HoodWinked
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this all according to plan, fox wants the same terrible deal sony got with spyder mens.
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FANT4STIC 4OUR |OT| Fantastic 4/10
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Joel Was Right
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The last act must have been re-written dozens of times. It stands out like a sore thumb, breaking a sense of consistency that the film had. One review claimed that they purposefully left the film open to enable sequels. I disagree. They rushed the film to get closure.
SchrodingerC
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So I just saw it. Didn't go in with huge expectations and so wasn't exactly disappointed, but also nothing that really stood out as great either. Sort of felt similar after I had watched Jumper, which everybody told me was terrible, so I was completely prepared for shallow characterization and a not so great plot. But the overriding feeling after finishing Jumper was that is seemed to be building up to something and then suddenly stop. Which is pretty much what I felt when walking out of the cinema after watching this.
The casting actually worked for me. Them going so young had a lot of comic book folks skeptical, but I don't particularly care about comic book faithfulness if they want to go for something else that is compelling and are able to pull it off. The main four actors are actually pretty strong and in an alternate universe with a better script they probably could've been able to carry a movie that is pretty decent.
Instead the movie structurally seems to be interested in character based story telling, but then gives a baffling small amount of character development and character interactions to these actors. Grimm and Reed probably get most, mostly in that prologue section, which may be where the movie is strongest. Johnny and Sue get a tiny exchange when Johnny
and a couple sentences when they're discussing Johnny
. Johnny doesn't really have a meaningful conversation with Reed in the movie. And Reed and Sue have that
and that one talk they have about
.
Ben as played by Jamie Bell gets almost no chance to interact with anyone. Even with Reed, there is a short exchange
between Ben and Reed but otherwise nothing meaningful and meaty to showcase their characters and their relationship. Even though ostensibly it should be super fertile ground for character based drama, with deep friendship, resentment and guilt all thrown in the mix.
It's just... ok, you want to make a movie that focuses on the characters rather than the wizz-bang of big action set pieces in a comicbook movie, but then hardly let the characters interact. Or even the moments the character should've gotten some solo moments of drama are sort of... just not there. Like the moment that Ben
, which is actually kind of an arresting image. But then there is a time jump and you don't really see him getting to terms with the horror of what he is. Same with the other three; you don't really see Johnny, Reed or Sue deal with the emotional trauma and subsequent getting control of their powers. Where that seems like it should've been the heart of the movie, instead there is a time jump and a montage section.
And then there is Doom. His origin actually didn't bother me that much, though 'smart, resentful, after the girl he can't have' sort of felt like lazy storytelling. His motivations are kind of muddle though, and the final plan is just completely incoherent. And his final visual design is really, really poor. When that first image leaked, I sort of assumed everyone was overreacting, because surely the final version would have more (possibly CG) work done to it. And I suppose he does have those green energy veins in the final version, but it still looks really poorly designed.
The casting actually worked for me. Them going so young had a lot of comic book folks skeptical, but I don't particularly care about comic book faithfulness if they want to go for something else that is compelling and are able to pull it off. The main four actors are actually pretty strong and in an alternate universe with a better script they probably could've been able to carry a movie that is pretty decent.
Instead the movie structurally seems to be interested in character based story telling, but then gives a baffling small amount of character development and character interactions to these actors. Grimm and Reed probably get most, mostly in that prologue section, which may be where the movie is strongest. Johnny and Sue get a tiny exchange when Johnny
starts working in the lab
being deployed by the military
little talk in the library
her being adopted
Ben as played by Jamie Bell gets almost no chance to interact with anyone. Even with Reed, there is a short exchange
in the plane after Reed's capture
It's just... ok, you want to make a movie that focuses on the characters rather than the wizz-bang of big action set pieces in a comicbook movie, but then hardly let the characters interact. Or even the moments the character should've gotten some solo moments of drama are sort of... just not there. Like the moment that Ben
begs Reed to stay and is just deeply distressed
And then there is Doom. His origin actually didn't bother me that much, though 'smart, resentful, after the girl he can't have' sort of felt like lazy storytelling. His motivations are kind of muddle though, and the final plan is just completely incoherent. And his final visual design is really, really poor. When that first image leaked, I sort of assumed everyone was overreacting, because surely the final version would have more (possibly CG) work done to it. And I suppose he does have those green energy veins in the final version, but it still looks really poorly designed.
Shared custody? I doubt Marvel will do something like that for Fantastic Four. They're going to want the rights back full stop.
