Ohh...I do hope so.
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Ohh...I do hope so.
You really shouldn't. None of the character relationships in this movie work.
Ben and Reed come close, but just barely. You're giving it too much credit.
Pai Pai Master
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And at the expense of Ben's relationship with every other character, apparently. The least they could have done was have a cohesive relationship between the four of them, collectively.
Lil'DigiOp
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Even if Marvel got them back... its poison. There is no brand faith in F4, Also F4 is kinda corny.... Don't really see the appeal although having Reed Richards interact with Tony Stark is worth the plot development.
Yeah, Marvel doesn't need em. Especially after they murdered Silver Surfer.....
The odds of even having a Silver Surfer movie.... then its shit
Yeah, Marvel doesn't need em. Especially after they murdered Silver Surfer.....
The odds of even having a Silver Surfer movie.... then its shit
The worst part about this is that it seems to do nothing to build the character or expand Ben Grimm's personality in any way. Ben Grimm in the comics is equal parts ever lovin' and intense self loathing. Fleshing this out as Ben's resignation to being a monster like his family, like he had always tried to run from, could have been an incredible character building moment.
Instead we got a rock-man with no pants.
Mavel has done more with less, but even if they don't use the FF right away as a team it would open up the possibility of telling some bigger and better known/liked stories:
Triumph and Torment as a Dr Strange movie (and establish the magic side of Dr Doom)
Introduce Annihilus and the Annihilation Wave (an entire phase for the cosmic movies)
Doomwar with Black Panther
Council of Reeds can help set up a multiverse for the point where they are going to need to start re-booting/re-casting
The return of the FF should (probably?) completely free up Kang
and after Reed is established
Illuminati (-Xavier) -> Galactus destroying the Skrull homeworld -> Secret Invasion (these stories combined could make up an entire phase)
Doom alone would be worth is as they are going to need another mid-high tier villain post Loki who audiences can love seeing in multiple movies in a phase.
Pai Pai Master
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They need Annihilus, Surfer and Galactus if they want to make a proper Annihilation movie.
And Kang would make an excellent villain for an Avengers flick.
Retrocore9
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I'm a big Fantastic Four fan and watched this tonight.
I really enjoyed it. The characters were younger in this version but spot on. Finally a good portrayal of Sue Storm! Ben Grim was great, though lacking the New York bruiser attitude of the comics and the 2005 version. Reed was finally the genius he deserved to be (hard to tell in the older versions) and Johnny Storm was good. To be honest Chris Evans was the best Johnny Storm, you can't top him.
The first hour is pretty spot on and I loved the origin. But then
I think if your a hardcore fan you'll enjoy it. I'm really curious what this other version is from Trank and I hope that a workprint leaks out that shows us this version. There's a few deleted scenes in the trailers and honestly I enjoyed the movie enough that I'd be happy checking out the alternate version.
I really enjoyed it. The characters were younger in this version but spot on. Finally a good portrayal of Sue Storm! Ben Grim was great, though lacking the New York bruiser attitude of the comics and the 2005 version. Reed was finally the genius he deserved to be (hard to tell in the older versions) and Johnny Storm was good. To be honest Chris Evans was the best Johnny Storm, you can't top him.
The first hour is pretty spot on and I loved the origin. But then
the last half hour is just so short with the team going up against Doom. It needed to be another 30 min at least. It felt very rushed
I think if your a hardcore fan you'll enjoy it. I'm really curious what this other version is from Trank and I hope that a workprint leaks out that shows us this version. There's a few deleted scenes in the trailers and honestly I enjoyed the movie enough that I'd be happy checking out the alternate version.
hodayathink
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I mean, it's not just Marvel now. Sony actually put a Fox stinger in one of the Spider-Man movies (in exchange for them letting Webb out of a contract to direct ASM), so it's basically everyone at this point (except occasionally Fox).
If Marvel did get them back, there's no room for them on their schedule until at least 2020, at which point a reboot could work if they did it well. With that being said, I seriously doubt that's the first thing they'd do with them. As everyone says, the biggest benefit Marvel would get from the FF license is the villains. Galactus as a cosmic level villain (maybe a GOTG Vol. 3), Doom as an earth Bound one, and then various other rogues to play around with. I could see a FF movie as a middle of Phase 4/beginning of Phase 5 movie, to use a character like Reed to round out the new list of heroes to lead the new set of Avengers.
roflwaffles
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I thought the Silver Surfer himself in the movie was fine.
Marvel doesn't need to make a F4 movie, but to have them as side characters against Doom as a primary multi-movie antagonist would be great.
Marvel doesn't need to make a F4 movie, but to have them as side characters against Doom as a primary multi-movie antagonist would be great.
Or Marvel tells Fox to kick sand and give Fantastic Four AND X-men back to where Marvel will do the films and Fox will do the TV shows while they both work together on having cohesive actors for the characters in both.
