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[Sean]

Just read this movie had a $122 million budget (apparently before all the reshoots). What the fuck? Where did all that money go?

Feels like 90% of the film took place in that lab set and the other bits were filmed cheaply on a green screen. There was like one short action scene and the special effects weren't anything special. I'm stunned such a low-budget looking movie cost this much to make.

 

[roflwaffles]

I forwarded this to a friend of mine who saw F4 last night, he said this Trump review was far more entertaining than the actual movie!

He thinks F4 is worse than Green Lantern. In his words GL was more entertaining and more fun, which I find a horrific statement to make. I've not seen F4 and I probably won't until it hits RedBox.

I agree with your friend on all accounts.

 

[WillyFive]

What's the F4 film from the 90's like anyway? Worse than this?

Anti-thesis to this one.

Storyline is a more traditional Fantastic Four, great musical score, special effects are cheap, characters are good except for Johnny, and presented in a very dramatic way, unlike the comedic 2000 movies or the "grounded" 2015 version.

It's ok, boring in parts.

 

[ultracal31]

What's the F4 film from the 90's like anyway? Worse than this?

It has a pretty interesting Doom

 

[Alienous]

Anti-thesis to this one.

Storyline is a more traditional Fantastic Four, great musical score, special effects are cheap, characters are good except for Johnny, and presented in a very dramatic way, unlike the comedic 2000 movies or the "grounded" 2015 version.

It's ok, boring in parts.

Anti-thesis, you say?

 

[mreddie]

Wow C- Cinemascore is unbelievably bad.

No fucking way it's worse than Gallows.

 

[Scientist Supreme!]

Apparently, Fox are giving out surveys about what to do with the FF franchise
https://mobile.twitter.com/ThoseNerds/status/630086357881368576

 

[George Oscar Bluth II]

Apparently, Fox are giving out surveys about what to do with the FF franchise
https://mobile.twitter.com/ThoseNerds/status/630086357881368576

Jesus.

 

[TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared]

No fucking way it's worse than Gallows.

Eh. Gallows was less ambitious and cheaper. So make of that what you will.

 

[Ōkami]

It has a pretty interesting Doom

Still the best Doom in all FF movies.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

How's dude gonna tweet that and not actually get a picture of the damn survey?

How you gonna put a survey in the hands of first weekend attendees and not expect a flood of "sell this shit back to Marvel" as a response/

 

[Toa TAK]

Make a sequel.

I want a sequel.

 

[Permanently A]

How's dude gonna tweet that and not actually get a picture of the damn survey?

How you gonna put a survey in the hands of first weekend attendees and not expect a flood of "sell this shit back to Marvel" as a response/

agreed on all points

but at this point fantastic four might be too toxic for marvel to touch

 

[……forgetit]

Make a sequel.

I want a sequel.

I highly doubt you'll get a sequal.

 

[TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared]

agreed on all points

but at this point fantastic four might be too toxic for marvel to touch

Eh. Not if they're just incorporated into the MCU smoothly. If they can get GOTG and Ant-Man right, I'm confident they could do the fantastic four justice.

 

[Callibretto]

agreed on all points

but at this point fantastic four might be too toxic for marvel to touch

They can just change the title to Future Foundation or something.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

but at this point fantastic four might be too toxic for marvel to touch

Not only that, but they've got shit planned out to 2020, right? Even IF they sell FF back to Marvel (or trade it for the right to make an X-Men show (or an X-Force show) where the fuck do you fit it. You'd have to wait until after all the current Avengers shit is dead before even going in that direction, and then you've got a weird version of the Marvel Universe where the Fanstastic Four are latecomers to a world where every hero who ever existed banded together to whoop Thanos' ass.

The only way I see it working is if you wait til like, 2021, make the FF part of the Inhumans story, and move from there, and that means you'd have to be pretty dedicated to making post Infinity-War Marvel into something appreciably cosmic and weird, as opposed to letting the cosmic & weird be an outlier.

Then again, with Guardians being what it is, they might be safer in moving that direction than not.

 

[More_Badass]

Make a sequel.

I want a sequel.

Given the grounded nature, Galactus will be the code name for an expanding gravity anomaly that threatens to "devour" the planet

 

[TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared]

Not only that, but they've got shit planned out to 2020, right? Even IF they sell FF back to Marvel (or trade it for the right to make an X-Men show (or an X-Force show) where the fuck do you fit it. You'd have to wait until after all the current Avengers shit is dead before even going in that direction, and then you've got a weird version of the Marvel Universe where the Fanstastic Four are latecomers to a world where every hero who ever existed banded together to whoop Thanos' ass.

