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[maharg]

Said it plenty of times before, but one thing I really liked about Martha was she wasn't running away from a mundane life or some other personal issue to go with the Doctor.

The more I think about it the more I find this reasoning for liking her to be really weird. If she was so happy at her job and her home, why did she go? Obviously she did find her life mundane.

And why should it be a bad thing for people to join the doctor because of that anyways? The Doctor himself is running away from something, it's kind of a central theme of the show.

 

[Rubbish King]

Ughh I have a crush on Billie Piper....

 

[WanderingWind]

The more I think about it the more I find this reasoning for liking her to be really weird. If she was so happy at her job and her home, why did she go? Obviously she did find her life mundane.

Well...look at it this way. You could be a billionaire with a loving, super-model wife (who cooks and is into experimental 3ways with her hot girlfriend) and never get to see the stars once, much less have access to all of space and time.

 

[Hot Coldman]

Oh hey, the Series 6 OST is on Spotify. 'The Doctor in Utah' is just magnificent.

 

[maharg]

... And when faced with that opportunity you would realize either that you were satisfied with what you had and the *risk* wasn't worth it, or that you weren't and the risk was. It's not like hanging out with the doctor is risk free, and Martha knew that.

 

[Violater]

Ohh FFS how many times are the Dalek going to come back and yet the Time Lords never seem to make a return.

 

[maharg]

Ohh FFS how many times are the Dalek going to come back and yet the Time Lords never seem to make a return.

If you're just watching through for the first time, you will live to regret those words.

 

[EleventhDoctor]

If you're just watching through for the first time, you will live to regret those words.

So true.

 

[StalkerUKCG]

Neil Gaiman needs to write more episodes, The Doctors Wife is awesome.
It had all the stuff moffats stuff dosnt really have for the rest of the series.

Im sick of the Dark Fairytale twilight inspired Doctor now hopefully the next incarnation will be "alien"

Starting to want Cybermen and Dalek Episodes again, Moffats episodes seem to be light on actually "foes" and more about the doctor saving the day and being crazy. Silence are good and more explanation would be nice the final for S6 left so many questions.

Xmas episode was fun, worst one yet however..

1. The End of Time
2. The Next Doctor
3. The Christmas Invasion
4. A Christmas Carol
5. Runaway Bride
6. Voyage of the Damned
7. The Doctor, the Widow and the Wardrobe

 

[Violater]

If you're just watching through for the first time, you will live to regret those words.

Shhhushh!!!

incidentally I now know who this woman is

And wow now I wonder how close she and the doctor really were

 

[RedShift]

One thing I only vaguely liked during the Timelords awful reappearance was that it finally shows the guantlet that hinted at in Torchwood S1 with the ressurection gauntlet being one of a pair. Was quite subtle

 

[Violater]

K I'm out of this thread, thanks

 

[JonathanEx]

One thing I only vaguely liked during the Timelords awful reappearance was that it finally shows the guantlet that hinted at in Torchwood S1 with the ressurection gauntlet being one of a pair. Was quite subtle

Now was that deliberate or Doctor Who budget prop reuse, like how the Oval Office became 2 other sets in S6?

 

[StalkerUKCG]

One thing I only vaguely liked during the Timelords awful reappearance was that it finally shows the guantlet that hinted at in Torchwood S1 with the ressurection gauntlet being one of a pair. Was quite subtle

No they didnt, that was something completely different. The first glove is

Spoiler

destroyed to break the link between suzi and gwen

Jack gets the second glove in the episode dead man walking from the weevile infected church to

Spoiler

bring owen back.

Which means the pair is complete

The prop was likely reused for the gauntlet of Rassilon but its not a torchwood reference

 

[RedShift]

No they didnt, that was something completely different. The first glove is

Spoiler

destroyed to break the link between suzi and gwen

Jack gets the second glove in the episode dead man walking from the weevile infected church to

Spoiler

bring owen back.