ElBoxyBrown
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You know you fucked up when MF DOOM is more faithful to the character then yours.
Sibersk Esto
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One shame about no ff/xmen crossover
The world shall never know that doom is down with the swirl
The world shall never know that doom is down with the swirl
Mix Master
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Fassbenders Magneto could swag walk circles around this Budget Doom
One shame about no ff/xmen crossover
The world shall never know that doom is down with the swirl
enigmatic_alex44
Whenever a game uses "middleware," I expect mediocrity. Just see how poor TLOU looks.
Sibersk Esto
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Just needs a little photoshop and it would be perfect.
I love those weird moments in Marvel Comics where the characters interact with the media created of them. Even back in the Lee days most of the heroes acknowledged that they had an ongoing comic series.
Well damn
Joel Was Right
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You know you fucked up when MF DOOM is more faithful to the character then yours.
What do you mean? What should they have done differently?
So in collider video review, Campea, according to a rumor, said that even though the movie got green-lighted, fox took out 3 sets piece in order to lower the budget.
https://youtu.be/5uGOyIhPLe4?t=468
https://youtu.be/5uGOyIhPLe4?t=468
convenient to throw the blame on fox
Bobby Roberts
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Jesus
PhoncipleBone
Banned
So he is taking the Joss Whedon approach then? Blame others for your own issues? (X-Men, Alien Regurgitation)
Simply Sarah
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Uh, wow. That's firebombing the bridges.
ultracal31
You don't get to bring friends.
Sibersk Esto
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SCORCHED EARTH
George Oscar Bluth II
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Lord of Castamere
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Are we sure he isn't Phil Fish in disguise?
Just coming out. All I have to say is, I didn't hate is as I did Amazing Spider-Man 2. It's not very good still.
It's devoid of any sort of action or pace. Is basically one big origin story that doesn't end, then tops it with an action sequence that makes no sense.
The pieces of the film's dialog which is being mentioned on Twitter sounds far worse in print than in actuality, yet still dumb if you ask me.
One thing I did like? The incident when they get their powers. It looks like some kind of horror porn as I would expect it to be.
It's devoid of any sort of action or pace. Is basically one big origin story that doesn't end, then tops it with an action sequence that makes no sense.
The pieces of the film's dialog which is being mentioned on Twitter sounds far worse in print than in actuality, yet still dumb if you ask me.
One thing I did like? The incident when they get their powers. It looks like some kind of horror porn as I would expect it to be.
Fuck-damn.
That Star Wars pain will probably ache forever. Burn all the bridges you want.
Wooooooooow. Not even Adam Sandler pulls shit like this. Get real Trank
Weird. I just lost some respect for him I didn't even know I had.
Gordon Shumway
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His look alone, man..you have to know that. Then again..
Ain't that some shit..wow.
lmao, hasn't this guy learned by now how fucking Twitter works?
Gordon Shumway
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Thanks for the review.
Sibersk Esto
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There's just something I can't explain that irks me whenever a creator shifts the blame
Brianimaniac
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If you think the screenwriter has any degree of control over how a movie like Alien Resurrection turns out, you know so little about how these things are made that your argument is barely even worth acknowledging, let alone validating with a counter-argument.
Bobby Roberts
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C'mon. Whedon's script for Resurrection wasn't much better than the film that was made from it. At all. Jeunet didn't like the guy, and fucked with his story, but I don't know that he really made it worse. If he'd faithfully filmed what Whedon had written, it'd still be a subpar film.
He wrote a bad Alien movie. It was a great Firefly rough draft, though. I'm glad he took a lot of the better ideas from his bad script and made something worthwhile out of it.
Jesus. Again?
This guy is a documentary waiting to happen. The Troy Duffy shit is gonna stick to him.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
"A year ago I had a fantastic version of this. And it would've recieved great reviews. Youll probably never see it. Thats reality though."
George Oscar Bluth II
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Are you sure he deleted his account? I just clicked on the tweet and it still works.
Edit: I mean tweet.
Edit: I mean tweet.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Here is an image of the tweet
I do not believe it.
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
un33dab@dpu$$y
Here is an image of the tweet
He's got a Suikoden 2 image on there, almost feel like going to see this movie now.
……forgetit
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Well.....that was shit
His Twitter is still there, he just deleted the tweet.
Gordon Shumway
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PhoncipleBone
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A shit script is a shit script. If Whedon had any balls he would have owned up to that instead of throwing blame. At least William Goldman was man enough to admit his Dreamcatcher script was awful.
Thank you.
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