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[DKehoe]

I really don't understand this. Why does the BBC, the majority of the British entertainment industry and mainstream media feel this way?

They don’t.

 

[jshackles]

Tom Baker is my favorite Doctor, and his run was even before I was born! For me, his stint as the Doctor had the best stories such as The Ark in Space, The Face of Evil, The Talons of Weng Chiang, The Pirate Planet, City of Death and more. All of these are classic that have stood the test of time despite the cheap effects because the writing was so strong. Show these episodes even to New Series and I think even they will appreciate them.

Not to say the new series is not without it's great episodes, but they tend to lean more on the visual effects nowadays more than before.

My wife and I both grew up watching Tom Baker episodes on PBS. Every few years we go back and watch them all, along with a few of our favorite episodes from other eras. The last time we watched through, our kids (now 19 and 22) really dug them and would sit around and watch them with us most of the time - something that hardly ever happens these days because they have their own shit going on.

These episodes absolutely hold up, despite their obvious shortcomings. The writing is so good on most of them that in a way it's like reading a book - your mind and imagination will fill in the gaps where needed. I doubt people will feel the same way about the current episodes 45 years from now.

 

[GreyHorace]

My wife and I both grew up watching Tom Baker episodes on PBS. Every few years we go back and watch them all, along with a few of our favorite episodes from other eras. The last time we watched through, our kids (now 19 and 22) really dug them and would sit around and watch them with us most of the time - something that hardly ever happens these days because they have their own shit going on.

These episodes absolutely hold up, despite their obvious shortcomings. The writing is so good on most of them that in a way it's like reading a book - your mind and imagination will fill in the gaps where needed. I doubt people will feel the same way about the current episodes 45 years from now.

It's not just the writing I think. I think the characters have to be likable so they can carry the story even through it's dull moments. You want characters that are memorable and leave an impression with the general audience. And who can forget Tom Baker as the Fourth Doctor? His companions during his run were also pretty good (Sarah Jane Smith, Leela, Romana) as were some of one off supporting characters (the Captain from The Pirate Planet, Duggan from City of Death).

The new series has it's share of Doctors and companions who are likable, but I found none during the current season. Whitaker's 13th Doctor hasn't really wowed me, and her companons are all dull with the exception of Bradley Walsh as Graham. I mean, the stories are bad enough, but coupled with characters you don't give a shit about? Disaster.

I'm currently watching Star Trek Picard and it's the same exact thing. The story is already horseshit after 6 episodes, but they went the extra mile and made Patrick Stewart, one of the coolest actors around, an utter bore as Picard. His crew are much the same, they're all pretty dull as characters and I can't muster up a reason to care about them.

Compare that The Mandalorian. Everyone loves Baby Yoda of course, but Mando himself is a pretty good protagonist, despite the fact that we never see his face which makes it remarkable. Gina Carano's Cara Dune and Carl Weathers as Greef Karga are also pretty memorable, and don't tell me people didn't tear up when Nick Nolte's Kuiil was killed in the penultimate episode? For a supporting character, his death shook a lot of people, which goes to show you how much people liked him and were invested.

 

[TriSuit666]

You either know Sheffield or you don't.

Was there last weekend for various things.

 

[Stilton Disco]

They don’t.

I tuned into Autumn Watch (a seasonal nature show) last year, the first time I'd watched the BBC live for yesrs, and within about 2 minutes it really bizarely and awkwardly had the presenters start equating animal migration to human immigration, condescendingly stating it was totally natural and had nothing but benefits.

There's plenty of 'patriotic' content on TV still, but the BBC is undeniably infested with identitarian bigots and hate mongers.

They've made zero attempt to hide their political bias of late, have even started putting out hit pieces on fandoms and audiences that like the wrong shows or think the wrong way, and they're hardly the only media company out there to be wearing their contempt for the country on their sleeves.

 

[DKehoe]

I tuned into Autumn Watch (a seasonal nature show) last year, the first time I'd watched the BBC live for yesrs, and within about 2 minutes it really bizarely and awkwardly had the presenters start equating animal migration to human immigration, condescendingly stating it was totally natural and had nothing but benefits.

