Yeah it is. The Mask was based on a comic and he gets super powers. Sounds like a super hero movie to me.
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
FANT4STIC 4OUR |OT| Fantastic 4/10
- Thread starter Toa TAK
- Start date
- Status
StopMakingSense
Member
It probably didn't have a Hemi.
I just got a free screening of Fant4stic via a friend who was a theater employee (don't worry, I didn't pay a dime, the theater was completely empty). I can safely say that yes, it was that bad. Though I can agree with the notion that the film really falls apart at the one hour mark. The first hour could have been a tolerable movie, but it isn't a Fantastic Four movie.
More_Badass
Member
Yes! F4 with the exploring tone and visuals of Interstellar would be amazing
Feels like i'm looking at Ask A Ninja.
I thought this was going to be much worse, but it was interesting until they decided to end the movie in a CGI battle because how else can you finish a blockbuster movie?
I was nevertheless hyped when I saw Doom throwing out Molecular Shield. 20 years-old MSH flashback right there.
Where was Plasma Beam, tho? Foot Dive?
I was nevertheless hyped when I saw Doom throwing out Molecular Shield. 20 years-old MSH flashback right there.
Where was Plasma Beam, tho? Foot Dive?
Dr Doom is Marvel's Darth Vader... when will the boneheads making these films realize this? If they had gotten Doom right, that would have been half of the battle. Did Stan Lee decline a cameo in this latest FF film? If Stan was in it, it wasn't memorable.
A gritty/gloomy Fantastic 4 doesnt fit, DC's Doom Patrol would have been a better match for a gritty/horrific team of outcasts.
A gritty/gloomy Fantastic 4 doesnt fit, DC's Doom Patrol would have been a better match for a gritty/horrific team of outcasts.
There was no Stan Lee cameo. But I do agree on what you said about Doctor Doom. He's literally one of Marvel's greatest villains. I don't get why Fox is so afraid of being comic-accurate with Doom when he's an amazing villain in the comics.
How bad was the Superman doc? Was eager to see that.
The Mask was a comic. But Son of the Mask I think was original in terms of concept. Unless there was a comic where The Mask had a child with the same powers.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Really amateurish. It's involving despite that, though. And there's good information in there, it's just not presented very well.
unholyrevenger72
Banned
because Comic Doom is socially irrelevant. Think about it. What MCU villain is faithful to the comic version that isn't socially relevant?
brandonh83
Banned
Well I saw it yesterday. I thought the first half or so was actually good, but then it sorta stops having a story and gets pretty dark. I liked bits of that, but the whole movie felt like the first act of a bigger thing. I thought the actors were very good as well as Trank's direction but it all just kind of crumbles in the second half. I appreciated the darkness and some of the unexpected violence but it was kind of a mess overall.
I guess I didn't hate it, but it's definitely problematic. I do feel like if Trank got his way that it might've actually turned out to be pretty good, but it's hard to ignore the problems. Oh well.
I guess I didn't hate it, but it's definitely problematic. I do feel like if Trank got his way that it might've actually turned out to be pretty good, but it's hard to ignore the problems. Oh well.
I rewatched the 2005 F4 and it's boggling how much they tried to adapt certain aspects of the comics while completely ignoring things like the finer aspects of Doom. It's not a great movie, mainly due to lazy writing, cheap effects, and the most boring superhero score ever made, but it tried really hard to get the 4 right while barely paying lip service to Doom's character.
I can see how an executive might look at those older films and think they tried to properly adapt the source material and that failing to be a major hit warranted a completely new direction.
Plasticine
Member
It has a lot of good info, but wasn't very well done. It doesn't take a ton of lighting know how to make a talking head interview look professional, but Schnepp couldn't be bothered. The interviews are largely poorly lit and staged in an awkward talk show fashion. There was also a lot of fat that could be cut. For instance, Jon Peters took a phone call that interrupted his interview, but the footage (including the call itself) made the final cut. Schnepp also included a ton of awful footage featuring a guy who was supposed to be Nic Cage as Superman. I honestly hope the Kickstarter money wasn't wasted on that junk, but I think it was.
