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FANT4STIC 4OUR |OT| Fantastic 4/10

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E the Shaggy

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There were worrying personal issues as well. As THR reported in May, Trank and his dogs allegedly caused more than $100,000 worth of damage to a rented house in Baton Rouge that he and his wife occupied while the film was shooting there. Sources say now that after landlord Martin Padial moved to evict Trank, photographs of the landlord's family that were in the house were defaced. Padial made a complaint to the local sheriff's department and filed a civil suit in Louisiana that is sealed. Padial's attorney, Michael Bienvenu, declined to comment on the matter. The sheriff's department says the case was "closed as a civil matter between landlord and tenant."
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This make Trank sound like a fucking sociopath.
 
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Timu

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serenewarfare said:
Just saw it with a friend. The shortest review I can give this movie is that it is boring as fuck. It's a 90 minute movie in which almost nothing happens for 80 minutes. Almost all of the character development and evolution, what little there is that makes sense, is told and not shown. And the bits that are shown are montages. Doom's motivations are weak and never even attempt to be explained, the F4 members have little to no conviction in their actions, which makes the big "hero" moment flat as hell.

This is a bad, bad movie. I thought it would be below average. It is so much worse. Don't see this movie. It's not bad in a way you can appreciate or get any fun out of examining. It's bad in ways that have you either frustrated or disinterested.
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I agree with all of this.
 
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richiek

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Father_Brain said:
If you're not already sick of postmortems on the film's troubled production, THR has a new one.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/fantastic-four-blame-game-fox-814764
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A crewmember acknowledges that Trank bears much of the fault for the film's problems but also says the Fox studio should not escape blame. The movie was "ill-conceived, made for the wrong reasons and there was no vision behind the property," this person says. "Say what you will about Marvel but they have a vision."

As Fox hurried to put the project into production before rights to the material reverted to Marvel, the studio was scrambling with multiple rewrites and delays in starting the film. They "were afraid of losing the rights so they pressed forward and didn't surround [Trank] with help or fire him. They buried their heads in the sand." Fox declined to comment.
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Figures Fox made the film just so they wouldn't lose the rights to Marvel.
 
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richiek

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Patryn said:
That isn't some giant revelation. Everyone knew it when it was announced that was exactly the case.
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Not really. During the making of the film, people were giving Trank and Fox the benefit of the doubt that they would make a film that would do the FF justice, despite the rumors and reports of turmoil on set.

BobbyRoberts said:
This is the main thing you took from the article.
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And what of it?
 
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Patryn

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richiek said:
Not really. Back then people were giving Trank and Fox the benefit of the doubt that they would make a film that would do the FF justice, despite the rumors and reports of turmoil on set.
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They may have had a vision, but the movie got greenlit because they had to make a movie RIGHT THEN. The clock on the 7 years were nearly up, and they HAD to get something in production by mid-2014.

Trank just had the vision they chose to go with.
 
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dabig2

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I swear to god we literally had a countdown watch thread here on the rights reverting before this shitty movie was announced. We were very, very close.
 
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Miles Quaritch

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StopMakingSense said:
Yes, the whole sequence was cut. Basically only thing that survived was the ridiculous shot of the tank top being ripped off and thrown, shown on a monitor. It's been suggested that it was cut because the effects work was not up to snuff.
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That's a dam shame. That aspect of weaponising Thing seemed pretty interesting to me.

Ah well, another reason not to watch it.

cyberheater said:
Seems your predictive text has learnt a few of your favourite words.
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Hehe, I noticed that earlier. It seems to default to cunt now. Does anyone know how to change that?
 
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dabig2

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Kelsdesu said:
Alot of people bought the FOX hype, and thought they were going "change the game", and "make something fresh to the genre" lol. I almost did.
Surprised detective GAF hasnt served any crow.
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Sure as hell not here on GAF, lol. No crow to serve because there were probably only a couple true believers. Again, I'm fairly positive we had a countdown thread on the rights reverting and everyone was looking forward to it. When Fox announced a rushed production at the 11th hour, few bought their bullshit.
 
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Bobby Roberts

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The idea that the studio wanted the film to be good isn't mutually exclusive from the idea that they wanted the movie to be made before the rights ran out. They can (and do) coexist.

Being surprised (or taking from an article that highlights a fair amount of really fucked up decisions throughout the process of making the movie) at maybe the most obvious aspect of this film's production is kinda crazy, to me. Of course they were trying to get the movie made before the rights reverted. Otherwise they wouldn't have been trying to make the movie at all.

It's not hard.

The botch job that happened on the film was helped by the decision to get things in gear so late, but it's apparently not even in the top 5 biggest fuck-ups that happened on this movie.
 
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Pai Pai Master

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dabig2 said:
I swear to god we literally had a countdown watch thread here on the rights reverting before this shitty movie was announced. We were very, very close.
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It was down to a matter of weeks or a couple months at most. Kept wishing they'd run into some problem that delayed production start just long enough.
 