There's plenty of 'patriotic' content on TV still, but the BBC is undeniably infested with identitarian bigots and hate mongers.

They've made zero attempt to hide their political bias of late, have even started putting out hit pieces on fandoms and audiences that like the wrong shows or think the wrong way, and they're hardly the only media company out there to be wearing their contempt for the country on their sleeves.

You can disagree with their approach without thinking it means they hate British people, history and culture.

 

[Stilton Disco]

You can disagree with their approach without thinking it means they hate British people, history and culture.

I genuinely think they do.

There's a very clear contempt for Brexit voters, poor natives, northerners, pretty much anyone that has misgivings about immigration and Tory voters, they turn a blind eye to rape gangs, the failures of Sadiq Khan and paedophiles, are obsessed with skin colour, gender and sexuality over competency and catering to what the british people want, take a revisionist approach to historical settings, and if they make shows about British history, it tends to either be about minorities and 'oppressed' groups, or makes sure to focus on every single negative they can.

I used to love the BBC. I was proud of it, and was glad to be able to have something so unbiased and universal in its content, that dedicated itself to creating truly british shows without the need to consider ad revenue or selling shows abroad.

Within the last 10 years though, all those great works of fiction, those documentaries, those thoughtful, fair and balanced political analyses, they've just rapidly died away to nothing but partisan propaganda and desperate chasing of either a worldwide or, more often than not, a purely twitter based audience.

It's not everyone at the Beeb, I know that, but the old guard are rapidly being culled and quality is dropping, and even if you argue they're not doing it out of actual hatred for the British, they sure as hell are no longer making a serious effort to cater to their tastes, or reflect the majorities opinions.

 

[Stilton Disco]

As a seperate but related point of how much the BBC has changed, rewatching the RTD era recently, I noticed this gem of an exchange in Voyage of the Damned:

Mr. Copper: So Great Britain is a part of Europe. And just across the British channel you’ve got Great France and Great Germany.

The Doctor: No, it’s just France and Germany. Only Britain is Great.

Can anyone seriously argue that this little dig at our neighbours and obvious expression of national pride would ever make it to air on any modern BBC production, let alone Chibnall's Who?

 

[DKehoe]

I genuinely think they do.

There's a very clear contempt for Brexit voters, poor natives, northerners, pretty much anyone that has misgivings about immigration and Tory voters, they turn a blind eye to rape gangs, the failures of Sadiq Khan and paedophiles, are obsessed with skin colour, gender and sexuality over competency and catering to what the british people want, take a revisionist approach to historical settings, and if they make shows about British history, it tends to either be about minorities and 'oppressed' groups, or makes sure to focus on every single negative they can.

I used to love the BBC. I was proud of it, and was glad to be able to have something so unbiased and universal in its content, that dedicated itself to creating truly british shows without the need to consider ad revenue or selling shows abroad.

Within the last 10 years though, all those great works of fiction, those documentaries, those thoughtful, fair and balanced political analyses, they've just rapidly died away to nothing but partisan propaganda and desperate chasing of either a worldwide or, more often than not, a purely twitter based audience.

It's not everyone at the Beeb, I know that, but the old guard are rapidly being culled and quality is dropping, and even if you argue they're not doing it out of actual hatred for the British, they sure as hell are no longer making a serious effort to cater to their tastes, or reflect the majorities opinions.

I just think when you work under the assumption that those you don’t agree with are actively acting maliciously you give up the possibility of understanding their perspective. I guess we just disagree on this but I don’t think they are sitting there rubbing their hands thinking “how can I undermine British culture” I think with some rare exceptions there’s always more nuance to these things.

 

[Domisto]

I meant the actual character of the Doctor, he has always been an "English" body, right? Troughton spoke with an accent didn't he?

Sylvester McCoy, 7th Doctor, is a Scot and used his own accent. He'd be the first.

 

[Domisto]

Holy crap. I just skimmed over what they are doing with the show nowadays. That retcon would make Moffat blush.

