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Xiao Hu

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I always loved classic Nintendo properties. Metroid was kind of the exception, but Zero Mission for the GBA was pretty fine. As a matter of fact, I have a great fondness for everything Nintendo on the GBA. I loved that thing almost as much as I hated not having time for it due to work. Advanced Wars was seriously addictive.

On unrelated news, my girlfriend will be purchasing her first apartment soon and I can't wait to help her with the renovation.

Have the real estate prices stabilized in Spain? How much will she be paying?
 
Metroid II on the OG Gameboy is the best because my nostalgia is better than yours. And it was the only console-like thing I had newer than the Vectrex.


Happy Facebook-spam day, Tence!
 

Halcyon

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There is nothing in your shitty SNES game that is better than this. I don't care what you mouth breathing heathens say.



Don't pretend you can't hear the music in your brain.
 
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There is nothing in your shitty SNES game that is better than this. I don't care what you mouth breathing heathens say.



Don't pretend you can't hear the music in your brain.

I love Super Metroid and I still agree. Prime is by far the best Metroid game.
 

Funky Papa

FUNK-Y-PPA-4
Have the real estate prices stabilized in Spain? How much will she be paying?
They've stabilized around the fifth level or hell or so for the past three years. The issue here is that there's an overabundance of second hand stock and new empty homes that few people can afford due to the sharp decline in salaries and the banks refusal to extend new mortgages unless you can pay 40 to 60% of the place upfront.

Her place should go for about €20 000 or so. It's a tiny amount of money, but it's also a diminutive apartment (55 square meters/590 square feet or so) built 60 years ago in the outskirts of the city. Our idea is to turn it into a rental unit until the whole area is demolished or she's able to flip it, which will probably take a while given the market. It will also allow us to experiment with building materials and budgeting since I'll probably end building a new home at my parent's hometown in a few years.
 

Xiao Hu

Member
They've stabilized around the fifth level or hell or so for the past three years. The issue here is that there's an overabundance of second hand stock and new empty homes that few people can afford due to the sharp decline in salaries and the banks refusal to extend new mortgages unless you can pay 40 to 60% of the place upfront.

Her place should go for about €20 000 or so. It's a tiny amount of money, but it's also a diminutive apartment (55 square meters/590 square feet or so) built 60 years ago in the outskirts of the city. Our idea is to turn it into a rental unit until the whole area is demolished or she's able to flip it, which will probably take a while given the market.

I wish you both the best in your endeavor. I also wish I had the money to invest in real estate down in the European south though as student it would be hard for me to get a reasonable sized credit. Plus I would need folks to keep an eye on my property while I'm far away studying. Let's see if the market is still attractive when I've graduated but I'm not sure if my career lays in real estate
would rather go into finance or trade
 

Halcyon

Member
Well

I mean apart from it just being a better game overall

Phendrana Drifts is a pretty cool location though

I've actually never played Super Metroid. I was too busy with my Sega Genesis playing awesome stuff like Toejam & Earl :/

I just say these things out of spite for my parents always buying me the wrong console.
 

Xiao Hu

Member
I've actually never played Super Metroid. I was too busy with my Sega Genesis playing awesome stuff like Toejam & Earl :/

I just say these things out of spite for my parents always buying me the wrong console.

Fuck you. This is not a joke to tell! #poorasfuck
 

Funky Papa

FUNK-Y-PPA-4
I would honestly kill to get orders to Spain

There's a base in Rota (I think) and god why the fuck did I end up here

Rota's base is huge and probably one of the better destinations for American servicemen and servicewomen. It helps that American salaries are inflated as fuck compared to the perpetually lame AF financial situation of Southern Spain.

Alas, it's also located in Puerto de Santa María, also known as the smelly armpit of Spain. But that's my personal bias speaking.
 

Jobbs

Banned
Metroid Prime is the best Metroid.

I love Super Metroid and I still agree. Prime is by far the best Metroid game.

Ugh. I'm going to explain why you're wrong and explain how Prime poisoned the entire franchise in the most succinct and eloquent way I can. I got out of fucking bed to do this, so read it.

FPS is fundamentally flawed for a game with an emphasis on exploration and platforming (I dislike it for any game, but that's another matter). You can have a 3D Metroid, but to keep the series' DNA intact it needed to have been presented in the third person.

