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[AquaticSquirrel]

Exactly the point I've been trying to make. But its quite obvious that some don't care regardless. If this is half as bad as this thread makes it out to be then Thor 2 should have been straight to DVD.

Well I hope people will actually make up their own minds instead of just going with the flow of whatever the popular opinion online is.

To be honest given all of the things I had heard I was expecting this film to be an absolute joke and probably would have laughed about someone going to see it. I think the want for the rights to go back to Marvel is just too strong with most people to give this a fair shot.

Not that I think it's a great film or anything, it certainly has it's flaws even the first half but I think it would have been interesting as a film in it's own right had it been allowed to breathe.

 

[Firemind]

My only complaint is: Why is Reed so unbelievably dumb? Forget director sacking, script rewrites, bad CG, wigs, where Reed got his power from, inconsistent Doom, rushed third act; why does Reed keep making these awful decisions no human being with an ounce of intellect would do? He is supposed to be one of the most brilliant minds in the Marvel universe. And I'm not talking about a few bad decisions here. I'm talking about at least a dozen. Goddamn. It boggles the mind.

 

[The Broken Ska Record]

My only complaint is: Why is Reed so unbelievably dumb? Forget director sacking, script rewrites, bad CG, wigs, where Reed got his power from, inconsistent Doom, rushed third act; why does Reed keep making these awful decisions no human being with an ounce of intellect would do? He is supposed to be one of the most brilliant minds in the Marvel universe. And I'm not talking about a few bad decisions here. I'm talking about at least a dozen. Goddamn. It boggles the mind.

That's part of Reed's character trait though. He doesn't make the best decisions.

 

[AquaticSquirrel]

My only complaint is: Why is Reed so unbelievably dumb? Forget director sacking, script rewrites, bad CG, wigs, where Reed got his power from, inconsistent Doom, rushed third act; why does Reed keep making these awful decisions no human being with an ounce of intellect would do? He is supposed to be one of the most brilliant minds in the Marvel universe. And I'm not talking about a few bad decisions here. I'm talking about at least a dozen. Goddamn. It boggles the mind.

Good point, the film makes it a point to talk about his intellect but outside of building the plot device he doesn't seem to do much to show you he is one of the greatest minds on the planet, in fact as you say he seems to do almost the opposite.

I think it boils down to the fact that as I mentioned earlier it's not a good FF film at all, certainly doesn't respect the source material. I think it's a stealth sci-fi film parading in FF clothing, rather than being a superhero film/summer action movie.

 

[unholyrevenger72]

My only complaint is: Why is Reed so unbelievably dumb? Forget director sacking, script rewrites, bad CG, wigs, where Reed got his power from, inconsistent Doom, rushed third act; why does Reed keep making these awful decisions no human being with an ounce of intellect would do? He is supposed to be one of the most brilliant minds in the Marvel universe. And I'm not talking about a few bad decisions here. I'm talking about at least a dozen. Goddamn. It boggles the mind.

Intelligence - 25
Wisdom - 9

 

[DarkFlow]

The fact that there is an article dedicating to hyper ventilating about her hair is a perfect example of what I've been talking about.

So you going to answer my question, or are you going to pretend you didn't see it.

 

[Mr. Pointy]

Double Toasted review of F4

They generally liked the first 30 minutes and there are some interesting ideas in there, but the last act completely destroys the movie.

Spoiler

4 Some Ol' Bullshits

 

[Syriel]

For those that have seen the film and saw the last two films with Chris Evans. Can you honestly say those films are worse then this film?

Everything I'm reading is making that impossible for me to believe. Campy as those films might be those are complete films based on what I remember watching and everything I'm reading about in regard to this latest film. I've heard a few people say this latest one was still better even though it seems to be garbage. So many of the complaints toward this latest film can't be leveled at the past films I believe. However the hate those last two films get (cloud Galactus and weird Doom aside) never made sense anyway.

The 2005 film is better than the 2015 film.

