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FANT4STIC 4OUR |OT| Fantastic 4/10

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George Oscar Bluth II

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Neoxon said:
Margot Robbie was almost Sue Storm/The Invisible Woman in Fant4stic. Talk about dodging a massive bullet.
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excelsiorlef

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Dunno if it's because all the terrible word of mouth lowered my expectations to fuck nothing but it wasn't half bad.

I'd say better than the original movie series but below FF 94 (which despite it being a B movie never meant to be released is actually quite good and close to the comic)


Biggest issue and what kept me from saying it was good is yet again a terrible Doctor Doom, which is too bad because the actor before becoming a CG mess was solid but Doom on is just awful.

It's frustrating because this cast was pretty good and I think now that the origin is told the next movie could have been fun, of course it tanked so we'll never see it but it's kind of a shame as all 4 of the FF were pretty good and it was certainly the best display of Sue's powers we've seen.

All in all I'd say a 6.5 out of 10, it was wasn't great but it's not the disaster everyone thinks it is
 
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Brianimaniac

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It is the disaster everyone says, though. Like...it's not even a matter of whether it's good or bad, because it isn't a real film. It isn't the director's vision, it isn't the studio's vision, and it isn't a compromise. The director set out to do something, the studio decided way too late to shift gears and try to make it into something else, so they chopped the shit out of it, added things in that didn't fit with what was already there, forgot to include a second act, and barely got it duct-taped together before kicking it out the door. It's not a movie, it's the mangled corpse left over after a bad conflict between a director and a studio, and they're trying to march it around like this is Weekend at Bernie's, hoping no one will notice.
 
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BlackBanditSho

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Riskington said:
It is It's not a movie, it's the mangled corpse left over after a bad conflict between a director and a studio, and they're trying to march it around like this is Weekend at Bernie's, hoping no one will notice.
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People need to stop this. It's not even a bad movie. You can really feel the movie by committee in the third act, but through a large portion of the movie, it's actually pretty damn good. It's definitely the Fantastic Four movie that I've wanted to see - up to a point.

By the third act, ie, the return of Doom, the movie takes on a totally different pace and tone. It's as if the movie lost its nerve, and replaced the EXTREMELY confident and slower pacing of the first 2/3 of the movie with a horrible FOX superhero action flick which completely falls apart.

What's admirable about the world Trank set up is that it follows its own logic and takes itself very seriously. This is NOT a MARVEL studios movie, and it's all the better for it. Tonally, it's a lot closer to X-Men and X2 (prior to it falling apart in the end) than anything else.

There are parts in the movie that REALLY work, like the realization of what happened to the team when they come back from the other dimension. The Human Torch reveal is genuinely frightening stuff...
 
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TheSecondSpitter

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Oh boy.

BlackBanditSho said:
People need to stop this. It's not even a bad movie. You can really feel the movie by committee in the third act, but through a large portion of the movie, it's actually pretty damn good. It's definitely the Fantastic Four movie that I've wanted to see - up to a point.
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"People need to stop" implies there's some conspiracy and/or vested interest among "people" that it bombs. The participants of this conspiracy must be professional film critics, "people" providing casual commentary on the internet, the director of the actual film and paying film-goers. Gotcha.

It's not a mangled corpse but then you proceed to describe it in equally unfavorable terms, thus:

BlackBanditSho said:
By the third act, ie, the return of Doom, the movie takes on a totally different pace and tone. It's as if the movie lost its nerve, and replaced the EXTREMELY confident and slower pacing of the first 2/3 of the movie with a horrible FOX superhero action flick which completely falls apart.

What's admirable about the world Trank set up is that it follows its own logic and takes itself very seriously. This is NOT a MARVEL studios movie, and it's all the better for it. Tonally, it's a lot closer to X-Men and X2 (prior to it falling apart in the end) than anything else.
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Wow, what a revelation you think it's closer tonally to X-men considering it had the input of identical producers. But i've never read anywhere statements like: "X-Men DOFP was as boring as fuck" or "DOFP was a mangled corpse" because they are more than competent films.
 
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BlackBanditSho

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The Second Spitter said:
Oh boy.



"People need to stop" implies there's some conspiracy and/or vested interest among "people" that it bombs. The participants of this conspiracy must be professional film critics, "people" providing casual commentary on the internet, the director of the actual film and paying film-goers. Gotcha.

