Doom The Dark Ages Steam CCU peaked at 31,470

The focus on shield/parry made it too not a Doom game (still a good game, just not what fans would want from Doom). Also, mandatory needing an RTX card when the game looks exactly like Doom 2016/Doom Eternal probably was not the best choice.
 
The higher the price, the more gamepass will hurt sales presumably.

I say 'hurt', but this is clearly priced at a 'look, we don't even want you to buy this, go sub to game pass already ffs' price point. The correct behaviour when faced with such skulduggery is to neither buy or subscribe.
 
They're asking €80 in Europe for a 16-20 hour, one and done SP experience. I think most of my European PC bros have tried it or played it via GP PC.

Personally, I'll pick it up once the price drops to around €30-€40 since I'm in no particular rush to play it.

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Killjoy-NL said:
No problem.

Xbox seems to have 4 Concords/marathons of it's own.
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How so when all have done huge gamepass numbers?

Do you realise how many physical copies of Office Microsoft sells anymore..? Windows? How many blurays Netflix sells quarterly..? Do they both measure metric in that department?

Or is that just the metric you choose to believe makes a game good or not, you don't even seem to care about review scores or the majority of posters on here enjoying said games. Update the logical part of thinking what Microsoft cares about it's not physical games sold. It's continual quarterly subscriptions the same as Netflix and wonder why every other Hollywood company moving to streaming with their own app as well instead of flogging off plastic boxes.

The billions in gamepass revenue yearly pays for these titles.
 
Mattyp said:
How so when all have done huge gamepass numbers?

Do you realise how many physical copies of Office Microsoft sells anymore..? Windows? How many blurays Netflix sells quarterly..? Do they both measure metric in that department?

Or is that just the metric you choose to believe makes a game good or not, you don't even seem to care about review scores or the majority of posters on here enjoying said games. Update the logical part of thinking what Microsoft cares about it's not physical games sold. It's continual quarterly subscriptions the same as Netflix and wonder why every other Hollywood company moving to streaming with their own app as well instead of flogging off plastic boxes.

The billions in gamepass revenue yearly pays for these titles.
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Yes, Nadella will probably be very pleased with the 4M players for Indiana and the 117K sales on PS5.

Doom doesn't seem to do all that much better.

Avowed and SoM even worse.

Xbox has a problem with selling their output and GP.
 
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You (albeit barely) can explain why CCU is lower than Eternal due to GamePass.

But it's lower than 2016 and 2016 was considered barely an AAA game. It was made by a way smaller team with way smaller marketing budget and with way less brand recognition behind it. Release-adjusted of course.

I think with TDA it's was a mix of things that brought down franchise to those numbers

1. It's more of a beat-em-up with guns than a FPS and that alienated a lot of old geezers (DOOM is 30+ yo franchise with some fans in their early 70s). Game has a very weak and tame word-of-mouth and I'm sure the sales tail is not that great.
2. Game is short by modern standarts, advanced access is expensive and sticker price is too much for a 10-hour linear FPS.
3. Marketing was not that brilliant, The Dark Ages clearly sought after new fans but in the process many 2016 and Eternal players were on the fence from the moment the melee-focus and open areas were presented as a key selling points.
4. Whole shameful story with Mick Gordon was never fully closed or healed. We never got a proper Eternal OST and lack of at least some names in TDA (Finishing Move is a generic additional music-for-hire house ffs) didn't help either. God help me to understand why they didn't signed at least Andrew Hulshult who made brilliant Eternal DLCs OST.
5. Forced RTX was a mistake that surely cut some sales. While the game is a looker at places, it's does not look 2-3 generation apart better than Eternal. And Eternal was lauded for being an optimization powerhouse. With it's metal album cover asetheticss id Software is just forcing RT onto what is frankly diminishing returns. That being said, there's only one RTX-less GPU in top-10 Steam HW survey so I think this point is severely overblown in the overall discussion.
6. Console ports are not great either, all platforms are suffering from soft IQ and choppy FPS.
7. GamePass, but not in the way that you think. Usually, people play GP version for an hour or so and they buy a game. Many treat PC Gamepass as a demo service. I can argue that this can help new or unproven games with strong intros like Expedition 33 a ton. With TDA, where the frist 5 hours are the weakest, it doesn't help to build a case of spending $70 at all.

I don't see how MS or Bethesda will consider TDA a success after it lost to 2016, really. They will of course pull some BS number out of their asses as usual, but it will not surprise me if DOOM will be put on ice for the time being.
 
