I noticed myself based on Rookie and Amateur alone, the AI got much more aggressive (positively) , still completely coherent, avoiding where possible but under racing conditions. The video above + my own experience, questions some peoples ability or agenda.
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I noticed myself based on Rookie and Amateur alone, the AI got much more aggressive (positively) , still completely coherent, avoiding where possible but under racing conditions. The video above + my own experience, questions some peoples ability or agenda.
But when did you become a member of an active club? Only xp earned after that point will contribute.
GrizzleBoy
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Just reading your response there is no way you read my post and watched the video.
Leaving space for a car with its bonnet next to your car door instead of slowly pushing them off the track when there's five meters of space on the other side is impossible?
Being able to go through a corner side by side is impossible?
Overtaking without cutting someone off so badly that you actually drive into their bumper while taking the racing line is impossible? ON A STRAIGHT?
Please.....read my post, watch the video it refers to, and make a post that actually addresses it because it seems all you've done is create an auto defence post that doesn't even attempt to debate any of the actual points I raised.
mangochutney
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Yeah, as I say the Rookie and Amateur levels seem to be the choo-choo, all aboard the racing line type races.
And I will take a guess that this is to make them more predictable, and easier to overtake. But I've yet to have an AI take me out or do anything I consider 'bad behaviour' apart from then I pulled dick moves on them.
If you want bad opponents, race online, full of idiots taking bee-lines right for you.
If you're riding side by side, and the guy is inside you...you don't try to drive through him to hit the apex. Same with passing on the outside, you shouldn't get run off the road due to the AI drive-line shifting outside.
While there are some instances where this is what should be done, what about when you're just riding along side by side, and it completely ignores you?
This doesn't get any clearer that the player doesn't matter to the AI....twice.
I have a question about your first point, why doesn't the player instead acknowledge the Ai who is infront of him and brake? This is why everyone causes wrecks online.
EGOMON
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The game is a really solid racer with amazing graphics, great car handling and addictive offline mode. The only thing missing is the online play I got connected once and it was a blast.
If you don't mind the online mode, leaderboards and online challenges then yea it is worth it or just wait for the online to get fixed and then join us.
As for the reviews most of them garbage impressions from gaffers and other players in the community are positive so far.
GrizzleBoy
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My post was made to outline the way that the AI behaves around the player in terms of awareness, which leads to people complaining about the AI driving at times like you aren't even there.
If I was critiquing the guys driving my post would have been a hell of a lot longer, but that's something else entirely.
travisbickle
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The AI's perfectly aware of the player, when you're exchanging paint with an AI just nudge them back and they'll soon move behind. And in the situation on the straight, I would have moved across and cut the guy out, expecting the player to drop back. He was practically a cars length ahead. I like the AI, it's like a modern TOCA, they jostle a bit but they don't kamikaze.
lovely ladies
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I'm receiving this game on Wednesday but I didn't order from Gamestop or Amazon. I'm not getting any of the pre-order bonuses am I?
Graphics Horse
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Technically the AI wasn't in front, player reaches 7th place before braking. Tough one to call as the player brakes too hard and drives off track.
Dreams-Visions
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Roger that. ty sir
I don't have Driveclub yet, so I haven't experienced the AI for myself.
It's interesting that you recognise that the car in front has no obligation to deviate from the racing line when it is the car in front. If the car behind gets hit it is his own fault. The point where I noticed they are actually side by side is around 1:48 and if that is where you mean, you are simply wrong, the white car doesn't move from its position, it is in fact the guy playing that smashes into him. :s
T.M. MacReady
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East Coast USA here looking for a club to join. PSN ID is the same as my username here. Someone drop me an invite.
kitschbeam
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I think he was quite active on twitter since last week answering lots of questions. I'd say Rushy just want to take a break for a while.
