his part. Probably something that we can't even fathom, that will allow him to both "die" there, leaving behind both his body and the TARDIS, and still allow the Twelfth to walk away.
 
Did anyone else have their cable glitch out during the special? Mine started giving an error message but didn't actually shut off the program. Scared me for a second.
 

Ithil

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Her acting was miles better than it was before...or I might be crazy.

She was playing a more out there kind of character, she could have a bit more fun with it. As Rose, she was always best when portraying her as playful.
Her acting took a hit when she came back for Series 4, no idea why. But not the case here.
 

Goldrush

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Did the Doctor change history or was the ending what actually always happened? Wasn't clear if they actually broke the time lock or is it another impossible astronaut situation.
 

Mariolee

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Did the Doctor change history or was the ending what actually always happened? Wasn't clear if they actually broke the time lock or is it another impossible astronaut situation.

It's not explicitly stated. I think however that John Hurt being regretful in the Doctor's timestream in Name of the Doctor points to they changed history.
 

CorvoSol

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Rose as the Moment's interface. I get it, she's still a big fan favorite (I dislike). Would have been better off copying ALL the NuWho companions (except Martha).

How you gonna take a stab at Martha? I mean c'mon, man.

I really liked Billie Piper in this episode. I liked her way more as the Moment than I did when she was Rose.

I'm not super big on Rose, but having recently rewatched the whole show, I think a lot of Rose's time is just the show struggling to find its footing. She's not bad with Tennant, but the whole Eccleston era is a bit wonky, with farting aliens and stuff.
 
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