Sure if they can put back Black Panther, they can squeeze FF in somewhere.

 

[TheSeks]

So, how many took you up on your shilling generosity?

This I wanna know.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Sure if they can put back Black Panther, they can squeeze FF in somewhere.

But that's another problem: People weren't necessarily happy about T'Challa getting short shrifted when Spidey came back. Pushing stuff like Inhumans, Captain Marvel, and Black Panther back even further for the Fantastic Four, who haven't been exactly popular for a very long time now, would probably spark a crisis of faith in the Marvel faithful. The Church of Excelsior's foundation would wobble a little bit.

 

[Toa TAK]

I highly doubt you'll get a sequal.

I think a better realized vision of this world with a clearer focus on the characters and their relationship with one another would be... fantastic. They try to do that in the beginning of the film before they jump a year ahead, but it's so poorly done. Some things are set up and never properly resolved or just don't matter.

The whole "darker and gritter" (lol) tone of the film being mixed in with the sci-fi element was cool for me, even if it's just superficially "Ultimate Fantastic Four".

Someone out there could've done this right, or it could've been done right to begin with. But shit happens I guess.

Given the grounded nature, Galactus will be the code name for an expanding gravity anomaly that threatens to "devour" the planet

I like the tax mitigation idea better.

 

[Alienous]

Not only that, but they've got shit planned out to 2020, right? Even IF they sell FF back to Marvel (or trade it for the right to make an X-Men show (or an X-Force show) where the fuck do you fit it. You'd have to wait until after all the current Avengers shit is dead before even going in that direction, and then you've got a weird version of the Marvel Universe where the Fanstastic Four are latecomers to a world where every hero who ever existed banded together to whoop Thanos' ass.

The only way I see it working is if you wait til like, 2021, make the FF part of the Inhumans story, and move from there, and that means you'd have to be pretty dedicated to making post Infinity-War Marvel into something appreciably cosmic and weird, as opposed to letting the cosmic & weird be an outlier.

Then again, with Guardians being what it is, they might be safer in moving that direction than not.

They could make it work, especially with Doctor Doom. He could be the major MCU threat going forward after Infinity War.

If they were to do it, I'm sure it would be with the newcomers (like Spider-Man, Doctor Strange, Black Panter, Captain Marvel) forming the major players of the universe, and I could see the FF becoming a new centre-piece for the MCU, in Iron Man's stead.

 

[TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared]

But that's another problem: People weren't necessarily happy about T'Challa getting short shrifted when Spidey came back. Pushing stuff like Inhumans, Captain Marvel, and Black Panther back even further for the Fantastic Four, who haven't been exactly popular for a very long time now, would probably spark a crisis of faith in the Marvel faithful. The Church of Excelsior's foundation would wobble a little bit.

I'm pretty sure Marvel could figure it out. That is to say, given I don't think the MCU has a single bad film/tv/property (not yet anyway) I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.

 

[richiek]

I'm pretty sure Marvel could figure it out. That is to say, given I don't think the MCU has a single bad film/tv/property (not yet anyway) I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.

I can see Marvel adding some FF related cosmic characters in GOTG vol 2 or Captain Marvel, and wait until making a proper FF film in Phase 4 after Infinity War.

 

[Neoxon]

I can see Marvel adding some FF related cosmic characters in GOTG vol 2 or Captain Marvel, and wait until making a proper FF film in Phase 4 after Infinity War.

I see that great minds think alike.

 

[illmatic22]

I can see Marvel adding some FF related cosmic characters in GOTG vol 2 or Captain Marvel, and wait until making a proper FF film in Phase 4 after Infinity War.

I really wouldn't mind seeing Galactus in the MCU.

 

[StalkerUKCG]

Not only that, but they've got shit planned out to 2020, right? Even IF they sell FF back to Marvel (or trade it for the right to make an X-Men show (or an X-Force show) where the fuck do you fit it. You'd have to wait until after all the current Avengers shit is dead before even going in that direction, and then you've got a weird version of the Marvel Universe where the Fanstastic Four are latecomers to a world where every hero who ever existed banded together to whoop Thanos' ass.

The only way I see it working is if you wait til like, 2021, make the FF part of the Inhumans story, and move from there, and that means you'd have to be pretty dedicated to making post Infinity-War Marvel into something appreciably cosmic and weird, as opposed to letting the cosmic & weird be an outlier.

Then again, with Guardians being what it is, they might be safer in moving that direction than not.