 

[Nakazato]

Double Toasted review of F4

They generally liked the first 30 minutes and there are some interesting ideas in there, but the last act completely destroys the movie.

Spoiler

4 Some Ol' Bullshits

Wow i knew spill.com died. didnt know the came back tho :O

 

[Neoxon]

Angry Joe just released his Fantastic Four review.

 

[Tobor]

Exactly the point I've been trying to make. But its quite obvious that some don't care regardless. If this is half as bad as this thread makes it out to be then Thor 2 should have been straight to DVD.

Thor 2 was enjoyable. It was fun, and while not a classic, it was a good time at the theater.

It had a 66% RT score with a 78% audience score. People liked that movie.

Nobody but you likes this FF movie.

 

[Neoxon]

Thor 2 was enjoyable. It was fun, and while not a classic, it was a good time at the theater.

It had a 66% RT score with a 78% audience score. People liked that movie.

Nobody but you likes this FF movie.

This. I'm not the biggest fan of Thor 2, & even I find it tolerable.

 

[Sanjuro]

Angry Joe just released his Fantastic Four review.

Gotta reach that demo!

 

[Mr. Pointy]

Thor 2 was fun, but definitely an uneven movie.

I still kind of want to see F4, but I get the feeling I won't even enjoy it on the level of something like Batman & Robin or Ghost Rider 2, which are insanely fun trash.

 

[Sanjuro]

Thor 2 was fun, but definitely an uneven movie.

I still kind of want to see F4, but I get the feeling I won't even enjoy it on the level of something like Batman & Robin or Ghost Rider 2, which are insanely fun trash.

There is nothing fun here. You just kind of feel bad for the film, because you see what could have been a decent adaptation just lost somewhere.

 

[Vinland]

This sounds like it will be the quintessential RiffTrax movie unless Trank somehow managed to screw that up too.

 

[Sanjuro]

This sounds like it will be the quintessential RiffTrax movie unless Trank somehow managed to screw that up too.

Nope. Rifftrax would work better on shit MCU movies over this.

 

[Slayven]

Double Toasted review of F4

They generally liked the first 30 minutes and there are some interesting ideas in there, but the last act completely destroys the movie.

Spoiler

4 Some Ol' Bullshits

Wow i knew spill.com died. didnt know the came back tho :O

Love them guys

 

[TrumanBurbank]

I hope FOX just keeps making shitty lower budget Fantastic Four movies every two years regardless of their success/failure. Just a giant F U to Marvel.

 

[Escape Goat]

I hope FOX just keeps making shitty lower budget Fantastic Four movies every two years regardless of their success/failure. Just a giant F U to Marvel.

Why would that make you happy?

 

[Neoxon]

I hope FOX just keeps making shitty lower budget Fantastic Four movies every two years regardless of their success/failure. Just a giant F U to Marvel.

Why would you want this?

 

[TrumanBurbank]

^I know it's not going to happen guys, just a funny thought in my head. Peace.

 

[Zeus Molecules]

I hope FOX just keeps making shitty lower budget Fantastic Four movies every two years regardless of their success/failure. Just a giant F U to Marvel.

Maybe then FOX could go completely broke that way and Marvel could get the Xmen and FF back too?

 

[Mengy]

I hope FOX just keeps making shitty lower budget Fantastic Four movies every two years regardless of their success/failure. Just a giant F U to Marvel.

Is this a bannable thing to say? Because it sounds like a bannable thing to say, lol!

Maybe then FOX could go completely broke that way and Marvel could get the Xmen and FF back too?

Ah, so it's a long term strategy...

 

[Alienous]

I hope FOX just keeps making shitty lower budget Fantastic Four movies every two years regardless of their success/failure. Just a giant F U to Marvel.

They allowed their Daredevil rights to expire after that dud of a film, so don't get your hopes up.

 

[Fury451]

They allowed their Daredevil rights to expire after that dud of a film, so don't get your hopes up.