Astral Dog
Member
So whats worse this or Pixels?
brandonh83
Banned
No way is this worse than Pixels.
R_thanatos
Member
This movie is bad.
It's not the worse movie of this year ..but it's a bad movie
Everything past the 50minute mark makes no sense.
The 2 fights in this movie are PATHETIC.
The dialog in the second part sucks
1/10
i can't say more without becoming angry
Everything was fine and then past the 35 minute mark , it's an endless serie of stupid events that become more and more stupid. And then when they come back from planet 0, everything falls appart.
The special effects sucks
Why would this movie be in 3D when there is barely anything to make in 3D. this things would have been a 4/10scify movie if it hadn't the F4 name on it.
It's not the worse movie of this year ..but it's a bad movie
Everything past the 50minute mark makes no sense.
The 2 fights in this movie are PATHETIC.
The dialog in the second part sucks
1/10
i can't say more without becoming angry
Everything was fine and then past the 35 minute mark , it's an endless serie of stupid events that become more and more stupid. And then when they come back from planet 0, everything falls appart.
The special effects sucks
Why would this movie be in 3D when there is barely anything to make in 3D. this things would have been a 4/10scify movie if it hadn't the F4 name on it.
An insane power-hungry dictator that rules his country with an iron-fist, believes he's deserve of god-like power and praise, and is eager to crush any that stand in his way?
... How is that not socially relevant when we still have countries that operate with dictators just as nuts and power-mad as Doom is in real life?
Pixels actually has more exciting and frequent action scenes than Fant4stic at least.
Ragnarsson
Member
I watched it earlier this week. I thought it couldn't be as bad as everyone was saying, I really did. Yet, it somehow was. It's such an incompetent movie in every possible way. For starters, the plot. In this movie, things spontaneously happen. Questions such as "how" or "why" are apparently irrelevant. Characters are just there to tell the audience things that are happening, and none of them have character arcs or proper motivation. Also, where is the middle act in this? Fantastic Four has a long - and boring - introduction... and then it ends. And oh my, what an ending that was. So out-of-place, even for this movie's standards.
I see some people praising Trank's direction, but I don't understand why. It felt like he told every actor to deliver those lines in the blandest, most robotic way possible. If you have an awful script in your hands, you might as well have some fun with it. But no. This movie takes itself seriously at all times. It feels like it's ashamed of itself. It truly does.
Everything else is just as bad. The CGI is awful, the soundtrack is bland, the sets are as boring as the rest of the movie (well, mostly the set... I imagine most of the scene headings go something like this: "INT. LABORATORY - DAY/NIGHT/IT DOESN'T MATTER THERE ARE NO WINDOWS.").
I could go on and on, but you get the point. It's an awful movie. Worst of all: it doesn't allow us to have fun with it's awfulness. It's just depressingly bad.
Dr. Doom appears (by the way, where did he get that cloak?), he starts killing people and then he wants to destroy the planet. They give him some motivation, but it's so weak. And what are his powers, exactly? What does Dr. Doom do? It doesn't matter, because the power of friendship beats him in a matter of minutes. Afterwards, the newly-formed superhero group, which saved the planet after putting it at risk, is interrogated by the US military and they ask for a new base. And they get what they want. But wait, now the team needs a name. And the movie cuts to the credits just before they say it, because it's a silly name, you guys, and this movie is not silly. No ridiculous nicknames for anyone, for that matter.
I see some people praising Trank's direction, but I don't understand why. It felt like he told every actor to deliver those lines in the blandest, most robotic way possible. If you have an awful script in your hands, you might as well have some fun with it. But no. This movie takes itself seriously at all times. It feels like it's ashamed of itself. It truly does.
Everything else is just as bad. The CGI is awful, the soundtrack is bland, the sets are as boring as the rest of the movie (well, mostly the set... I imagine most of the scene headings go something like this: "INT. LABORATORY - DAY/NIGHT/IT DOESN'T MATTER THERE ARE NO WINDOWS.").