It's not a mangled corpse but then you proceed to describe it in equally unfavorable terms, thus:


Wow, what a revelation you think it's closer tonally to X-men considering it had the input of identical producers. But i've never read anywhere statements like: "X-Men DOFP was as boring as fuck" or "DOFP was a mangled corpse" because they are more than competent films.
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I'm just saying that to listen to the internet, this movie is a complete and utter shit. It's really not. It does fall apart by the end, but the core of what Trank was trying to do is still there. Ironically, the leak that came out about what Trank and the scriptwriter had originally pitched sounded awful to me.

What was appealing about this movie is that it really captured a lot of what I used to enjoy about the FF. Reed is a coward. They found a way to make Victor interesting (pre-launch), the essence of Torch was there. The focus on exploration into the other dimension had interstellar vibes. There's a lot to like.

Until it turns into a crappy superhero flick in the worst way. I kind of like the idea of smart space science explorers with powers.

But yeah, when I say people need to stop, the hyperbolic hate just gets me.

As for the 'professional' criticism, we live in an age of people jumping on bandwagons and following consensus. Either that, or just having something snarky and cynical to say when it comes to this type of stuff. One of the few critics to have the guts to give a movie interesting analysis based on its own merits was Roger Ebert, and he's gone.

These days it's either rampant fanboyism, people too attached to source material, or people with an agenda.

All that said, though, that doesn't change the fact that Trank probably was a dick on set. Still, the vision feels strong. A lot of fans just don't like his vision.
 
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Amir0x

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BlackBanditSho said:
I'm just saying that to listen to the internet, this movie is a complete and utter shit. It's really not. It does fall apart by the end, but the core of what Trank was trying to do is still there. Ironically, the leak that came out about what Trank and the scriptwriter had originally pitched sounded awful to me.

What was appealing about this movie is that it really captured a lot of what I used to enjoy about the FF. Reed is a coward. They found a way to make Victor interesting (pre-launch), the essence of Torch was there. The focus on exploration into the other dimension had interstellar vibes. There's a lot to like.

Until it turns into a crappy superhero flick in the worst way. I kind of like the idea of smart space science explorers with powers.

But yeah, when I say people need to stop, the hyperbolic hate just gets me.

As for the 'professional' criticism, we live in an age of people jumping on bandwagons and following consensus. Either that, or just having something snarky and cynical to say when it comes to this type of stuff. One of the few critics to have the guts to give a movie interesting analysis based on its own merits was Roger Ebert, and he's gone.

These days it's either rampant fanboyism, people too attached to source material, or people with an agenda.

All that said, though, that doesn't change the fact that Trank probably was a dick on set. Still, the vision feels strong. A lot of fans just don't like his vision.
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The movie is simply atrocious to most people. These people don't think describing it this way is "hyperbole", most are not even remotely attached to the source material (I hate Fantastic Four comics), and most are not even getting paid to say it. Most are also adults who can formulate opinions on their own and are not being sucked into any hypothetical peer pressure consensus. They are also not deciding a movie sucks so that they can meet some cynicism quota, don't be ridiculous.

You need to simply accept people think it sucks, but that you don't. It's OK. It doesn't make your view any less valid, or anyone else's view any less valid.
 
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sooperkool

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Why is this premise so damn hard for directors?

I was perfect but now I'm flawed and its all Reed's fault so I will lock myself away in a suit of iron and technology and avenge myself. Also, i am Doom so I will wear an awesome cape.
 
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R_thanatos

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BlackBanditSho said:
I'm just saying that to listen to the internet, this movie is a complete and utter shit. It's really not. It does fall apart by the end, but the core of what Trank was trying to do is still there.
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I disagree.
Having good ideas doesn't make a good movie . Would the trank version be better ? that's up to debate. BUt yeah maybe it would have been coherent.
But that's not what was on theaters . We've got a set of ideas , with no pay-off to them AND entire plot threads neglected and forgotten and this movie is a mess visually. I'm not saying that it doesn't have some good scenes but the ensemble, the entire movie is as uneven as possible.

This movie is for nobody , it serves no purpose..this movie is complete AND utter shit. You can talk all you want about the promise of the first half , the second half sh*t on them and the end result deserve all tha backlash it got.