Too bad that won't happen, because the Spider Man deal was best for both parties there. Same could be for Fox.
roflwaffles
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hahahahhahaa
I just finished it.
wow
I just finished it.
wow
They could honestly do a whole Doctor Doom movie. He has such a rich history & a great story that I strongly believe could lend itself to a great movie.
Fox isn't giving up any kind of control over the X-Men. And I'm not sad because Fox is actually upping their X-Men game. The Fantastic Four on the other hand needs to go back.
roflwaffles
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I'd be game for a Doctor Doom movie, in the right hands it would be great but i hope it wouldn't have the happy go-lucky MCU tone.
X-Men needs to stay with Fox - they're doing quite well with it and this means more superhero movies in a shorter period of time. Plus, having X-Men and Avengers in the same universe just makes all the Avengers look like racist dickwads like AVX.
Bobby Roberts
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Christ there's like five threads about this movie on the first page of OT right now. This one, the spoiler thread, the first reviews thread, the Trank tweet thread, and now a (ugh) "Bomba" thread.
That's more than Age of Ultron had.
The "bomba" thread doesn't even have any fuckin numbers in it. Just estimates.
That's more than Age of Ultron had.
The "bomba" thread doesn't even have any fuckin numbers in it. Just estimates.
Zeus Molecules
illegal immigrants are stealing our air
The problem with the Fox films is they miss the meat of what makes the FF great. Doom is a genius whose Ego isn't his downfall he gets beat by Reed because Reed rises to the occasion because has to defeat Doom to protect his family. None of the Fox films have realized that. Its a family vs a Guy they shouldn't be able to beat or Its a family vs the unknown which is beyond their ability to handle but they do.
Right now if Fox sells FF back to Marvel I hope they cast Mads Mikkelsen as Doom (because once he puts the mask on his age wont matter) and just do what he's been doing on Hannibal and then Rami Malek as Reed and tell him to pull a detached Mr Robot performance at the beginning to film to show later how having people Reed considers a family makes him more than a genius it makes him a hero. Those are almost always the best FF stories there Reed doing the impossible because he loves his family even though he's a usually this detached super genius.
The beauty of succesful programming is that people care more about what will or could be, than what actually is.
Popular movie.
PhoncipleBone
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Countdown to the inevitable "RUMOR: Marvel trying to buy back FF rights from Fox. (ComicBookMovie)"
Red Mage
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"There is no Dana, only Zuul. "
So moving forward, FOX has a few options on what they should do with the Fantastic Four rights:
A. Sell to Disney, pretty simple deal overall. They get some cash for a (now) fairly worthless movie IP and get to do their X-Men TV show.
B. Hold the rights to piss off Marvel until they naturally revert after however many years they have left. Won't make much money this way but they get to stick it the House of Mouse.
C. Reboot it. Again.
D. Do a "shared custody" sort of deal like Sony has with Marvel. I doubt Marvel will go for something like this since Fantastic Four isn't anywhere near as big as Spider-Man and the two studios don't exactly have a great working relationship.
E. Try to salvage what remains. Maybe a crossover with X-Men and hope that brand can build up the F4 for a more profitable sequel with a new director and creative team. Get Singer or Vaughn on board to help out.
A. Sell to Disney, pretty simple deal overall. They get some cash for a (now) fairly worthless movie IP and get to do their X-Men TV show.
B. Hold the rights to piss off Marvel until they naturally revert after however many years they have left. Won't make much money this way but they get to stick it the House of Mouse.
C. Reboot it. Again.
D. Do a "shared custody" sort of deal like Sony has with Marvel. I doubt Marvel will go for something like this since Fantastic Four isn't anywhere near as big as Spider-Man and the two studios don't exactly have a great working relationship.
E. Try to salvage what remains. Maybe a crossover with X-Men and hope that brand can build up the F4 for a more profitable sequel with a new director and creative team. Get Singer or Vaughn on board to help out.
Bobby Roberts
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Goddammit.
And you're giving people a lot of credit by suggesting they'll put "RUMOR" in the title, much less all-caps it.
Probably burp up another "BOMBA" again, more likely.
googleplex
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I just got back from seeing it and I'd agree.
First half of the movie was good, Great even. But it's like it totally lost its focus the second half. The weird thing is the best part about the movie was the one thing everyone was giving it shit for before it even came out. The casting.
The actors did a great job. Its just too bad they weren't given more to work with.
It was still better then Thor. Both of them.
FiddyShadeJ
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Just saw one on my Facebook feed lol.
Breh, check option A.
Saw it in a theater with maybe 10 people in it. Everyone sat through the credits and there were some boos when the lights came on with nothing happening.