Here's what you do if you're Marvel

• Get the rights back in 2016.
• Cast them in 2017
• Debut them in Captain Marvel (have a little part of the movie where she saves the FF4 ship which at the time no one knows about after the blast and cut to the 4/5 of them knocked out inside)
• Have them show up again in Infinity War part 2 unknown to any of the heroes in costume and doing their thing to aid in the fight. (very few lines)
• Give them a movie in 2020. Center it around doom, No need for origin stuff. Doom get's his plan foiled but makes it away safely which allows him to become a threat for Avengers arc 2 movie 1, Then Silver Surfer in FF4-2 and Galatus in Avengers arc 2 movie 1 and 2

 

[AmaterasuOni]

No fucking way it's worse than Gallows.

I think Gallows was 2/5. It had few moments. Fantastic Four has zero moments.

 

[E the Shaggy]

Apparently, Fox are giving out surveys about what to do with the FF franchise
https://mobile.twitter.com/ThoseNerds/status/630086357881368576

Wish I could hear some of the conversations Fox has with the public on these:

Fox: So, how do you feel we should handle the franchise in the future?

Public: I mean, I think it's just time for you guys to move on. Sell the rights back to Marvel and try to recoup some of the money you sank into this most recent disaster. Don't think of it as a loss, think of it as allowing for more allocation on what you do best, the X-franchise.

Fox: So what you're saying is....you want it even darker! What if we were to make Victor Von Doom into a lobster-like creature??

 

[Nokterian]

Apparently, Fox are giving out surveys about what to do with the FF franchise
https://mobile.twitter.com/ThoseNerds/status/630086357881368576

I do hope people say give it back to marvel. They can't fuck it up more anyway than this.

 

[Discotheque]

If they freaking reboot this yet again in a few years they should just make them an already established group of people (doom included) and just allude to their origin with a throwaway line here and there (no heavy exposition tho, fuck that. Everybody's so lazy with this shit now)

I think audiences can accept that. And if any idiots get lost whatever, the action scenes will make them forget any confusion they had

 

[GAMEPROFF]

Apparently, Fox are giving out surveys about what to do with the FF franchise
https://mobile.twitter.com/ThoseNerds/status/630086357881368576

Jesus H. Christ.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

you've got a weird version of the Marvel Universe where the Fanstastic Four are latecomers to a world where every hero who ever existed banded together to whoop Thanos' ass.

Like if Superman started his Superman career a decade after Batman was already active

 

[E the Shaggy]

On top of everything else, man it rubs me the wrong way that

Spoiler

the Thing has "43 confirmed kills"

 

[Macadinho]

To sit through Fantastic Four is to realize that even a awful movie is a kind of miracle. That's my take watching that garbage truck on fire

 

[JonnyKong]

It has a pretty interesting Doom

Wow, that's more dialogue and screen time than Doom gets in the entire new film!

He certainly seems like a more interesting character in this one scene alone, and the relationship between him and Reed is a lot deeper. I like the stretching arm to save him at the end, that's a nice twist on a classic good guy helping bad guy in the end scene. Not sure about the Freddy fingers though.

 

[ultracal31]

Wow, that's more dialogue and screen time than Doom gets in the entire new film!

He certainly seems like a more interesting character in this one scene alone, and the relationship between him and Reed is a lot deeper. I like the stretching arm to save him at the end, that's a nice twist on a classic good guy helping bad guy in the end scene. Not sure about the Freddy fingers though.

Yea Doom's actor in the 1994 movie is actually trying which I appreciate. His hand acting is amazing

 

[Anth0ny]

If Marvel gets the rights back:

1. Drop a reference to F4 in GOTG2. Even if it's just a post credits scene.
2. Dr. Doom appears in the post credits scene of Infinity War Part 2.
3. Fantastic Four is the first film of phase 4.

After this shit show, the Fantastic Four franchise probably needs to cool down anyways. Marvel having to wait until 2020 to release a new film is probably a blessing at this point.

 

[hydruxo]

Saw the movie last night, most of it at least, missed the first half an hour or so.

In all honesty? It was alright until Doom showed up, not good mind you but not bad either just serviceable, I honestly can't believe they how they could butchered him so much, Jesus.

It seems as if they had 20 minutes to come up with the last 20 minutes of the movie, that was sooooo bad.

While it was a bad movie it wasn't 9% on rotten tomatoes bad, its hate its a little overblown, its still not half as bad as Adam Sandler movies.

That quote of Kate Mara in the OP actually makes me really sad the actors did a good job, hopefully this doesn't destroy their careers.

Also that 2017 sequel its probably not happening anymore.

Eh I think they'll all be fine honestly. They're all pretty good actors and they've got other films and shows lined up that look solid. Josh Trank on the other hand...