I think maybe the price tag along with the mandatory raytracing plus the fact that the game is in gamepass probably contributed to this situation. I hope the game is selling well anyway because it's very fun and well made, even if it doesn't reach Doom's Eternal greatness
 
Not a bad game but target audience got burned by doom:eternal, and didnt like game's setting at all, pretty big flop, sorry to say this .
Doom 2016 was literal fire compared to this, graphically didnt age much either and in terms of gameplay/fun its lightyears ahead of both eternal and dark ages:
 
I'm enjoying it so far, not as much as eternal but probably about the same as 2016.

I do kind of wish they'd used the ray tracing for lighting instead of damage though.
 
TintoConCasera said:
80€ for a "short" game that's available on GP.

Plus the game needing an RTX card when the previous entry ran on a toaster.

Not surprised.
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I just didn't like eternal so have no plans to buy this one... I bet you there's a fair few like this who didn't like eternals weapon ammo rationing system and weird ass fucking lore that over explains everything, so just wrote the next one off like me.
 
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Im playing it on Gamepass and if I didnt have gamepass I wouldnt have bought it until it was on a big sale - no way am I paying those stupid prices for any game.

So far I feel its a bit.....meh. Even annoying honestly.

The music is so bland an unexciting compared to 2016 and Eternal - theres no oomph to it to give any of the battles any excitement - it feels flat.

The parrying is a bit annoying - sometimes I find myself just waiting for a green shape just so I can keep fighting. Its annoying when theres loads of enemies around you as instead of planning who you are going to aim at Im constantly looking around to parry instead.

I dont like all the colours of everything either - it feels out of place for the setting and tone the game and story is trying to set. Plus I have no idea what ammo types are for each weapon as they are all the same glowing orange when you're belting about.
I find that theres no indication of when you pick anything up too - especially health, not a sound queue or screen queue so sometimes I think Ive picked something up but i actually havent....maybe Im just dumb.

I also dont like the chapters and how levels just "end" to go into the next bit. More and more I realise I really like fully built worlds that all fit together like 2016 had - and how everything in that made sense in why it was there. Here its just 1,2,3 as you go along - it feels bitty with no real interconnectedness or sense of moving through a real world.

The other thing that makes me laugh is the story and cutscenes - I cant get over all these soldiers in futuristic space suits and spaceships and then these medieval viking guys roaming around. they just look like cosplayers and looks ridiculous to me.

I will finish it as its ok gameplay wise in short bursts but I am glad I didnt buy it.
 
Ass of Can Whooping said:
Finished it. Favourite gameplay loop tbh

Almost feel bad to refund my gamepass

Almost
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If Microsoft weren't the most pro consumer bestest company in existence since 1975® then I'd feel bad, but since it's them and the fact that they are so wholesome, charitable, and totally not driven by monopolistic principles, I think it's perfectly fine.
 
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Lucifers Beard said:
Ah OK so let's just play the same game we played 30+ years ago but get charged £70 for it? No thanks. This is the epitome of 'damned if you do and damned if you don't' when it comes to gameplay changes. You'll never please everyone, but that doesn't make this a bad game.
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That's true. What makes it a bad game is that it sucks ass, and it's not a Doom game. If you don't want to play the same game we played 30+ years ago, how about something that isn't 'Doom'?
 
> 80 euros for a 15 hour game with little replay value
> No Mick Gordon
> Unnecessary story with a bunch of characters you don't care about
> Gameplay mechanics that are different from the previous, very popular game
> they took something that is metal and badass and reddit-ified it by making it cringe and goofy (power rangers robot battle with Cthulhu, get outta here)

The game just looks kinda lame, which is quite a feat. They made Doom look kinda lame.
 
When I had an Xbox I was a Gamepass subscriber for years. Now that I game in PC I only sub monthly when a game I want comes out. I enjoyed the service. With that said, I honestly think the best future course for Microsoft is to just pull the rug out and announce gamepass is shutting down in a year and games are going back to a purchase model.

Nintendo is the only company that doesn't have a subscription service for modern games and games sell extremely well on that console.
 
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Mattyp said:
How so when all have done huge gamepass numbers?

Do you realise how many physical copies of Office Microsoft sells anymore..? Windows? How many blurays Netflix sells quarterly..? Do they both measure metric in that department?