I could go on and on, but you get the point. It's an awful movie. Worst of all: it doesn't allow us to have fun with it's awfulness. It's just depressingly bad.
What Was FANTASTIC FOUR Like Before Simon Kinberg? (Birth.Movies.Death.)
Miles Quaritch
Member
Some of that sounds pretty good but costly too.
Very effects heavy, but it would have been sweet to see non cloud Galactus on the big screen.
Nappuccino
Member
A lot of that sounds a little cheesy in the second half, but I have to imagine it's better than the movie we got.
George Oscar Bluth II
Banned
Wow, that's sad.
The Broken Ska Record
Member
You could probably take out the MoleMan subplot, but that script sounds really good.
...This is what the movie should had been!!!
ultracal31
You don't get to bring friends.
A few more rewrites to cut out some fat (mostly moleman subplot) and we got ourselves something that could have worked a lot better than what we got.
I dislike all these movies making Doom having superpowers due to the accident instead of it being tech like Iron Man. I get that it saves time by having him get powers at the same time as the others, but we've had 2 movies of it already and they've both sucked at making Doom, Doom.
a secret-boss
Banned
Tentacles Doom reminds me of Cloud Galactus
Freeza Under The Shower
Member
it's called cutting to the chase, as well as giving Doom a good reason to be an antagonist rather than 'I hate you. I hate you all' with the viewer going 'for some reason' after that line. No fault of the actor btw, the script for the 2005 movie just isn't very strong, or the shoots were poorly planned (which is somewhat unlikely but still). The sequel to it is much better planned and, frankly, written as well. That none of us liked cloud Galactus is a little overzealous, since the real deal would have looked awful in 2007 anyway. That, and it's reaaaaaally hard to take the silver surfer seriously, as the 2007 movie had the misfortune to demonstrate. Overall, it's problem is that it is not as likeable as its predecessor, in some part perhaps due to the god-awful super blue eyes of Alba clearly added in post. And speaking of terrible wigs and things: downgrading Alba from 'non white' to 'clearly super white' is kind of really insulting.
But I guess at least it didn't have money problems, which, despite that I haven't seen it yet, is something that clearly was the case with this latest 'keep those fucking rights!' Fox thing.
The script sounds a lot like The Amazing Spiderman btw, which is not entirely a good thing either. Raimi Spiderman, sure, but that means cutting the moloid. I'm not sure if cutting that for money reasons was necessarily bad in itself, but it would probably have made the second act go on fooooreeeeveeeeer aka drag. Like I said, I have no idea it is in the actual movie. Probably really bad.
DonasaurusRex
Online Ho Champ
lol yes
That sounds awesome.
Even though that was more of a parody of the Fantastic Four, sure why not.
Also that original script is actually pretty good, I didn't like F4 and feel I would have liked it more with that original script or whatever the movie was before it got gutted.
Seeing that version of Galactus would also be very interesting
unholyrevenger72
Banned
Does the western world take those dictators seriously? Do those dictators have the power to upset global Politics? The answer is no, and no, which makes them, and Doom, socially irrelevant.
Saw it earlier today. Let me divide my review into three parts:
Prologue: Awful. I don't know why it was here. Didn't add anything to the film and was just cringeworthy throughout.
Before
: Actually pretty decent. Yeah, there's poor dialogue here and there and both Grimm and Johnny are short-changed, but ultimately, it's enticing and enjoyable. The scene
is great too, it was when the movie fully had my attention.
After
:
A lot of potential missed out. I don't know who to blame, but this was bad overall.
Prologue: Awful. I don't know why it was here. Didn't add anything to the film and was just cringeworthy throughout.
Before
time jump
after they get their powers
After
time jump
Why. Why was this time jump here? Everything interesting seemed to happen in the year we missed out on. Why bother with jumping forward in time so much too? The lines were cringeworthy here all the way through, and I honestly couldn't stand any of it.
A lot of potential missed out. I don't know who to blame, but this was bad overall.
They could have trimmed that down to cut costs and still keep most of the original story. Instead they cheaped out and butchered it. Thanks Fox.
Obviously what Venture Bros. did was a parody of the Fantastic Four.