Which means the pair is complete

The prop was likely reused for the gauntlet of Rassilon but its not a torchwood reference

Oh. Well thats less interesting. I gave up on Torchwood fairly early

 

[maharg]

Now was that deliberate or Doctor Who budget prop reuse, like how the Oval Office became 2 other sets in S6?

My favorite BBC prop reuse is when the necklaces the Adherents of the Repeated Meme (black robed robot things) in The End of the World were the same ones the King's chief ministers wore as symbol of their office in The Tudors.

 

[WanderingWind]

... And when faced with that opportunity you would realize either that you were satisfied with what you had and the *risk* wasn't worth it, or that you weren't and the risk was. It's not like hanging out with the doctor is risk free, and Martha knew that.

Man, I sincerely disagree with your worldview. It's like somebody offered you 10 million dollars, but you already have a job you love, so you turn them down. You can have things great, but new experiences are what a large percentage of humanity lives for. You can't get more new than something that like, 10 humans have ever experienced (in the Who universe)

 

[Vinci]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure I could talk my wife into the two of us going with the Doctor without too much effort - and she thinks he's annoying as hell.

 

[maharg]

Man, I sincerely disagree with your worldview. It's like somebody offered you 10 million dollars, but you already have a job you love, so you turn them down. You can have things great, but new experiences are what a large percentage of humanity lives for. You can't get more new than something that like, 10 humans have ever experienced (in the Who universe)

This isn't really a matter of worldview at all. If I had nothing to do with 10 million dollars, why would I bother taking it? Of course I personally would take it, but I'm not someone for whom 10 million dollars would not expand my world substantially.

Do you think Bill Gates buys lottery tickets? Does he spend his day seeking out opportunities to add $10 million to his bank account?

Likewise, how many 20 year olds are really honestly and completely fulfilled and satisfied with their lives and the things they're doing with it and have done with it? Very few. A desire for exploration and new experiences is normal *and* indicative of not being entirely fulfilled. That it's the status quo for their demographic (and Martha's) doesn't really change that.

But in the end, none of this matters. When people say "Martha went with the Doctor for no particular reason" it's basically the same as saying "Martha is an uninteresting story." And in the end, I think that's bullshit too. Because you know what she went chasing after that the story tells us she was lacking? A man.

 

[infiniteloop]

My ranking of the Christmas episodes.

Good episodes
---------------------
1. A Christmas Carol
2. The Christmas Invasion

Average episodes
------------------------
3. The Doctor, the Widow and the Wardrobe
4. The Next Doctor

Excruciatingly awful epiodes
-------------------------
5. The End of Time
6. Runaway Bride
7. Voyage of the Damned

 

[EleventhDoctor]

My ranking of the Christmas episodes.

Good episodes
---------------------
1. A Christmas Carol
2. The Christmas Invasion

Average episodes
------------------------
3. The Doctor, the Widow and the Wardrobe
4. The Next Doctor

Excruciatingly awful epiodes
-------------------------
5. The End of Time
6. Runaway Bride
7. Voyage of the Damned

You win

 

[BatDan]

My ranking of the Christmas episodes.

Good episodes
---------------------
1. A Christmas Carol
2. The Christmas Invasion

Average episodes
------------------------
3. The Doctor, the Widow and the Wardrobe
4. The Next Doctor

Excruciatingly awful epiodes
-------------------------
5. The End of Time
6. Runaway Bride
7. Voyage of the Damned

That's about right. Especially Voyage of the Damned (fuck that episode hard).

 

[DrForester]

The more I think about it the more I find this reasoning for liking her to be really weird. If she was so happy at her job and her home, why did she go? Obviously she did find her life mundane.

And why should it be a bad thing for people to join the doctor because of that anyways? The Doctor himself is running away from something, it's kind of a central theme of the show.

Because there are people who would go on an unplanned adventure if one presented itself.

 

[maharg]

Ignoring that I addressed the idea that I think that means they have something in need of fulfilling, why is that a positive or interesting character trait?

How many really good stories are about people who just happened to go on an adventure? I can think of a couple of quasi-examples, but they're mostly very much aimed at small children.