Probably because of the article written based off his tweets
Pestilence11
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That could very well be it. Thanks Eurogamer, now we'll have even less communication.
haZethew0rld
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That shot looks so goodNot sure if anyone's posted this yet but I remember that '50 Things about Driveclub' mentioning this: Northern Lights. (Promptly spinning out at the next corner with the goddamn Atom)
The more I play this game, the more I'm falling in love with it. The driving mechanics are just so good at riding the line of realism without being unforgiving. Almost every car I've unlocked feels unique and special in it's own way. Almost every track is inspired and incredibly fun/challenging. Even the hyper car events, while challenging, are not unfair and feel incredibly rewarding when you finally nail that perfect lap/drift/race.
Once all the online challenges and leaderboards are up, it's only going to get better.
Additionally, to those that say this game has "rubberbanding" I can assure you that is not the case. Yes the AI may drive better/more aggressively if you are doing well, but I've finished some races on courses I know extremely well over 6-7 seconds in front of the second place car. They will not exceed the limits of the actual cars themselves, they will just improve based on your level of driving prowess (adaptive AI).
Once all the online challenges and leaderboards are up, it's only going to get better.
Additionally, to those that say this game has "rubberbanding" I can assure you that is not the case. Yes the AI may drive better/more aggressively if you are doing well, but I've finished some races on courses I know extremely well over 6-7 seconds in front of the second place car. They will not exceed the limits of the actual cars themselves, they will just improve based on your level of driving prowess (adaptive AI).
AI cars sticking to drive line through curve, AI pushes the player into the wall despite plenty of room and him being 3/4 of a car inside him
The person I quoted was right in this respect. The car in front has every right to do this in a race. There is no obligation for the driver in front to be courteous and allow lots of space so you can drive through (lol). It's a race, why would they simply open the door to another driver to take the place?
People who expect this in racing, don't watch car racing much.
NormandyVII
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Here's a toast to my first ever post on gaf!
Driveclub has been a breeze so far...till I reach the semi-pro trophy cup. The AI has no remorse for spinning you out of control at those tight corners.
Frustration level is at a high.
Anyways, i managed to create my club. For casual racers out there: RazgrizVI
Driveclub has been a breeze so far...till I reach the semi-pro trophy cup. The AI has no remorse for spinning you out of control at those tight corners.
Frustration level is at a high.
Anyways, i managed to create my club. For casual racers out there: RazgrizVI
What article?
iFootball
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Deadceptor
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Bought this on EU release and managed to get online for the first time just now! Got to the Club browser and then things went dark. It was fun for the 2 minutes it lasted...
The A.I. isnt perfect, but if the car in front of you has position, your supposed to back off. The only complaints i understand is when a car behind hits your car. It may be possible that the A.I. can't see behind them, only in front.
CraigerGamer
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Um, I think its working. Like fully working. I can now see multiplayer events. Leaderboards. Dunno about challenges. First times I've been able to see all this MP content.
Edit: still some hiccups. Server is trying to connect all players in the game lobby. It's progress but still unable to go MP racing. Soon I hope.
Edit: still some hiccups. Server is trying to connect all players in the game lobby. It's progress but still unable to go MP racing. Soon I hope.
To all of you talking about the AI being too aggressive or simply not noticing players on the track:
You need to watch some Touring Car Championship races:
http://youtu.be/AngJiGWJ75s
These guys are racing for positions and clearly couldn't give a sh* if someone else is on their line. If he's in a spot to push 'm out, push 'm out...
Since DRIVECLUB has a large British developer base, I can see the inspiration.
You need to watch some Touring Car Championship races:
http://youtu.be/AngJiGWJ75s
These guys are racing for positions and clearly couldn't give a sh* if someone else is on their line. If he's in a spot to push 'm out, push 'm out...
Since DRIVECLUB has a large British developer base, I can see the inspiration.
NullPointer
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That's been my take as well. The AI has absolutely no obligation to clear you a path, and when I have been hit in the rear its been from cars much faster than me that I was blocking.
Tempering and tweaking this stuff is always a good thing, but I haven't seen anything too bad about this AI except for the more limited rubber-banding. I think I still prefer Drivatars though as you can see the field spread out across the course over, say, a ten lap run, whereas ten laps of DC AI is just the one lap played normally, again and again. They don't spread out over time - maintaining their near perfect pack arrangement throughout.