The great irony of FPS is that it completely detaches the player from the character and de-immerses you in her plight, and removes any sense of proportionality to the experience both in pathos and raw mechanics because we don't see our character in relation to the environment (Briefly seeing Samus in third person when switching to morphball was such a cosmic tease as to induce madness). This might be fine for 90's gimmickry to wow people with emerging technologies -- "Wow, it's my point of view as I shoot nazis!" -- But for a more depthful experience, for a character driven experience in particular, we simply can't forge the necessary connection when experiencing the world literally through their eyes. This is the great farce of FPS. (I won't even go into the mechanical clumsiness that arises from the inability for peripheral vision to be represented on a flat television surface)

We also have the problem where many classic staples of Metroid gameplay specifically require third person perspective -- I'm not just talking about the screw attack, but environmental puzzles and platforming demand a better sense of spatiality than FPS provides. This is borne out by Metroid Prime's own designers, who had no choice but to clumsily wedge in awkward switches to third person perspective with fixed, highly controlled cameras whenever they wanted to do a morphball segment. These segments weren't a design victory but an admission by the designers of the game's flaws. Controlling, overdesigned shit like this works against the core of Metroid and shatters the entire fantasy in a single stroke. When you have a game that has a real sense of mystique and isolation, where the onus is on the player alone to navigate its depths -- you simply can't have the designers step in and jerk you around or show you things whenever they decide it's necessary. And if the premise of the gameplay means that it's necessary, then re-examine the fucking premise.

Prime represented a pointless changing of the formula and shifting of priorities that no one wanted or asked for, and after the third dull, unengaging, boring game failed to build an audience, it left the series without an identity. I submit that Prime is responsible for the destruction of the franchise. Other M is a bi-product of Prime's systematic removal of the series' identity over a generation.

If they wanted to make a FPS exploration game with terrible lock on combat and clumsy, vague platforming they should have just done so and called it something else.
 

marrec

Banned
Man Jobbs you must be PISSED that Armature is working on Bloodstained.

:p

Interesting analysis, I only ever played the 3rd Prime but it didn't really strike me as anything magnificent especially compared to Super Metroid.

Also, I've never really thought about it, but you're 100% correct about FPS games detaching you from character development and empathy.
 

Funky Papa

FUNK-Y-PPA-4
I wish you both the best in your endeavor. I also wish I had the money to invest in real estate down in the European south though as student it would be hard for me to get a reasonable sized credit. Plus I would need folks to keep an eye on my property while I'm far away studying. Let's see if the market is still attractive when I've graduated but I'm not sure if my career lays in real estate
would rather go into finance or trade

Real estate market is absolute shit right now and it's going to be like that until the economy recovers. We are just lucky she has a stable job and I got into my apartment while I still had a high paying gig (I'm still burdened with a mortgage, but I thankfully left most of that bitch far behind me).

Also, we
are both complete suckers for the Property Brothers and
love to get our hands dirty by building our own shit (we just built a pallet divan and I designed/planned the renovation of my own apartment) so it will be lots of fun for us. Specially since our renovation budget is going to be ridiculously low. Anything over €5 000 will be considered a complete and utter disaster.
 

Granadier

Is currently on Stage 1: Denial regarding the service game future
Prime was just another of the many examples of a game series changing for the sake of following the "trends" rather than sticking to what made it good. Same thing happened with Star Fox Adventures, Halo 4, and more recently Doom.
 

Funky Papa

FUNK-Y-PPA-4
Prime was just another of the many examples of a game series changing for the sake of following the "trends" rather than sticking to what made it good. Same thing happened with Star Fox Adventures and Halo 4.

Talking about needless gender changes, Syndicate still makes me angry.

Which is kind of silly, since I kinda liked what I saw and I still have to play it anyway.

I just wish we could get a proper and true isometric Syndicate one day instead of more Syndicate-inspired games.
 

Xiao Hu

Member
Real estate market is absolute shit right now and it's going to be like that until the economy recovers. We are just lucky she has a stable job and I got into my apartment while I still had a high paying gig (I'm still burdened with a mortgage, but I thankfully left most of that bitch far behind me).

Also, we
are both complete suckers for the Property Brothers and
love to get our hands dirty by building our own shit (we just built a pallet divan and I designed/planned the renovation of my own apartment) so it will be lots of fun for us. Specially since our renovation budget is going to be ridiculously low. Anything over €5 000 will be considered a complete and utter disaster.

We have a saying in German: 'Not macht erfinderisch. Blitzkrieg' = Necessity is the mother of invention. Blitzkrieg
 

Jobbs

Banned
Man Jobbs you must be PISSED that Armature is working on Bloodstained.

:p

Interesting analysis, I only ever played the 3rd Prime but it didn't really strike me as anything magnificent especially compared to Super Metroid.