 

[WanderingWind]

This isn't really a matter of worldview at all. If I had nothing to do with 10 million dollars, why would I bother taking it? Of course I personally would take it, but I'm not someone for whom 10 million dollars would not expand my world substantially.

Do you think Bill Gates buys lottery tickets? Does he spend his day seeking out opportunities to add $10 million to his bank account?

Likewise, how many 20 year olds are really honestly and completely fulfilled and satisfied with their lives and the things they're doing with it and have done with it? Very few. A desire for exploration and new experiences is normal *and* indicative of not being entirely fulfilled. That it's the status quo for their demographic (and Martha's) doesn't really change that.

But in the end, none of this matters. When people say "Martha went with the Doctor for no particular reason" it's basically the same as saying "Martha is an uninteresting story." And in the end, I think that's bullshit too. Because you know what she went chasing after that the story tells us she was lacking? A man.

Nah, man it's totally a matter of how you view the world. Still not agreeing at all. You can be totally happy and content and still seek out new things. But this is getting circular.

 

[DrForester]

Ignoring that I addressed the idea that I think that means they have something in need of fulfilling, why is that a positive or interesting character trait?

I guess a better clarification would be that my enjoyment of Martha was in her potential (I'd be foolish to argue that they didn't really drop the ball.) From the writers standpoint, all she was was the rebound character for the doctor. I really didn't mind the romantic angle, or even that in the end, that romantic view Martha has for him was why she went.

In the end, I think part of the problem the writers had with Martha was that Doctor Who (well, new who at least) is about The Doctor and his companions. They work in tandem. Series 3 was all about the Doctor, Martha was just a prop.

How many really good stories are about people who just happened to go on an adventure? I can think of a couple of quasi-examples, but they're mostly very much aimed at small children.

Not really but it gives me an excuse to post it

 

[jdogmoney]

Shhhushh!!!

incidentally I now know who this woman is

And wow now I wonder how close she and the doctor really were

BTW, she and Ten had more off-screen adventures. It's sort of implied, but I for one didn't find it obvious.

 

[maharg]

Not really but it gives me an excuse to post it

Heh. One of the examples I thought of. Also Alice in Wonderland could qualify, though she was blatantly bored if nothing else. I think Bilbo disqualifies because while he thought he was happy he really wasn't.

Nah, man it's totally a matter of how you view the world. Still not agreeing at all. You can be totally happy and content and still seek out new things. But this is getting circular.

What people do in real life isn't really the same as what makes for a good story. My argument centers on the idea that Martha was either an uninteresting story (because there was no purpose driving her into the story) or a lame story (because the real purpose was a rather flat and stereotypical "I need a man" kind of thing that the show seemed almost ashamed to acknowledge).

Rose and Donna were running away from something, and that's actually what makes them interesting characters.

 

[Violater]

Season 5 I am among you
my eyes bleed time for sleep

 

[ghstwrld]

I'm pretty sure it's the opposite; Martha's a little overwhelmed by school and her family and all of the other stuff going on in her life, and wants an adventure away from home.

Anyway, I like Martha's whole Doctor-in-training bit. Her work in her season's finale is fabulous.

 

[Goldrush]

I like where Martha ended up after the Doctor. However, it would have been great if Martha grew into her military persona throughout the series rather than just the finale.

 

[Violater]

I like where Martha ended up after the Doctor. However, it would have been great if Martha grew into her military persona throughout the series rather than just the finale.

Problem is the military persona portrayed in the finale seemed like one of despair, especially if the doctor had not intervened. And lol @ Mickey I thought Martha was engaged to someone.

In the end the finale just put a bow on all the characters to make sure they never have to come back within the 11th doctor's timeline.
As for the

Spoiler

timelords

I felt that was utterly pointless with the exception of taking out the master.

And seriously how many end of the world scenarios can there be....

I am so ridiculously sick of companions falling for the doctor, especially Amy leaving on the night before her wedding WTF

 

[Choppasmith]

Thought I'd post this for those interested

This Doctor Who shirt is the latest deal on TeeRaiders

Only $10 instead of 25.