I'll show my colours and say that the fan wank that crept in during nuWho and blossomed under Moffat has clearly evolved into epic levels of bat shit masturbation.

And I thought I might have a go at catching up one day. Nevermind.

 

[Karma Jawa]

I used to watch it as a kid and it really felt scary. I’ve rewatched old episodes and they still have that unnerving tone.

I only watched a handful of Tennant episodes and they seemed somewhere between creepy and cartoon-like. Not seen any of them since, but Smith seemed like a dick.

 

[Nymphae]

I am loving the Capaldi shows so far, but as someone else here said, Clara doesn't really do it for me, I didn't like her introduction at the end of Smith's run, and she's more than worn out her welcome, worst of the new companions thus far imo. Which is a shame because Capaldi is so awesome, I love the magician's clothes and his general crotchety attitude. Missy is brilliant as the Master, so much better than I was expecting. I watched the 2 parter with Davros last night and just really loved it, I don't want his run to end, especially since I know what comes next

 

[hariseldon]

I am loving the Capaldi shows so far, but as someone else here said, Clara doesn't really do it for me, I didn't like her introduction at the end of Smith's run, and she's more than worn out her welcome, worst of the new companions thus far imo. Which is a shame because Capaldi is so awesome, I love the magician's clothes and his general crotchety attitude. Missy is brilliant as the Master, so much better than I was expecting. I watched the 2 parter with Davros last night and just really loved it, I don't want his run to end, especially since I know what comes next

While it may have been a bit woke going for a black lesbian for the next companion, I actually found her a big improvement on Clara, and a likeable and engaging character. Agree that Missy was brilliant (wait.. toxic Doctor Who fans hate gender swaps don't they - why did they like Missy?) - absolutely nailed the role and they made the gender swap really work. Honestly the best writing in the series was reserved for her, and her performance was fantastic. Btw if you like Capaldi check out The Thick Of It some time. He's wonderfully sweary - he elevates swearing to an artform.

 

[Stiflers Mom]

I am loving the Capaldi shows so far, but as someone else here said, Clara doesn't really do it for me, I didn't like her introduction at the end of Smith's run, and she's more than worn out her welcome, worst of the new companions thus far imo. Which is a shame because Capaldi is so awesome, I love the magician's clothes and his general crotchety attitude. Missy is brilliant as the Master, so much better than I was expecting. I watched the 2 parter with Davros last night and just really loved it, I don't want his run to end, especially since I know what comes next

My impression as well.. Capaldi was amazing.
Since I don't have any experience with Who, I don't feel so bad about Clara I guess.

 

[Nymphae]

wait.. toxic Doctor Who fans hate gender swaps don't they - why did they like Missy?)

Like I said before if gender swaps are going to work in any show, it's this one. It's kind of silly to be like no it always has to be a new male body! I'm surprised it didn't happen sooner honestly, like a part of me is really surprised that after the two "boyfriend" Nu-Doctors they went straight up cranky old ass white man lol. Love that though.

absolutely nailed the role and they made the gender swap really work. Honestly the best writing in the series was reserved for her, and her performance was fantastic.

Not only does she really look like a female Master to me (it's those eyes man), but yeah she just nails the performace, she goes for comedy more than I expected, but it always works. I like that she is Scottish as well, there's something about a female Scottish voice that I really like (partly why I like Shirley Manson)

Btw if you like Capaldi check out The Thick Of It some time. He's wonderfully sweary - he elevates swearing to an artform.

Will do, appreciate that!

 

[Clear]

Who's been overrated for years now. Its had some high-spots but the fact is its all been built off of the back of the runs of the first 4 doctors, most notably during its creative peak in the 70s's. After Tom Baker quit the show entered a tailspin, gathering speed until it crashed at the end of the execrable McCoy run. That entire period was dreadful, which is why it took so many years to resurrect the show as it took decades to get the stink of it off.

New Who has always had this self-congratulatory air about it, which is annoying to me as its mostly unearned. The cultural impact of Who is not something that's been created by these people, they simply borrowed it from what has gone before.