Also, I've never really thought about it, but you're 100% correct about FPS games detaching you from character development and empathy.

I don't regard Castlevania with any great reverence, so I don't particularly care that Bloodstained looks like a joke. It's a genre exercise to capitalize on notoriety and it looks utterly soulless. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm sure glad I didn't back it.
 

Halcyon

Member
Ugh. I'm going to explain why you're wrong and explain how Prime poisoned the entire franchise in the most succinct and eloquent way I can. I got out of fucking bed to do this, so read it.

FPS is fundamentally flawed for a game with an emphasis on exploration and platforming (I dislike it for any game, but that's another matter). You can have a 3D Metroid, but to keep the series' DNA intact it needed to have been presented in the third person.

The great irony of FPS is that it completely detaches the player from the character and de-immerses you in her plight, and removes any sense of proportionality to the experience both in pathos and raw mechanics because we don't see our character in relation to the environment (Briefly seeing Samus in third person when switching to morphball was such a cosmic tease as to induce madness). This might be fine for 90's gimmickry to wow people with emerging technologies -- "Wow, it's my point of view as I shoot nazis!" -- But for a more depthful experience, for a character driven experience in particular, we simply can't forge the necessary connection when experiencing the world literally through their eyes. This is the great farce of FPS. (I won't even go into the mechanical clumsiness that arises from the inability for peripheral vision to be represented on a flat television surface)

We also have the problem where many classic staples of Metroid gameplay specifically require third person perspective -- I'm not just talking about the screw attack, but environmental puzzles and platforming demand a better sense of spatiality than FPS provides. This is borne out by Metroid Prime's own designers, who had no choice but to clumsily wedge in awkward switches to third person perspective with fixed, highly controlled cameras whenever they wanted to do a morphball segment. These segments weren't a design victory but an admission by the designers of the game's flaws. Controlling, overdesigned shit like this works against the core of Metroid and shatters the entire fantasy in a single stroke. When you have a game that has a real sense of mystique and isolation, where the onus is on the player alone to navigate its depths -- you simply can't have the designers step in and jerk you around or show you things whenever they decide it's necessary. And if the premise of the gameplay means that it's necessary, then re-examine the fucking premise.

Prime represented a pointless changing of the formula and shifting of priorities that no one wanted or asked for, and after the third dull, unengaging, boring game failed to build an audience, it left the series without an identity. I submit that Prime is responsible for the destruction of the franchise. Other M is a bi-product of Prime's systematic removal of the series' identity over a generation.

If they wanted to make a FPS exploration game with terrible lock on combat and clumsy, vague platforming they should have just done so and called it something else.


Nothing you have said has swayed me from my opinion and I disagree with everything you've said about Prime. I want to state that the only Metroid game I have played is Metroid Prime. I tried 2 and I didn't like it. My argument is hence invalid in regard to arguing its quality over Super Metroid. I still think Metroid Prime is the best Metroid game and is in my top 10 games of all time as it is close to a perfect game in my opinion. #dontcare #opinionsarelikeassholes #myopinioniscurrentlybleedingbecauseididn'tgetenoughfiberthisweekend
 

marrec

Banned
I don't regard Castlevania with any great reverence, so I don't particularly care that Bloodstained looks like a joke. It's a genre exercise to capitalize on notoriety and it looks utterly soulless. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm sure glad I didn't back it.

I backed it.








:(
 

Granadier

Is currently on Stage 1: Denial regarding the service game future
Does anyone actually think the next console tick will handle 4K at an enjoyable detail level? Gaming side seems to feel Sony will just magically handle that.
Maybe they will release Minecraft in 4K so they can claim they game at that res.
 

Funky Papa

FUNK-Y-PPA-4
Does anyone actually think the next console tick will handle 4K at an enjoyable detail level? Gaming side seems to feel Sony will just magically handle that.
Maybe they will release Minecraft in 4K so they can claim they game at that res.

They will.

At very least Sony is absolutely poised to do so as they have an interest in pushing UHDTVs and its own 4K download services, just like they pushed the DVD with the PS2 and the Blu-ray with the PS3. Microsoft will probably follow that route for similar reasons. Nintendo will keep releasing pokeymans.
 

Misha

Banned
Also, I've never really thought about it, but you're 100% correct about FPS games detaching you from character development and empathy.