I meant more in the way to showing the realistic consequences of having these crazy powers. Except in VB it's a parody and in F4 it's gritty and grounded.
Mengy
wishes it were bannable to say mean things about Marvel
Yeah, even that great draft didn't get Doom right, but I admit it would have been the best incarnation of Doom we've seen on the big screen yet. At least he would have been an interesting character. I love the aspect of Doom acting "evil" only to defend the Earth from destruction, THAT sounds like Dr. Doom.
That script sounds pretty sweet honestly. Fox just didn't want to invest much into this, they never really were interested in making a great movie, just a movie.
Just watched this, what a great segment!
I smile when he said it, because Doctor Strange will be doing something like that.
This Fant4stic review is amazing.
The sarcasm in this review is unreal.
R_thanatos
Member
Gentle Rodriguez
Member
I lost it every time he said "Fan-four-stick"
starchild excalibur
Member
Saw this yesterday.
So, the film is pretty bad, but I didn't find it as abhorrent as some of the critical reviews made it out to seem. At the end of the day, I feel like Trank probably didn't really want to make a Fantastic Four film. Coming from Chronicle, I could appreciate some of the elements he included such as the relationship between Reed and Ben. As mentioned before, the body horror stuff was also an interesting take and I appreciated that there was more conflict amongst the group's members about whether to embrace their powers or whether to continually strive towards being normal again. The characterization of The Thing, especially, was intriguing and I wish they'd have pushed that even more.
That being said, it's still a very flawed film. The CG and green screen work is incredibly shoddy and conspicuous. Doom's absence through most of the film only to lead to a hurried finale with him was problematic. There's no chemistry between Reed and Sue, or Sue and Johnny. The portrayals of the military/government body was a bit campy and unbelievable. The actors felt bored and uninspired. And the dialogue was pretty bad at times.
It's by no means a good film, but I think it could have been had Trank directed a new IP with a smaller budget. The stuff that works in the film still doesn't really gel with what is fundamentally fantastic four. But like most things, I think the internet backlash was spoke more dramatically than was really warranted of the film.
So, the film is pretty bad, but I didn't find it as abhorrent as some of the critical reviews made it out to seem. At the end of the day, I feel like Trank probably didn't really want to make a Fantastic Four film. Coming from Chronicle, I could appreciate some of the elements he included such as the relationship between Reed and Ben. As mentioned before, the body horror stuff was also an interesting take and I appreciated that there was more conflict amongst the group's members about whether to embrace their powers or whether to continually strive towards being normal again. The characterization of The Thing, especially, was intriguing and I wish they'd have pushed that even more.
That being said, it's still a very flawed film. The CG and green screen work is incredibly shoddy and conspicuous. Doom's absence through most of the film only to lead to a hurried finale with him was problematic. There's no chemistry between Reed and Sue, or Sue and Johnny. The portrayals of the military/government body was a bit campy and unbelievable. The actors felt bored and uninspired. And the dialogue was pretty bad at times.
It's by no means a good film, but I think it could have been had Trank directed a new IP with a smaller budget. The stuff that works in the film still doesn't really gel with what is fundamentally fantastic four. But like most things, I think the internet backlash was spoke more dramatically than was really warranted of the film.
TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared
Member
I think its one of the worst films of the year for sure, definitely among the worst super hero films ever, but not one of the worst movies ever or nothing.
Freeza Under The Shower
Member
couldn't get past a minute of that.
either way, I finally saw the movie and since you can use Mara's wig as the tell-tale sign of reshoots, what bothered me most is that they seemed unnecessary. Worse, they are used to give a line of exposition for the next scene where we are shown the exact same thing.
It becomes really jarring at the end of course, particularly because the one before the last one is clearly Trank's version, with the four finally asserting themselves as their own, and then the final scene is a reshoot with an avengers-like ending, which is a really strange contrast between the two.
I did like the combination of Doom with the living planet / Galactus (which it could still be turned into should a sequel ever get made), even though that wasn't what was shown, but with that script article in mind, that reference seemed obvious. Doom was trying to 'consume' Earth into his new home after all.