Or is that just the metric you choose to believe makes a game good or not, you don't even seem to care about review scores or the majority of posters on here enjoying said games. Update the logical part of thinking what Microsoft cares about it's not physical games sold. It's continual quarterly subscriptions the same as Netflix and wonder why every other Hollywood company moving to streaming with their own app as well instead of flogging off plastic boxes.

The billions in gamepass revenue yearly pays for these titles.
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2020 called and it wants its discord shill script back.
 
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I want to buy the game but selling a Gamepass title for 80€ is nuts. What are they smoking?

edit: Also launching withouth Path Tracing, instant skip for me as a 5090 owner.
 
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Jack Package said:
It's nothing to do with game pass, it's everything to do with this being doom in name only.
This game is to doom what quake 2 is to quake 1, linked in name only.
I just finished it, and it is completely unremarkable.
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Yeah currently going through it and I find myself more annoyed than entertained. It's certainly no Eternal (and I even had to warm up to that) and it doesn't even hold a candle to something like Witchfire which does pretty much everything TDA does but better (visually and performancewise as well):

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Killjoy-NL said:
No problem.

Xbox seems to have 4 Concords/marathons of it's own.
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Mattyp said:
How so when all have done huge gamepass numbers?

Do you realise how many physical copies of Office Microsoft sells anymore..? Windows? How many blurays Netflix sells quarterly..? Do they both measure metric in that department?

Or is that just the metric you choose to believe makes a game good or not, you don't even seem to care about review scores or the majority of posters on here enjoying said games. Update the logical part of thinking what Microsoft cares about it's not physical games sold. It's continual quarterly subscriptions the same as Netflix and wonder why every other Hollywood company moving to streaming with their own app as well instead of flogging off plastic boxes.

The billions in gamepass revenue yearly pays for these titles.
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Don't waste your breath dude.

Even Sony is moving to MAUs and it doesn't have a service that competes with gamepass for content and the quality of day one games.

The tune will soon change from these guys and somehow MAUs will make sense to them.

As soon as Sony follows suit in a similar fashion to MS. Which they clearly already are. Their fans will continue to defend every move.

Its wild, when you think so many have been on the attack against MS and the way they report numbers. I'm sure Sony will continue to report hardware numbers for an least the rest of this gen but it wouldn't surprise me if they start moving away from that too.
 
DenchDeckard said:
Don't waste your breath dude.

Even Sony is moving to MAUs and it doesn't have a service that competes with gamepass for content and the quality of day one games.

The tune will soon change from these guys and somehow MAUs will make sense to them.

As soon as Sony follows suit in a similar fashion to MS. Which they clearly already are. Their fans will continue to defend every move.

Its wild, when you think so many have been on the attack against MS and the way they report numbers. I'm sure Sony will continue to report hardware numbers for an least the rest of this gen but it wouldn't surprise me if they start moving away from that too.
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Apples to oranges.

One is marketleader and breaks records.

The other is dying.
 
Windom Earle said:
I want to buy the game but selling a Gamepass title for 80€ is nuts. What are they smoking?
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MS would rather have you on their "service", than you buying/owning a game where you want. It all makes sense for me. Especially the raising of prices....all it does is pushing people on their service. 🤷‍♂️
 
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Doom 2016 got it right in the first minute of the game when it opens up with the game setting up the story and premise for you, and Doomguy just grabs the monitor and hurls the fucking thing across the room.
 
I'm not convinced that RTX requirement is the reason behind this supposed underperformance (we will get some sort of figures soon from Circana or anyone else). The top GPUs on Steam are now mostly (older) RTX-supporting fare and the cost savings from implementing a RT-only lighting solution must be good enough.

- Gamepass effect is definitely active here. It's one thing for E33 to not suffer from this because it has a low MSRP + was massively on sale during the preorder period (I got my Deluxe copy for less than the regular copy sells!). But a $70 game that's only 15 hours long is definitely not gonna sell when PC gamepass costs so little.

- Doom Eternal seems to have had mixed reception. I think there's a FF15 effect there, where the game sold super well, but it turned off most of its buyers and they didn't tune in to its successors. Doesn't help that things like glory kills multiplayer etc are not part of the package this go-round.

- The positioning of Doom as a story-heavy game just seems very misguided imo. This is a franchise that was primarily built on technical excellence, rock-solid gameplay and most importantly: a strong multiplayer mode, it didn't need a story imo.