At first while there was enough novelty and nostalgia to allow me to look past the fact that most of new Who wasn't actually very good, they also did very well with casting 3 actors as the Doctor who were genuinely good in the role (Tennant gurned way too much, but he at least had the acting chops to turn on the intensity if required).

The key I guess is that at no point during the entirety of the run have they seemingly taken onboard any criticism. I can't think of any other genre show that's been treated with such kid gloves critically. Noone wanted to ruin the comeback party by highlighting all the many faults and weaknesses, particularly with the writing.

The end result is where we are now.

 

[GreyHorace]

Who's been overrated for years now. Its had some high-spots but the fact is its all been built off of the back of the runs of the first 4 doctors, most notably during its creative peak in the 70s's. After Tom Baker quit the show entered a tailspin, gathering speed until it crashed at the end of the execrable McCoy run. That entire period was dreadful, which is why it took so many years to resurrect the show as it took decades to get the stink of it off.

New Who has always had this self-congratulatory air about it, which is annoying to me as its mostly unearned. The cultural impact of Who is not something that's been created by these people, they simply borrowed it from what has gone before.

At first while there was enough novelty and nostalgia to allow me to look past the fact that most of new Who wasn't actually very good, they also did very well with casting 3 actors as the Doctor who were genuinely good in the role (Tennant gurned way too much, but he at least had the acting chops to turn on the intensity if required).

The key I guess is that at no point during the entirety of the run have they seemingly taken onboard any criticism. I can't think of any other genre show that's been treated with such kid gloves critically. Noone wanted to ruin the comeback party by highlighting all the many faults and weaknesses, particularly with the writing.

The end result is where we are now.

Unfortunately, I have to agree. I liked the show when it first premiered on 2005. But after comparing it to some of the best of the Classic series, it's not as good as people make it out to be.

Season 1 with Christopher Eccleston remains the best, and sadly has never been topped. Thought season 5 with Matt Smith comes close, despite some hiccups.

I definitely agree with the self congratulatory air. Russell T. Davies sure liked to puff himself up with how brilliant his scripts were, when for the most part they weren't that good with some few exceptions (Midnight). Same goes for Steven Moffat, with his twisty winding plot threads that always lead to crap payoffs, but looked how clever he is! That's not including a lot of the crap stories they both approved for broadcast during their tenures.

They can't hold a candle to the best episodes that Robert Holmes (The Ark in Space, The Talons of Weng Chiang, The Deadly Assassin) and Douglas Adams (The Pirate Planet, City of Death, Shada) wrote for the show during it's Classic years.

And the self congratulatory air extended even to the show itself. Particularly the main character. I disliked the new series' conceit of the Doctor being the Lonely God who protects the universe. And then he started believing his own press, leading to many moments of hubris biting him in the ass. The Doctor has never been a god. He's a kooky alien in a box that travels through time and space getting in trouble and somehow winning the day through some cleverness and sheer luck.

Hopefully the show going forward captures that simple premise once more. If it gets canceled after this disaster, now would be a time for a reboot with a 'back to basics' approach.

 

[jshackles]

We need to get the mods to change this thread into a general Doctor Who OT

And Nymphae to update the OP accordingly

 

[Nymphae]

We need to get the mods to change this thread into a general Doctor Who OT

And Nymphae to update the OP accordingly

I'd be down for that, seems like there are quite a few fans here and we really should have an OT for it. I'll work on something for the OP, maybe make this a more positive thread!

 

[Nymphae]

Doctor Who |OT| It's bigger on the inside than it is on the outside

Doctor Who |OT| Talkin' 'bout my regeneration (I stole this from something I was reading on wikipedia lol)

open to some suggestions lol

 

[TriSuit666]

I really don't understand this. Why does the BBC, the majority of the British entertainment industry and mainstream media feel this way?

Mainly White Guilt, but a lot of it is a London Metropolitan attitude that they are better than the rest of the country and the North just needs to 'fuck off'.

Throw Brexit and the Election in the mix, then well... it's a toxic soup.