 

[Effect]

For those that have seen the film and saw the last two films with Chris Evans. Can you honestly say those films are worse then this film?

Everything I'm reading is making that impossible for me to believe. Campy as those films might be those are complete films based on what I remember watching and everything I'm reading about in regard to this latest film. I've heard a few people say this latest one was still better even though it seems to be garbage. So many of the complaints toward this latest film can't be leveled at the past films I believe. However the hate those last two films get (cloud Galactus and weird Doom aside) never made sense anyway.

 

[AquaticSquirrel]

Reposting from the other thread..

I just got back from the cinema having watched this.

From when I first heard about this film and it's production issues it immediately screamed that Fox just wanted to keep the rights from renewing and didn't care about the quality of the film.

Then when I heard all the issues and initial reviews I went in expecting a trainwreck.

Having watched it make no mistake, it is a pretty terrible adaptation of Fantastic Four and a bad "Fantastic Four film". However I was taken back by how good most of the acting is in the film and to be honest none of the ideas that seemed god awful when reading them out of context seem that bad when actually watching the film.

The first half has a slow deliberate pace with a slightly dark tone to it. I have to say it is well directed with some nice shots and it seems the people involved actually wanted to make something interesting. The CG is a little off throughout the film though.

I can see where Trank was coming from when he wanted to make a Cronenberg style body horror/sci fi adventure film. The first half is honestly pretty interesting and I would have been interested to see where Trank went with it.

But then the second half of the film happens....randomly rushed, worse CG, acting that falls much flatter than the first half and really half assed and rushed character arcs/motivations.

Tonally it REALLY jars with the first half of the film and the climax/climactic battle is meh at best. Doom is also pretty wasted/inconsistent with his abilities, the film doesn't even actually explain what those abilities are.

It's a pity that Fox kind of butchered this film because it seems Trank wanted to go somewhere interesting with it but Fox wanted a standard cookie cutter tentpole summer superhero flick.

Now I'm not saying the film would have been a masterpiece had Trank's version been unmolested, and just to reiterate as a Fantastic Four film it is a genuinely bad adaptation of the source material.

But just as an interesting sci fi film with a dark tone I see hints of something that could really work. I was genuinely entertained during the first half and thought the film was many times better than I first suspected (at least the first half anyway). I dare say the first half was actually pretty good.

What all this means in the grand scheme of things who knows, maybe if the internet wasn't so harsh on early info about this we could have gotten a decent film or maybe Trank's version by the end could have been even worse than the ending we did get.

My opinion on the final product is that it was ok, a serviceable film with a deliberately paced first half with potential that never really materializes and pretty anti climactic and tonally stunted second half. It wasn't terrible but certainly not setting the world on fire.

Probably a lot better than most people assume it is though and probably doesn't deserve to get a bad a rap as does at the moment. This all comes from someone with zero faith in the film during production from what I heard and wasn't expecting anything worthwhile.

 

[Joel Was Right]

The explosion when the teleporter brings Grimm,Johnny and Reed back hits her.

So I guess they were suggesting it was some sort of residual blowback.

No no no. It's "magic".

In all seriousness, s caption appears in the middle of the screen explaining what transpired. The movie then resumes.

 

[Mercury Fred]

Delighted that this cynically conceived, thrown-together mess is bombing so hard.

Also, here's a nice article about Kate Mara's terrible reshoots wig.

 

[SargerusBR]

It has a pretty interesting Doom

Why this look like a movie made in the 70's?

 

[Joel Was Right]

Reposting from the other thread..

Exactly the point I've been trying to make. But its quite obvious that some don't care regardless. If this is half as bad as this thread makes it out to be then Thor 2 should have been straight to DVD.

 

[Joel Was Right]

Delighted that this cynically conceived, thrown-together mess is bombing so hard.

Also, here's a nice article about Kate Mara's terrible reshoots wig.

The fact that there is an article dedicating to hyper ventilating about her hair is a perfect example of what I've been talking about.

 

[ultracal31]

Why this look like a movie made in the 70's?

Budget was only 1 million and was made in 1994

 

[Mercury Fred]

The fact that there is an article dedicating to hyper ventilating about her hair is a perfect example of what I've been talking about.

Hyperventilating?

It was a funny article about how the reshoots wig looks nothing like her real hair and it switches from scene to scene.

Honestly, it makes me want to see it; this could be the superhero Showgirls-- an instant camp classic with high re-watchability due to how bad it is.

 

[JonnyKong]

Surely the original two are already camp classics?

This is just an unmemorable snoozefest. I mean who the hell thinks making a superhero film with no exciting set pieces or action scenes was a good idea?