Its a big issue that YOU are the character so you can't simply accept things that are meant for the character to know or feel. They have to give you those experiences and make you the character so that emotionally you become who the character should be. I have two game ideas that are absolutely dependent on being third person. Both require the player to build up a sense of self and for that sense of self to be challenged by the game. One would have a preexisting character so it would definitely deal with the challenge of teaching the player to be that person and the other allows the player to decide who they are on their own only for the game to fight against that.
One thing I find interesting is how first person perspective works in books. Sometimes it feels like you're hearing a story told as it happens and other times it feels like you are the character reading out your experiences. I can't think of a game that has succeeded with the second yet

I don't agree that he's 100% right though, more like 85%. I think its a failure of developers to address the idiosyncrasies of the genre rather than an actual problem with the genre.


also 2d platformers are balls
 

Granadier

Is currently on Stage 1: Denial regarding the service game future
They will.

At very least Sony is absolutely poised to do so as they have an interest in pushing UHDTVs and its own 4K download services, just like they pushed the DVD with the PS2 and the Blu-ray with the PS3. Microsoft will probably follow that route for similar reasons. Nintendo will keep releasing pokeymans.

I have no doubt that they want to because it will directly increase their other markets. I'm just extremely doubtful that they will accomplish it with the technology available right now.
Based on the current power available (970's can't even handle 4K well) I just can't see a way that they would bring an affordable console into the market that would push 4K.
1440p is a much more believable goal. They should call it the PS1440
 

zeemumu

Member
Prime was just another of the many examples of a game series changing for the sake of following the "trends" rather than sticking to what made it good. Same thing happened with Star Fox Adventures, Halo 4, and more recently Doom.

I don't think that's true. Nintendo continued to put out 2D Metroid games after Prime. I doubt that they would have done so if they thought that the times required them to change. Also, Nintendo isn't exactly known for changing with the times. Their games mostly follow the same basic guidelines with minor changes. It's typically not a gamble when you pick up the next game in one of their main series and have to wonder if it's good or not. The quality is fairly consistent.
 

Misha

Banned
#ballshaming



Testicles are kind of a burden tbh. Their sensitivity is a double edged sword.

a flaw in evolution imo. why not just make more room for them in the body? if you ever get someone who says "but how could we be random things made without the hand of a god?" respond with "explain balls"
 

Jobbs

Banned
a flaw in evolution imo. why not just make more room for them in the body? if you ever get someone who says "but how could we be random things made without the hand of a god?" respond with "explain balls"

It's not a flaw. The balls are outside the body to keep the sperm at a slightly lower temperature to allow it to remain dormant for a longer time.
 

Misha

Banned
Ask your local priest about it

I'm still avoiding him from the time i forgot to make him a game for his bible school (three summers in a row)

But then you also wouldn't have to worry about someone kicking you in the balls and causing you crippling inhuman pain.

Overall, I think being able to get them sucked outweighs the other possibility tho.

soccerball in the balls. fortunately its legal to score that way at least
 

Jobbs

Banned
why not have the sperm able to survive for a longer time naturally?

Why not fly? Why not have teleportation? Why not have superspeed?

Many of our bodies' internal systems are the result of compromise. If you follow the "well, why doesn't.." stuff to its logical conclusion, we'd all be every X-Man combined. Steel skin, limitless regeneration, superspeed, laser eyes, everything!

And you just gave me an idea for a new X-Men character... The mutant whose sperm keeps forever at any temperature. Ugh, I don't want to get out of bed again... Hope I remember this.
 

Halcyon

Member
Why not fly? Why not have teleportation? Why not have superspeed?

Many of our bodies' internal systems are the result of compromise. If you follow the "well, why doesn't.." stuff to its logical conclusion, we'd all be every X-Man combined. Steel skin, limitless regeneration, superspeed, laser eyes, everything!

And you just gave me an idea for a new X-Men character... The mutant whose sperm keeps forever at any temperature. Ugh, I don't want to get out of bed again... Hope I remember this.

I was about to make this exact argument.
 

Misha

Banned
Why not fly? Why not have teleportation? Why not have superspeed?

Many of our bodies' internal systems are the result of compromise. If you follow the "well, why doesn't.." stuff to its logical conclusion, we'd all be every X-Man combined. Steel skin, limitless regeneration, superspeed, laser eyes, everything!

And you just gave me an idea for a new X-Men character... The mutant whose sperm keeps forever at any temperature. Ugh, I don't want to get out of bed again... Hope I remember this.

exactly. evolution has failed us
 
At least our brains enable us to do almost anyhing by artificial means.

Also, I hear there is some sort of Kung Fu move where you can suck your nuts up inside you to block a kick to the nuts.
 
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