Weren't they attempting to get a project together though? I thought the story was they just ran out of time and the rights lapsed back to Marvel, but they had every intention to relaunch Daredevil to retain. Then Marvel dropped that amazing show...

I kind of think that resolution of the F4 rights and whether a deal is possible is going to come down to how bad the blood between Marvel and Fox really is. It seems pretty bad right now, especially because Fox is now eyeing X-Men tv options, which comes across as being jealous of that Marvel Studios domination.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Weren't they attempting to get a project together though? I thought the story was they just ran out of time

Yeah, Carnahan almost made it. His pitch/sizzle reel hit the internet shortly thereafter.

 

[Neoxon]

Supposedly Fox is considering swapping out Fant4stic 2 for Deadpool 2.

 

[George Oscar Bluth II]

Supposedly Fox is considering swapping out Fant4stic 2 for Deadpool 2.

'Daily Superhero'

Yeeeaaah... I don't know if I buy that. I mean, it's a very likely possibility, but this seems like guesswork.

 

[Einchy]

There's no way they make a Fantastic Four 2 with how badly this one turned out.

 

[Neoxon]

'Daily Superhero'

Yeeeaaah... I don't know if I buy that. I mean, it's a very likely possibility, but this seems like guesswork.

Agreed. Plausible guesswork, sure, but I'll need a more reputable source before I get my hopes up.

But yeah, Fant4stic 2 isn't happening at this rate.

 

[George Oscar Bluth II]

There's no way they make a Fantastic Four 2 with how badly this one turned out.

That's true, but they could either remove the date or lodge an X film in there.

 

[Neoxon]

That's true, but they could either remove the date or lodge an X film in there.

Fox could easily put X-Force on that date.

 

[TheGreatDirector]

So is it extremely likely that Fox won't try a X-men/Fantastic Four crossover now?

 

[Neoxon]

So is it extremely likely that Fox won't try a X-men/Fantastic Four crossover now?

It's already been confirmed that they won't.

 

[Fury451]

Yeah, Carnahan almost made it. His pitch/sizzle reel hit the internet shortly thereafter.

No kidding.

That could've been somewhat interesting, although I'm pretty mixed on him as a filmmaker.

So is it extremely likely that Fox won't try a X-men/Fantastic Four crossover now?

Marvel would have to sign off on that I believe- I doubt the original contracts would allow such a crossover without Marvel approval.

And I highly doubt they'd give it...

 

[richiek]

So is it extremely likely that Fox won't try a X-men/Fantastic Four crossover now?

And infect their cash cow with the toxic stench of FF? Hell no.

 

[Jigorath]

The Fantastic Four is such a worthless brand at this point. If and when Marvel gets the rights back I wonder if they'll just use Doom and Galactus for Phase 4 and not bother with the actual team. We may be waiting a very long time for an actual Fantastic Four movie done right.

 

[Kevinroc]

The Fantastic Four is such a worthless brand at this point. If and when Marvel gets the rights back I wonder if they'll just use Doom and Galactus for Phase 4 and not bother with the actual team. We may be waiting a very long time for an actual Fantastic Four movie done right.

I think Marvel would get more use out of Kang (who is tied up in the FF rights) than just about everyone else attached to the franchise for the foreseeable future.

 

[Enthus]

The Fantastic Four is such a worthless brand at this point. If and when Marvel gets the rights back I wonder if they'll just use Doom and Galactus for Phase 4 and not bother with the actual team. We may be waiting a very long time for an actual Fantastic Four movie done right.

They can use Doom, Galactus, Silver Surfer, and Skrull for modern movies and make a campy 60s Fantastic Four movie in Phase 5 or so.

 

[Jarmel]

The Fantastic Four is such a worthless brand at this point. If and when Marvel gets the rights back I wonder if they'll just use Doom and Galactus for Phase 4 and not bother with the actual team. We may be waiting a very long time for an actual Fantastic Four movie done right.