It's not a demo. Demos don't have full unlimited functionality.
And no.
Edit: Double post. Figured somebody else would have posted by the time I did this. Sorry.
Insane Metal
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If you're riding side by side, and the guy is inside you...you don't try to drive through him to hit the apex. Same with passing on the outside, you shouldn't get run off the road due to the AI drive-line shifting outside.
Might could have tapped the brake here, look at all the cars though, they even weave on the same drive line.
AI cars sticking to drive line through curve, AI pushes the player into the wall despite plenty of room and him being 3/4 of a car inside him.
You can see the car is aiming for the Apex Here...ignores the player who tries to dodge.
Off the start line AI ignores him, you also see the AI ahead just pushing each other right off the road.
While there are some instances where this is what should be done, what about when you're just riding along side by side, and it completely ignores you?
This doesn't get any clearer that the player doesn't matter to the AI....twice.
All of those looks to me like almost everyone I know playing a racing game... lol
Always-honest
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Yeah i had that two days ago. Then it went offline again after a mp match. So i did get to play a match. A messy match at that
.I came in 4th.
Hit circle (for a second or so) when you're in or before a turn. Then you just play with both triggers and your thubstick. I do think it takes a lot of practice. Sometmes it doesn't seem to registrate but that's probably because i'm doing something wrong. A tutorial would be nice i guess.
Probably got told to stop tweeting because news outlets are writing articles based on loose interpretations of his tweets.
In particular I think the 'considering compensation' thing reported today might have ruffled a few feathers.
A few pointers:
- Going for manual shifting helps. Force the gearbox into a gear that's a bit to low for the corner resulting in high revs.
- Flick the car into the corner with the e-brake from a wide angle, the very farthest side of the corner, allowing you to use as much trackspace as possible.
- Be aggressive on the throttle at the start then ease on the throttle through the corner, adding throttle as you lose the drift. The controller has analog shoulder buttons, make use of em and play with your throttle.
travisbickle
Member
My game was online most of the night.
But seriously you don't want it connected. I was completing time trials minding my own but when I ended the event instead of my fastest lap being the target it was some douche with a douchey avatar who was like 2/10ths of a second faster! So I had to go back to beat him/her as they were the target. Took a few more laps best their time, but when I went to quit it was some other person with a target like 5/10ths of a second faster!!
But seriously you don't want it connected. I was completing time trials minding my own but when I ended the event instead of my fastest lap being the target it was some douche with a douchey avatar who was like 2/10ths of a second faster! So I had to go back to beat him/her as they were the target. Took a few more laps best their time, but when I went to quit it was some other person with a target like 5/10ths of a second faster!!
Now I agree with this. If they're going to knock me around...I'm going to give it back, lol.
GluedOnBeard
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As many have said so funny to see people complaining about the racing line when the AI is driving correctly and the human player is all over the place thinking he can do what he likes and the AI will just sit idly by.
That's also a shame about Rushy not being allowed to update anymore, the news sites in question should remove the article and issue an apology for basing it on tweets.
That's also a shame about Rushy not being allowed to update anymore, the news sites in question should remove the article and issue an apology for basing it on tweets.
-Amon-
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If you're riding side by side, and the guy is inside you...you don't try to drive through him to hit the apex. Same with passing on the outside, you shouldn't get run off the road due to the AI drive-line shifting outside.
Might could have tapped the brake here, look at all the cars though, they even weave on the same drive line.
AI cars sticking to drive line through curve, AI pushes the player into the wall despite plenty of room and him being 3/4 of a car inside him.
You can see the car is aiming for the Apex Here...ignores the player who tries to dodge.
Off the start line AI ignores him, you also see the AI ahead just pushing each other right off the road.
While there are some instances where this is what should be done, what about when you're just riding along side by side, and it completely ignores you?
This doesn't get any clearer that the player doesn't matter to the AI....twice.
What should the AI do to please you ? Move over ? Stop to make you pass ?
Until you're side by side you have to expect the ai to choose the line regardless of your position.
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