 

[Nymphae]

Thanks mods
Now I just need to make a better OP, might take some time but I'll get something done.

 

[GreyHorace]

Thanks mods
Now I just need to make a better OP, might take some time but I'll get something done.

Normally I wouldn't see the point of an OT, since this show is at it's lowest point than it has been in decades. We may be witness to it's secondary death throes and eventual cancellation.

But... it'd be nice to have a place where we can discuss all the wonderful things about the program. And if the BBC finally gets a fucking clue and realize what damage they've done to this hallowed institution of British TV we may be witness to it's second rebirth... or regeneration if you prefer.

Here's hoping.

 

[Son Tofu]

Normally I wouldn't see the point of an OT, since this show is at it's lowest point than it has been in decades. We may be witness to it's secondary death throes and eventual cancellation.

But... it'd be nice to have a place where we can discuss all the wonderful things about the program. And if the BBC finally gets a fucking clue and realize what damage they've done to this hallowed institution of British TV we may be witness to it's second rebirth... or regeneration if you prefer.

Here's hoping.

The message is more important than the entertainment. It used to be the reverse.

Anyway. I'm currently making my way through the classic series. It's so much fun. Classic Who really is better than the majority of the new stuff.

 

[Nymphae]

Anyway. I'm currently making my way through the classic series. It's so much fun. Classic Who really is better than the majority of the new stuff.

How are you watching them? I've committed myself to getting all of the bluray releases for the classic stuff, but a guy from work gave me a hard drive a few years back that literally has every single classic episode, even the lost episodes are there as reproductions with stills and audio. I don't like to watch them though because I'm addicted to subtitles and these pirated files don't have them.

 

[GreyHorace]

Let's get out of doldrums of the current state of Who and talk about something more positive.

Who's the hottest companion for you Gaffers? My list is as follows:

Amelia 'Amy' Pond (Karen Gillan) - New series season 5-7

Clara Oswald (Jenna Louise Coleman) - New series season 7-9

Leela (Louise Jameson) - Classic series season 14-15

Perpugilliam 'Peri' Brown (Nicola Bryant) - Classic series season 21-23

Josephine 'Jo' Grant (Katy Manning) - Classic series season 8-10

 

[Nymphae]

For some reason I have always been partial to Nyssa. I liked the regal vibe and the velvet clothing, and she's just cute.

But Nu Who, I think Clara is the one I find the most attractive, but my disdain for the character cancels that out.

 

[GreyHorace]

For some reason I have always been partial to Nyssa. I liked the regal vibe and the velvet clothing, and she's just cute.

But Nu Who, I think Clara is the one I find the most attractive, but my disdain for the character cancels that out.

Oh. Sarah Sutton is indeed cute, I agree with you there. I was actually more taken with her than with Janet Fielding as Tegan. Probably because Tegan was annoying like so many of the 5th Doctor's companions (which is why I've never watched much of his run). At least Nyssa wasn't as grating as the others, hence my attraction.

Also, notice that I didn't say favorite companion, but rather hottest. I mean, don't let your dislike of the character of Clara deny the fact that Jenna Coleman is a beautiful woman. I feel the same way about Amy Pond, she's not really a favorite companion of mine but I adore Karen GIllan. My favorite companion of the New Series happens to be Donna Noble, and Catherine Tate is not exactly a headturner.

 

[Nymphae]

Probably because Tegan was annoying like so many of the 5th Doctor's companions

Sooo fucking annoying.

I really like that episode Kinda though where she goes into a dream state in a void somewhere and that nymph type thing is fucking with her head, that must have been absolutely terrifying when it aired. Watching it in 2020 I found it incredibly off putting, in a good way.

The nymph thing looks exactly like Bradley Cooper to me. The red on his teeth was a very effective visual. The whole thing is just super weird, I loved it.

 

[jshackles]

One of my earliest TV crushes

 

[Nymphae]

Speaking of velvet, Capaldi's second jacket reminds me of Nyssa.