I don't pay to see a movie and get satisfied because the first half was good, this hobbies isn't that cheap

Chronicles was coherent , it made sense from start to finish.
Fant4stic is not.
Had chronicles last 1/3 be cut and replaced with generic nonsense , people would call it shit ..Guess what happenned to Faant4stic
 
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Timu

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R_thanatos said:
I disagree.
Having good ideas doesn't make a good movie . Would the trank version be better ? that's up to debate. BUt yeah maybe it would have been coherent.
But that's not what was on theaters . We've got a set of ideas , with no pay-off to them AND entire plot threads neglected and forgotten and this movie is a mess visually. I'm not saying that it doesn't have some good scenes but the ensemble, the entire movie is as uneven as possible.

This movie is for nobody , it serves no purpose..this movie is complete AND utter shit. You can talk all you want about the promise of the first half , the second half sh*t on them and the end result deserve all tha backlash it got.

I don't pay to see a movie and get satisfied because the first half was good, this hobbies isn't that cheap

Chronicles was coherent , it made sense from start to finish.
Fant4stic is not.
Had chronicles last 1/3 be cut and replaced with generic nonsense , people would call it shit ..Guess what happenned to Faant4stic
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I agree with this post 100%, most if not all of the movie should be good, not just half of it(and even then I wasn't impressed with the 1st half with it's bad dialog and such).
 
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E the Shaggy

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And the hits keep coming:

‘Fantastic Four 2′: Simon Kinberg “Really Focused” on the Sequel, Reuniting the Cast

“I was obviously disappointed. I was most disappointed that fans didn’t like it. I care more about them than I do anyone else. But I haven’t done a full deep dive on it. Do I think it was unfairly treated? I don’t know.”

“I do believe there is a great ’Fantastic Four’ movie that we’ve made with that cast. So I’m gonna figure out what that is … I’d like that to happen.”
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http://collider.com/fantastic-four-2-sequel-simon-kinberg-focused-on-script-and-reuniting-cast/

I can't believe they're going through with it. It's insane.
 
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Dai101

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E the Shaggy said:
And the hits keep coming:



http://collider.com/fantastic-four-2-sequel-simon-kinberg-focused-on-script-and-reuniting-cast/

I can't believe they're going through with it. It's insane.
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They aren't. Is just empty talk to keep appearances.

Slayven said:
Don't movies actually make less over seas, like they only get like 50 percent of every dollar?
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EXACTLY. Some cases even less (don't remember where i read that). The largest part is keeped by the theater.
 
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Blader

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Eh, if the studio can pin the movie's troubles on Trank -- which they've been doing internally all year anyway -- then they might rationalize a sequel as being worthwhile if they have (and will get) a new director for it.

I think losing DD to Marvel, who turned around a failed movie series on Fox's part into a hit Netflix series for themselves, has Fox scared of losing any more Marvel properties no matter what. Bad enough that your movie sucked, even worse if a rival studio scoops it out from under you and makes your failure their success.

In any event, Fox is under no pressure to do anything with FF for seven years anyway.
 
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Patryn

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E the Shaggy said:
And the hits keep coming:



http://collider.com/fantastic-four-2-sequel-simon-kinberg-focused-on-script-and-reuniting-cast/

I can't believe they're going through with it. It's insane.
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Sony was saying the same shit after Amazing Spider-Man 2, and that actually made money.

Fox has already taken the writedown on Fantastic Four.

They'll try to squeeze any money possible out of home video and the like by putting out statements like that that point to a future for this iteration, then put the sequel on a shelf after all the money has been wrung out and either sell the rights to Disney or we'll see a new reboot in 7 years.
 
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Garlador

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Dai101 said:
And all the Spider-Man spin offs? And that movie made more than F4antastic, and still fell short.
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They were talking about Green Lantern 2 as recently as last year, and we all know that film is never happening, at least not with Ryan Reynolds as Hal Jordan.
 
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Finaika

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E the Shaggy said:
Ruh Roh.

While the Fantastic Four has bombed in North America, it has so far made over $100 million overseas for a worldwide total of over $150 million and counting. With a production budget at about $120 million (not including marketing), it appears that the film isn’t the monetary catastrophe that was anticipated.
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We do it!
 
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Mr. Pointy

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E the Shaggy said:
Ruh Roh.
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Still a bomb. F4 would have to make $250m worldwide or more for them to seriously consider a sequel. Any sequel talk from Fox is them putting on a brave face because the movie is still in theatres.

Until Fox can sell the F4 rights back to Marvel for X-Men TV rights you won't hear anything else.
 
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GAMEPROFF

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They need to say it alone to stay in a better position for negotiations. When they open say, yeah, we wont make another movie, they give themself up.
 
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