It's just that the fight itself is out of place and has the worst example of 'reshoot exposition line' with Reed somehow just knowing Doom is the source for it.
Two other notable examples are the power 'explain' scene, then followed directly by the exact same scene after that (meaning the reshoot scene wasn't required), and the one where they give Mara the line 'like a pattern' when the movie has an overly long scene at the beginning that explains all that directly. At least Trank understand 'show, don't tell' as far as exposition-into-later-scenes goes. The reshooters clearly do not. Like, 'how did Johnny learn how to fly' would be rather obvious thing to show somewhere and not just 'oh that's a thing now'.
I think Trank could have made a really decent origin story, if I discount the reshoot scenes. My real opposition to it is however that they are supposedly teens (which they're clearly not, but then neither is Jennifer Lawrence in The Hunger Games, so 'eh' I guess), and the fact that it took too long to get to the Inciting Incident. I realize that it would have been about family ( the adoption theme plays to 'family of choice' versus the one you're stuck with), but the 2005 movie got to the point in 10 minutes. This one waited until about halfway in, without providing the build-up or subplot (like say, Jurassic Park's T-rex paddoc one hour into the movie, but with a dinosaur on screen at exactly 20 minutes, right on cue for the Inciting Incident) to validate that delay.
I suppose the machine itself was supposed to be that scene, but that means there was a scene (like say, a misfire) missing before they send the chimp. I don't feel it took too long to get to that point, but the minutes long scene with Reed and Sue slowed everything to a crawl and was never paid off (particularly because a reshoot line ruined it).
either way, I finally saw the movie and since you can use Mara's wig as the tell-tale sign of reshoots, what bothered me most is that they seemed unnecessary. Worse, they are used to give a line of exposition for the next scene where we are shown the exact same thing.
It becomes really jarring at the end of course, particularly because the one before the last one is clearly Trank's version, with the four finally asserting themselves as their own, and then the final scene is a reshoot with an avengers-like ending, which is a really strange contrast between the two.
I did like the combination of Doom with the living planet / Galactus (which it could still be turned into should a sequel ever get made), even though that wasn't what was shown, but with that script article in mind, that reference seemed obvious. Doom was trying to 'consume' Earth into his new home after all.
It's just that the fight itself is out of place and has the worst example of 'reshoot exposition line' with Reed somehow just knowing Doom is the source for it.
Two other notable examples are the power 'explain' scene, then followed directly by the exact same scene after that (meaning the reshoot scene wasn't required), and the one where they give Mara the line 'like a pattern' when the movie has an overly long scene at the beginning that explains all that directly. At least Trank understand 'show, don't tell' as far as exposition-into-later-scenes goes. The reshooters clearly do not. Like, 'how did Johnny learn how to fly' would be rather obvious thing to show somewhere and not just 'oh that's a thing now'.
I think Trank could have made a really decent origin story, if I discount the reshoot scenes. My real opposition to it is however that they are supposedly teens (which they're clearly not, but then neither is Jennifer Lawrence in The Hunger Games, so 'eh' I guess), and the fact that it took too long to get to the Inciting Incident. I realize that it would have been about family ( the adoption theme plays to 'family of choice' versus the one you're stuck with), but the 2005 movie got to the point in 10 minutes. This one waited until about halfway in, without providing the build-up or subplot (like say, Jurassic Park's T-rex paddoc one hour into the movie, but with a dinosaur on screen at exactly 20 minutes, right on cue for the Inciting Incident) to validate that delay.
I suppose the machine itself was supposed to be that scene, but that means there was a scene (like say, a misfire) missing before they send the chimp. I don't feel it took too long to get to that point, but the minutes long scene with Reed and Sue slowed everything to a crawl and was never paid off (particularly because a reshoot line ruined it).
The scene where Sue looking for Reed while listening to music was a huge missed opportunity on the part of Trank & the rest of Fox (one among many, anyway). They could have easily given us one of the songs Sue referenced earlier in the movie as background as Sue was looking for the pattern of Reed's whereabouts.
- Status