 

[hariseldon]

Just watched the first Tom Baker episode, having downloaded his run and that of Sylvester McCoy (I'm an 80s child - I have vague recollections of McCoy so thought I'd take a look). Terrible effects and quite a slow burner, but signs of something better than new who already.

 

[GreyHorace]

One of my earliest TV crushes

Funnily enough, Lalla Ward was a last minute replacement because the first Romana, Mary Tamm, became pregnant. Ward had previously appeared in The Armageddon Factor as Princess Astra, and they wrote it in that Romana had liked the Princess' look and chose to regenerate to that form in this humorous scene:




I liked Ward's Romana better as a character, but I always thought Mary Tamm was way hotter.

 

[#Phonepunk#]

I grew up with Tom Baker on PBS. i saw the others in bits and pieces but mostly him. i live in the US, and we had it on PBS in the 80s. i remember lots of British stuff on PBS, like they would show reruns of The Prisoner as well. Tom Baker rules. always feel like he is a sci fi version of Harpo Marx.

eventually they rebooted and I started watching and right away i loved the show. every season through Capaldi, every doctor I have loved, tho I did feel the writing start to loose steam around Capaldi. it's when i stopped watching.

the Doctors are great but some of the biggest reasons to watch for me have been the Companions. Clara is probably my favorite and not just cos i have a crush on her, tho that helps. she had a lot of cool adventures with the Matt Smith doctor.

Amy was probably my favorite of all, her introduction show was really wonderful and kind of like a fairy tale crossed with a 50s monster movie, i loved her whole run. Karen is also amazing and one of the coolest people ever in anything she is in. anyone that is a fan of her in the Marvel films needs to watch her Who run.

 

[-Arcadia-]

It’s really cool to see another Clara fan.

I really liked her as a companion. It seemed less like the usual Doctor/Companion relationship, and more like 12 slowly creating a second rookie doctor and an equal (not totally, of course) to him. The interplay between 12 and her was great too — I genuinely bought that they were best of friends, and the humor was hilarious.

Seconding what you said about the whole fairy tale meets monster movie thing too for 11. That whole era feels special, and has kind of a magic about it, because of that tone. A really inspired, surprisingly perfect fit for the show.

 

[hariseldon]

Working my way through the first Tom Baker serial Robot. The evil anarchists arguing the elites should run the world because the masses are too stupid driven by a mad eco-warrior scientist and the accompanying logo are startlingly prescient...

Ended up really enjoying the serial (4 epidodes). The special effects were of course terrible but they were enough to convey what they intended and I was able to suspend disbelief. Looks like I’ll be working my way through classic Who then.

 

[Dr. Claus]

Season 11 was bad. Season 12 killed the franchise for me. What in the ever loving fuck was that Timeless Children episode?

The only way this can be fixed is if the last two seasons were retconned.

 

[Nymphae]

I ordered the Series 11 blue ray because I finished the Capaldi run and had to see that cliffhanger resolve. Hoping it's not as groan worthy as people have been saying. Holding off on series 12 until it's much cheaper.

Good god Heaven Sent with the 4.5 billion years spent in the time lord confession dial was unreal. Such a good episode.

 

[Dr. Claus]

I ordered the Series 11 blue ray because I finished the Capaldi run and had to see that cliffhanger resolve. Hoping it's not as groan worthy as people have been saying. Holding off on series 12 until it's much cheaper.

Good god Heaven Scent with the 4.5 billion years spent in the time lord confession dial was unreal. Such a good episode.

Season 11 is the "What would Doctor Who be if it was written by Twitter/ResetEra?".

 

[Nymphae]

Season 11 is the "What would Doctor Who be if it was written by Twitter/ResetEra?".

Will be interesting at the very least. It's such a shame. The production values have remained fantastic, and if they just had some good writers this show could still be incredible.

 

[Nigel]

They just retconned 60 years of content. I hope this shit burns lmao.

 

[DeafTourette]

Next twist will be transition back to male....but he's black!

They actually showed a regeneration similar to that. According to the capaldi run, time lords grew beyond color and gender... So they regenerate into whatever ... Though some of them can seemingly force their looks when they regenerate.