Mengy

Mengy

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BobbyRoberts said:
The idea that the studio wanted the film to be good isn't mutually exclusive from the idea that they wanted the movie to be made before the rights ran out. They can (and do) coexist.
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Sure, with other movies maybe, but from the day this F4 was announced it seemed to be a lackluster attempt. The last minute announcement just weeks before the rights slipped back. The obvious lack of keeping with the source material or "canon". The very little news during shooting, the fast time to production, the untested director, the lack of costume budget, the small number of locations for shooting, the lid on early reviews, the lack of advertising. It was clearly not Fox's most ambitious nor confident outing from the very start. So it's not hard at all to draw parallels to this film simply being a necessary exercise to keep rights from slipping.

It's just that no one expected it to be THIS bad....
 
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Bobby Roberts

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Mengy said:
Sure, with other movies maybe,
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No, for this one too. Look at the talent they threw at the fuckin thing.

Just wanting something to turn out good doesn't mean it's going to, though. People seem to be operating from that idea.

Pai Pai Master said:
It's more like they would have liked for it to be good FF movie, but it obviously wasn't a priority.
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Or not enough of a priority, yeah. Or a priority that got misplaced once shit started sliding sideways.
 
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DeathyBoy

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roflwaffles said:
Magneto's plan in X1 makes more sense than almost all villain plots in comic book movies. The plan itself isn't even actually super malicious, he's just a dick about it.

Actually it makes too much sense for most comic book movies nowadays, especially since it doesn't involve a city destroying senseless battle at the end.
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All of his plans make sense, up until X-Men 3 when he's turned into a camp serial villain. X-Men 2 Magneto would've dropped that bridge on Alcatraz and killed everyone there. Then tied a necklace around Jean and hurled her ass into a volcano.
 
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EdReedFan20

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It's now at 8% on Rotten Tomatoes. Is this now officially the worst big-budget wide-release super hero movie of all time (according to Rotten Tomatoes)? People were comparing this last week to Catwoman, which is 9% on Rotten Tomatoes. F4 is now worse than that.
 
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Dysun

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EdReedFan20 said:
It's now at 8% on Rotten Tomatoes. Is this now officially the worst big-budget wide-release super hero movie of all time (according to Rotten Tomatoes)? People were comparing this last week to Catwoman, which is 9% on Rotten Tomatoes. F4 is now worse than that.
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stunning to see a comic book movie this bad in 2015
truly an epic fail by fox and trank
 
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Bobby Roberts

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Toa TAK said:
So who then?
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Someone who knows how to make a documentary.

I mean, real answer? Charlie de Lauzirika, who did the documentaries on the Blade Runner, Alien Anthology, and Prometheus sets. But it's doubtful he'd actually want to do such a thing.

Frank Pavich just directed Jodorowsky's Dune, so that'd be a good choice, too. As would David Gregory, whose Lost Soul is also a damned good documentary on a film that imploded/exploded/degenerated/melted down and then some on a level not even Fantastic Four approached. But yeah, I don't see any of those guys wanting to approach this, either.
 
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Discotheque

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a real shame because I was really interested in the production of the Burton Superman movie too. oh well, got some decent info out of it at least.
 
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Toa TAK

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Slayven said:
that is hilarious
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Besides Honest Trailers, the Movie Science videos are the best part of Screen Junkies.
BobbyRoberts said:
Someone who knows how to make a documentary.

I mean, real answer? Charlie de Lauzirika, who did the documentaries on the Blade Runner, Alien Anthology, and Prometheus sets. But it's doubtful he'd actually want to do such a thing.

Frank Pavich just directed Jodorowsky's Dune, so that'd be a good choice, too. As would David Gregory, whose Lost Soul is also a damned good documentary on a film that imploded/exploded/degenerated/melted down and then some on a level not even Fantastic Four approached. But yeah, I don't see any of those guys wanting to approach this, either.
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Unless there's a ton of info we don't know about, I think Discotheque is right:

I don't there's much here to do a really interesting or juicy documentary about this. Maybe it's just a clusterfudge and that's it. :(
 
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PhoncipleBone

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BobbyRoberts said:
Someone who knows how to make a documentary.

I mean, real answer? Charlie de Lauzirika, who did the documentaries on the Blade Runner, Alien Anthology, and Prometheus sets. But it's doubtful he'd actually want to do such a thing.

Frank Pavich just directed Jodorowsky's Dune, so that'd be a good choice, too. As would David Gregory, whose Lost Soul is also a damned good documentary on a film that imploded/exploded/degenerated/melted down and then some on a level not even Fantastic Four approached. But yeah, I don't see any of those guys wanting to approach this, either.
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de Lauzirika would make a killer documentary about it. The only other DVD producer that always put together fantastic sets of special features that I can think of was David Prior. He didn't do many documentaries, but he knew how to make a great special edition. He was always David Fincher's go to guy.
 
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ramyeon

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Having not followed the production of this at all it's really interesting to hear just how much of a disaster all this was from pretty much day 1. Comicbookgirl19 just put up a video with a summary of the timeline of events that led to this being as big a mess as it was. Like she says, the stuff that happened behind the scenes is way more interesting than the movie itself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qC0mmSDCegk
 
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