They might do a really low budget version or TV series. Then after awhile do a big budget movie.

 

[dabig2]

I think Marvel would get more use out of Kang (who is tied up in the FF rights) than just about everyone else attached to the franchise for the foreseeable future.

So much gold locked up with Fox. Doom, Galactus, surfer and other heralds, super skrulls and skrulls in general along with other alien races, annihulus..like damn, we all know Fox ain't about any of dat life. Please release them from cinematic prison, fox. You don't give a shit about any of the mentioned and won't for probably ever. What a waste.

 

[Enthus]

So much gold locked up with Fox. Doom, Galactus, surfer and other heralds, super skrulls and skrulls in general along with other alien races, annihulus..like damn, we all know Fox ain't about any of dat life. Please release them from cinematic prison, fox. You don't give a shit about any of the mentioned and won't for probably ever. What a waste.

This is one thing I'm very excited about for the DCCU. You never have to worry about whether or not a character could appear.

 

[Jarmel]

So much gold locked up with Fox. Doom, Galactus, surfer and other heralds, super skrulls and skrulls in general along with other alien races, annihulus..like damn, we all know Fox ain't about any of dat life. Please release them from cinematic prison, fox. You don't give a shit about any of the mentioned and won't for probably ever. What a waste.

The big get for the F4 license isn't even the team but the villains.

 

[black_13]

Shame it's getting awful reviews. I was looking forward to it after hearing Josh Trank talk about on Kevin Smith's podcast. I really liked Chronicle too.

Guessing either
a)Marvel did what Marvel seems to do more now and intervene and try and make it more appealing
b)or Trank is a hack

 

[Darknight]

Can someone explain to me why they had to do "reshoots" of scenes? Like were the fist shot scenes bad and then some time later, the director or whoever changed his mind and reshot some scenes?

And just read about Mara's blonde fake wig. Why did the reshoots have her with a wig? Was her natural hair not good enough? Why didnt someone point out it would clash with the older shot scenes?

 

[Dysun]

Saw it out of morbid curiosity. Been fascinated by the movie for some time

What a steaming pile of shit. It really is worse than Green Lantern

 

[kunonabi]

Shame it's getting awful reviews. I was looking forward to it after hearing Josh Trank talk about on Kevin Smith's podcast. I really liked Chronicle too.

Guessing either
a)Marvel did what Marvel seems to do more now and intervene and try and make it more appealing
b)or Trank is a hack

Marvel had nothing to do with this. It's a Fox film.

 

[ryan299]

Can someone explain to me why they had to do "reshoots" of scenes? Like were the fist shot scenes bad and then some time later, the director or whoever changed his mind and reshot some scenes?

And just read about Mara's blonde fake wig. Why did the reshoots have her with a wig? Was her natural hair not good enough? Why didnt someone point out it would clash with the older shot scenes?

Most of the time reshoots are done bc of errors or they didn't get a good enough take. For this movie reshoots were done to fix the whole thing. It's rumored to have been up to 40 pages of reshoots which is insane.

She wore a wig bc most likely her hair was different for a new film, so they slapped a wig on her and didn't bother to try to match it up with the already shot scenes.

 

[Neoxon]

Shame it's getting awful reviews. I was looking forward to it after hearing Josh Trank talk about on Kevin Smith's podcast. I really liked Chronicle too.

Guessing either
a)Marvel did what Marvel seems to do more now and intervene and try and make it more appealing
b)or Trank is a hack

Marvel had nothing to do with this movie. It was 100% Fox.

Can someone explain to me why they had to do "reshoots" of scenes? Like were the fist shot scenes bad and then some time later, the director or whoever changed his mind and reshot some scenes?

And just read about Mara's blonde fake wig. Why did the reshoots have her with a wig? Was her natural hair not good enough? Why didnt someone point out it would clash with the older shot scenes?

Kate Mara got her hair cut for another film, so she had to get a wig for the reshoots.