 

[Nymphae]

Started the Whitaker episodes last night. Really anticlimactic way to wrap up the cliffhanger from the final Capaldi show, where the Doctor falls out of the Tardis. She just shows up later on in the episode and is apparently undamaged from any fall, and near the end of the episode you find out she has a lock on the Tardis it landed on a planet somewhere.

I'll echo what everyone else has been saying, the Graham companion seems like the best of the 3, has the most personality thus far. It felt like a really weak setup for a whole new production team, it didn't have much oomph, and these companions seem even less awed by this strange new Doctor person than many previous companions I can remember.

The intro and music are finally fucking awesome again. Seriously love both, the intro visuals looks absolutely incredible (I thought the Capaldi era intro was terrible but the music was ok), and the theme song is the best it's been since the 80's for me personally. I noticed that they added a little walkway on the interior of the Tardis at the entrance doors, it has the Tardis windows on 3 sides as you walk through a tunnel a bit to finally come through to the control room. I thought it looked interesting when she walked in the first time, but realized why they made that change later, probably so they can just film the box later from the outside without having to CGI in the control room interior every single time. This way they can just shoot it normally, and you can see the interior of the box when people are standing in the doorway because the walkway inside looks like that now. Clever, but I really love those CGI shots with the Tardis interior visible when viewing the box from the outside.

 

[kurisu_1974]

No Rose Tyler fans here?

But yeah Donna Noble was the best.

I love when Who goes a bit darker, Eccleston and some Smith stuff had it right.

Oh man I miss Torchwood.

 

[jshackles]

No Rose Tyler fans here?

But yeah Donna Noble was the best.

I love when Who goes a bit darker, Eccleston and some Smith stuff had it right.

Oh man I miss Torchwood.

Loved Rose, and her surrounding characters like Mickey and her mom. Although she kinda kickstarted the whole "I'm traveling with a strange man while my boyfriend stays at home and gets jealous" thing that they like to do in the new series.

Billie Piper though

I also miss Torchwood (but not enough to watch the new episode with Capt Jack)

 

[Nymphae]

Yeah I always thought that was funny how the Doc kept taking chicks away from their boyfriends. Mickey was such a bitch about it all until he went to the other universe and manned up. He literally told Rose he'd wait around decades for her if she chose to go galavanting around with this other dude she just met who has a much nicer car lol.

 

[BouncyFrag]

Yeah I always thought that was funny how the Doc kept taking chicks away from their boyfriends. Mickey was such a bitch about it all until he went to the other universe and manned up. He literally told Rose he'd wait around decades for her if she chose to go galavanting around with this other dude she just met who has a much nicer car lol.

Tenth doctor hating on Mickey at 1:12:

Lol

 

[Nymphae]

So I have 1 episode left for season 11, and yeah there has been a very noticeable decline in the quality of the writing. I'm 9 episodes into the season and I don't feel like I know any of the 3 companions at all really. It's amazing how....blah it all feels.

I have nothing against Whitaker and actually would really enjoy seeing a female Doctor work well, but so far she's not doing much for me. I like her look but that's about it. Maybe her performance will shine a bit more in season 12 despite the narrative BS? I don't feel like there's much distinct to say about her as the Doctor after 9 episodes, very milquetoast so far.

 

[jshackles]

So I have 1 episode left for season 11, and yeah there has been a very noticeable decline in the quality of the writing. I'm 9 episodes into the season and I don't feel like I know any of the 3 companions at all really. It's amazing how....blah it all feels.

I have nothing against Whitaker and actually would really enjoy seeing a female Doctor work well, but so far she's not doing much for me. I like her look but that's about it. Maybe her performance will shine a bit more in season 12 despite the narrative BS? I don't feel like there's much distinct to say about her as the Doctor after 9 episodes, very milquetoast so far.

Jodie Whitaker is a wonderful actress, and when I first heard that she would be taking on the role I was really excited. I loved her opposite John Boyega and Nick Frost in 2011's Attack the Block



Turns out, writing for a TV show is more important than who you have cast.