 

[Boogiepop]

When I think back on Martha all I can think of is how terrible the Shakespeare episode was with the "A woman, and a black person at that? How preposterous to our old timey sensibilities!" Just bleh.
And it felt... odd to see Martha come back the way she did. I figured when she was leaving the Tardis to just help people, I assumed it would be as a doctor, which is what she seemed to be about for the whole season, instead of going off and becoming militaristic after the little bit of that we saw in the finale.

 

[Violater]

Season 6 so far makes no sense

 

[WanderingWind]

Season 6 so far makes no sense

...

I'm sorry. I'm so, so sorry.

 

[Violater]

...

I'm sorry. I'm so, so sorry.

Then why do you keep putting them in danger!!

lolol Rory just went SSJ4

Amy and Rory are well lets just say it white, baby melody was white so then WTF.... this show has officially jumped the shark.

 

[Staccat0]

Then why do you keep putting them in danger!!

lolol Rory just went SSJ4

Amy and Rory are well lets just say it white, baby melody was white so then WTF.... this show has officially jumped the shark.

You have enough info to answer these questions...

 

[BatDan]

Then why do you keep putting them in danger!!

lolol Rory just went SSJ4

Amy and Rory are well lets just say it white, baby melody was white so then WTF.... this show has officially jumped the shark.

Doctor Who has been on for nearly 50 years, it can't exactly jump the shark at this point. It just gets a format change.

 

[maharg]

Amy and Rory are well lets just say it white, baby melody was white so then WTF.... this show has officially jumped the shark.

Really dude? You're watching a show where people magically change their face when they die and your problem is that their skin colour changed while it was happening?

 

[Violater]

Really dude? You're watching a show where people magically change their face when they die and your problem is that their skin colour changed while it was happening?

Sorry all I finally caught up to that episode that "explains" it all.
Almost finished with season 6 I really hope there isn't a serious cliffhanger......

 

[Xelinis]

Almost finished with season 6 I really hope there isn't a serious cliffhanger......

There's a little bit of one, but enough loose ends get tied up so that it's fine.

 

[The Elite]

Then why do you keep putting them in danger!!

lolol Rory just went SSJ4

Amy and Rory are well lets just say it white, baby melody was white so then WTF.... this show has officially jumped the shark.

I lol'd.

 

[Violater]

Ok all caught up, was a good ride, now what ;(

 

[BatDan]

Ok all caught up, was a good ride, now what ;(

We wait until Fall...
Or you could watch classic Who for cheesy fun.
Or Sherlock (also from Steven Moffat), I hear it's amazing.

 

[Violater]

We wait until Fall...
Or you could watch classic Who for cheesy fun.
Or Sherlock (also from Steven Moffat), I hear it's amazing.

Was just thinking about that.
But I would rather something that has a couple seasons under the belt, think I will try Breaking Bad.

Will the fall season introduce a new doctor? I guess it will probably be another season of the 11th if all that prophecy talk is to be followed up on.

 

[deduce]

Thought I'd post this for those interested

This Doctor Who shirt is the latest deal on TeeRaiders

Only $10 instead of 25.

That is such a great shirt. Bought one just in time.

 

[Jasoco]

Will the fall season introduce a new doctor? I guess it will probably be another season of the 11th if all that prophecy talk is to be followed up on.

Matt Smith is The Doctor until at least the 2013 season. So no.

That is such a great shirt. Bought one just in time.

You're gonna look pretty silly in a few years when we get a 12th Doctor and he's not on your shirt!

 

[deduce]

Matt Smith is The Doctor until at least the 2013 season. So no.

You're gonna look pretty silly in a few years when we get a 12th Doctor and he's not on your shirt!

That's OK,I don't mind having outdated shirts. I still have a Los Angeles Raiders Tasmanian Devil t-shirt in my closet.

 

[Jasoco]

I have one that says "Good bye-a Sanjaya" so..

Also, I have started watching from the beginning of season 1 of New Who. I forgot how much I liked Eccleston.