Kacho said:
Doom has become fodder for console wars. What a time to be alive.
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I mean it honestly doesn't help when people are calling these things "MS first party" or calling Destiny 2 a "Sony game".

Like were we seriously not gonna get a Doom game pre-MS takeover? Destiny 2 wasn't gonna get expansions if Jim Ryan didn't buy them? I doubt it.
 
Difficult is walk in the park compared to Eternal. It's har to die even on Ultra Violence. "Noob" Eternal players complains won. 🤷‍♂️
 
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Mattyp said:
🤣 No argument then? I missed how much money Microsoft has been losing this last decade moving everything to a service… shares are in the toilet my mistake.
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How would anyone know? They hide all the numbers that don't look good for Xbox 😆
 
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I played the first two missions and have kinda quit. It's alright but I dunno, there's a million other games that are more fun for me. There doesn't seem to be anything wrong with it per se but there's more enjoyable games and movies I can spend my time on. Maybe I'll go back to it one day.
 
PixelatedBeast said:
Subscription services are the trojan horse for the saying " You will own nothing, and you will like it."

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Not everybody wants to rent their games. Theres nothing pro consumer about subscriptions, companies raise their prices all the time. As soon as you stop paying, those games, movies or songs are no longer available. You have less right as a consumer as well. No ownership over what you pay for, nothing to pass down after you're gone. Just perpetually paying for something that only benefits the corporation.
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You don't own your stream games either. It's best to give the consumer choices in this regard and gamepass is simply a valuable choice for the consumer.
 
For a saga like Doom, barely 30,000 players is a major failure; Doom Eternal had three times as many players, so it's clear that the game wasn't as popular as the previous ones.
 
While i really liked DOOM 2016, i didn't like Eternal and i think the Dark Ages falls in between but nearer Eternal for me, it's the arena death match but everywhere and it looks an ok/good game but it doesn't make me want to buy it, i want the atmosphere and quiet build up of terror and the different locations of 2016, it seems just continuous mayhem with no let up, which i would get bored of doing after a while, i know the Original Doom was more or less the same, but i've always wanted a Doom 2016 sequel but better, those numbers don't surprise me.
 
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I get the praise for 2016 but at the same time I get why they did not want to make the same game again. In fact I applaud it. Too many franchises keep going through endless safe repetitions.

I'd be willing to give DA a chance, just not at this price. I will play the fairly priced 10/10 genre defining RPG instead. Also just not interested in Game Pass.
 
Dr.Morris79 said:
And there it is

How did we get to a point where a Doom game isn't for people who like Doom? :pie_thinking:

Aye, they just didn't know how to make a Doom game 🤷‍♂️
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I mean, I adore all the DOOM games, even the new ones. I find them enjoyable and entertaining. It's just different strokes for different folks. 🤷‍♂️
 
Considering Doom Eternal was over 100K players at launch on steam... this isn't good. I didn't buy it and am playing on gamepass as well. Runs smooth on my 3070TI, but on medium settings. This game is a resource hog unlike the last 2 games.
 
Killjoy-NL said:
No problem.

Xbox seems to have 4 Concords/marathons of it's own.
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As someone that doesn't have an ounce of care for any studio over the other, saying this is a huge stretch lmao.

I mean, Concord is Concord and Marathon is Marathon. There's reasons why they've both gathered so much negative attention, any other title you're referring to has not even come close to that amount of negative attention. 🤣
 
MiguelItUp said:
As someone that doesn't have an ounce of care for any studio over the other, saying this is a huge stretch lmao.

I mean, Concord is Concord and Marathon is Marathon. There's reasons why they've both gathered so much negative attention, any other title you're referring to has not even come close to that amount of negative attention. 🤣
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There's also a reason why Playstation games doing so poorly is rather rare, while for Xbox it seems to be the norm.
 
Jack Package said:
I played on ultra violence, most of the options for melee, shield and weapons are completely redundant, and you could easily beat the game with just the super shotgun. It absolutely mogs the other weapons.
The game doesn't do anything unique. It's not a bad game by any means, it's just bang average which is something doom should never be.
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That's sounds fantastic to me. Super shotgun 4 life.
 
Killjoy-NL said:
There's also a reason why Playstation games doing so poorly is rather rare, while for Xbox it seems to be the norm.
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I wouldn't know as I'm not paying close attention to the statistics and numbers of studios. I just consistently hope and want good/fun games regardless of where they land or where they come from. 🤷‍♂️
 
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