Awful movie. Lousy dialog and characters that were awful. The only one I liked early on was Doom, up until
Awful movie. Lousy dialog and characters that were awful. The only one I liked early on was Doom, up until
he started popping heads with his miraculous 'does everything' super power. And how did Sue get powers anyway? By being close to it? So there's some powered-up janitors running around too?
First thing that came to mind with that line.
Oops, my mistake.
Choppasmith
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My sister was telling me just now that a co-worker saw it the other day and that the post credit scene was the film patting itself on the back for having 500 people working on their film. Can anyone else confirm this?
Dufase19089
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I gotta say there was a lot of good Invisible Woman cosplay at the Fantastic 4 showing.
Callibretto
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the IP worth nothing for Fox, but I'm sure Fox knows that it's actually worth something for Marvel. I doubt Fox will want to sell the IP back to Marvel for cheap... seems like everything depends on how much Fox want that X-Men tv series..
ScreenSplitter
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You mean there were a lot of people with bad wigs wearing vague, non-descript black jumpsuits?
PhoncipleBone
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How about I change the probable source to Heroic Hollywood or whatever the hell that other site spewing bs is lately?
Zeus Molecules
illegal immigrants are stealing our air
If fox is smart they'll ask for the TV rights and for Marvel to allow the making toys attached to the movies and show. This all really depends on Fox but they have a golden opportunity to turn this flop into a ceasefire that will help their X-Men product a lot which is already making them money. If they do this right they could potentially add all the money they're going to lose on FF in future sales of their X-Men/Mutant movies and shows.
Wait... isn't this the exact same climax as the 2005 one?
Dufase19089
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I'd rather not...
Marvel is full enough adding in a F4 pushes back a Dr Strange (similar to Black Panther)... I would have rather Fox nailed it because if they lose F4, Fox is going to stretch that X-Men franchise thiiiiiiiiiinnnn just like Sony tried with Spider-Man.
We wouldn't see a Marvel-made F4 until Phase 4 anyway. More so when Fox just recently tarnished the F4. Plus there's a lot you can do with the X-Men, unlike Spider-Man. Hell, the X-Men did a lot of their own shit back in the 80's & 90's.
Callibretto
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I just saw the 2005 version yesterday, Doom schemes and take down the team one by one at first until the team regroup and do their final combination attack to stop Doom.
ScreenSplitter
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My guess is we probably won't see Captain America/Iron Man/Thor movies in Phase 4. They need something to fill that void.
Something to consider though; an Ant-Man sequel might actually be less of a cinematic risk than a Fantastic Four adaptation. Go back in time ten years and tell somebody that.
Fox has badly damaged the IP. Even if Marvel got the rights back tomorrow, they wouldn't make an FF movie for years.
Phase 4 could be incredible with Spider-Man and Fantastic 4 headlining the phase. Having Parker interact with Johnny and Reed would be so awesome on the big screen, you have to imagine that Spidey will be the big MCU hero by that point with Cap,Thor and Stark all gone and F4 would be the ideal team to back him up. Oh and Black Panther working alongside Reed would glorious.
Zeus Molecules
illegal immigrants are stealing our air
Yep. If any movie we're to get pushed back it would likely be Inhuman's and that just because if Marvel had FF back the FF would be a great cameo or just direct lead into a Inhuman's movie (or vice versa) considering the history those two IP's share in the marvel universe.
excelsiorlef
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Fox is doing great with the X-Verse. Keep that shit separate. Works so much better
Dude the X-Verse is like a 1000 times richer than the Spider-Verse. There's so much they could do with the mutants.
NOooooo...not my Inhumans!!
Marvel has 1 empty slot after Inhumans, just put something there.
Lol, already?
I gotta say there was a lot of good Invisible Woman cosplay at the Fantastic 4 showing.
Fox Mulder
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They need the characters even if they don't make another FF movie for another 10 years. Marvel has Disney lawyers and money, if they were ever able to get their licenses back under their control, it's now.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNUrwtNH_aE&feature=youtu.be&t=831
Jon Schnepp gets kind of angry/sad at the situation. Apparently, fox did some crazy things behind the set. Like firing the vfx guy (apparently was an oscar winner) without telling the director or himself, resulting in that man quitting the industry all together.
Jon Schnepp gets kind of angry/sad at the situation. Apparently, fox did some crazy things behind the set. Like firing the vfx guy (apparently was an oscar winner) without telling the director or himself, resulting in that man quitting the industry all together.
TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared
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Honestly, the leap ahead a year (in the film is weird) as is the leap ahead 7 years after Reed meets Ben. If we'd had more time to see Reed and Ben become friends, then the whole Ben giving reed his pocket knife and his little monologue might have been impactful. As it was, its like, 10 minutes into the film, ben has had about 5 lines of dialogue and we've seen Reed and Ben interacting like good mates once, so it doesn't work.
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