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FIFA 12 - Previews, Updates, Impressions, et cetera

Toma

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JWong said:
Ermmm there is a list of skill moves.

I'm not sure if it's in the demo, but it's in button help -> skill moves in FIFA 11.

Yup, also was in Fifa World Cup 2010. I think its even written in the manual to look ingame for it.
 

QVT

Fair-weather, with pride!
There is a skill move list in game and it's pretty much useless because the arena camera FACES THE WRONG DIRECTION. I'm told they toyed with changing this and even put it in then took it out. Ridiculous stuff.
 

AstroLad

Hail to the KING baby
Awesome Animals said:
I think they leave it vague on purpose so you can find them yourself...
PES was the same way back in the day. I actually kinda like a little bit of mystery sometimes hah. (EA manuals are such crap anyway it would be futile for it to be otherwise.)
 

brentech

Member
QVT said:
There is a skill move list in game and it's pretty much useless because the arena camera FACES THE WRONG DIRECTION. I'm told they toyed with changing this and even put it in then took it out. Ridiculous stuff.
I had Fifa World Cup and 11, and while I feel like I found it once, I swear later on I was searching all over and couldn't find it for reference, had to find a video on youtube as a guide. Guess I'll have to keep a heads up for where you all say it was.

I basically played my fifa 11 clubs only using 2 or 3 skill moves, not that it mattered too much.

And since you mentioned a camera angle, out of curiosity, I'm assuming most everyone sticks to the tele/tele-coop mode?
 

DR3AM

Dreams of a world where inflated review scores save studios
its going to take me a loooong time to get used to the new defense.
 
brentech said:
And since you mentioned a camera angle, out of curiosity, I'm assuming most everyone sticks to the tele/tele-coop mode?
Yup, and the arena cam should be the same as the one you use in game (i.e. tele). Otherwise everything is at a 90-degree angle and so it doesn't really help you learn how to aim shots or do skill moves. :(
 
I haven't had much trouble defending ._. I mean in comparison with how well I defended in previous games of course. I'm not saying I don't suffer goals, far from that. I'm having so many problems attacking. I can't create chances. Wow. I just... I don't know. I try all types of setups, and can barely create them. As such I have won like 1 game on penalties after a draw, and one game 1-0 with a corner kick. And some 10 losses after that.
 

Cardigan

Member
QVT said:
There is a skill move list in game and it's pretty much useless because the arena camera FACES THE WRONG DIRECTION. I'm told they toyed with changing this and even put it in then took it out. Ridiculous stuff.
Guy, all you have to do is rotate the movements depending on what direction you're going. The skill move list always assumes you are moving to the right (I think this is correct).

Let's take the heel-click for example:
Moving right, you move the stick right and then left.
So in arena mode, let's say you're moving forward (up) towards the goal. All you have to do is rotate those movements, so now you move the stick up and then down.

It's pretty easy to figure out.
 

QVT

Fair-weather, with pride!
Cardigan said:
Guy, all you have to do is rotate the movements depending on what direction you're going. The skill move list always assumes you are moving to the right (I think this is correct).

Let's take the heel-click for example:
Moving right, you move the stick right and then left.
So in arena mode, let's say you're moving forward (up) towards the goal. All you have to do is rotate those movements, so now you move the stick up and then down.

It's pretty easy to figure out.

¿ɯǝןqoɹd ǝɥʇ s,ʇɐɥʍ 'ʇı op ʇsnظ ˙uǝǝɹɔs ǝɥʇ ǝʇɐʇoɹ sı op oʇ ǝʌɐɥ noʎ ןןɐ 'ɥɐǝʎ

˙ʇno ǝɹnbıɟ oʇ ʎsɐǝ ʎʇʇǝɹd s,ʇı
 

Cardigan

Member
QVT said:
¿ɯǝןqoɹd ǝɥʇ s,ʇɐɥʍ 'ʇı op ʇsnظ ˙uǝǝɹɔs ǝɥʇ ǝʇɐʇoɹ sı op oʇ ǝʌɐɥ noʎ ןןɐ 'ɥɐǝʎ

˙ʇno ǝɹnbıɟ oʇ ʎsɐǝ ʎʇʇǝɹd s,ʇı
Well, I was able to read that upside down so it wasn't really a problem.
But seriously, it isn't that hard to transpose the stick directions to whatever direction you're heading.
 

brentech

Member
Cardigan said:
Well, I was able to read that upside down so it wasn't really a problem.
But seriously, it isn't that hard to transpose the stick directions to whatever direction you're heading.
Yea, never had a problem with that, just an issue with knowing any more than a simple spin around the ball and real basic LT+rs direction.
 

QVT

Fair-weather, with pride!
brentech said:
Yea, never had a problem with that, just an issue with knowing any more than a simple spin around the ball and real basic LT+rs direction.

Cardigan said:
Well, I was able to read that upside down so it wasn't really a problem.
But seriously, it isn't that hard to transpose the stick directions to whatever direction you're heading.

You don't think there's something endemically wrong with having to learn them in one direction that you never use, ever, and then having to transpose those directions, sometimes bringing into conflict different skills?

The simple fact is that the arena is worthless and while it was a cool loading screen thing to show off the pro camera in 08 or whatever, it's well past its time. I doubt it'll be in 13, with how close they came to taking it out of 12.
 

JWong

Banned
QVT said:
You don't think there's something endemically wrong with having to learn them in one direction that you never use, ever, and then having to transpose those directions, sometimes bringing into conflict different skills?

The simple fact is that the arena is worthless and while it was a cool loading screen thing to show off the pro camera in 08 or whatever, it's well past its time. I doubt it'll be in 13, with how close they came to taking it out of 12.
It'll be there forever.
 

QVT

Fair-weather, with pride!
JWong said:
It'll be there forever.

They will improve it next year.

See how easy it is to be an asshole on the internet, everybody? Short declarative sentences!
 

JWong

Banned
QVT said:
They will improve it next year.

See how easy it is to be an asshole on the internet, everybody? Short declarative sentences!
You said they were close to taking it out of FIFA 12, which is absolutely false.
 

QVT

Fair-weather, with pride!
JWong said:
You said they were close to taking it out of FIFA 12, which is absolutely false.

Out of respect for the guys I've been working with and whether or not they want to be named or have this info out there I'm going to tell you simply that you're wrong and not compromise a good thing that I've been doing, getting a lot of stuff into the game that people actually want, shit from the lists that sneaky and rags and CB sent me, none of this new defending or whatever it is nonsense.
 

Cardigan

Member
QVT said:
You don't think there's something endemically wrong with having to learn them in one direction that you never use, ever, and then having to transpose those directions, sometimes bringing into conflict different skills?

The simple fact is that the arena is worthless and while it was a cool loading screen thing to show off the pro camera in 08 or whatever, it's well past its time. I doubt it'll be in 13, with how close they came to taking it out of 12.
Well, if you play be a pro with the pro camera angle (which I do), then it really isn't that useless.
For me, transposing the directions is extremely intuitive and I don't have to think twice about it. If I want my guy to do a fake lunge towards the bottom side line, I'm going to move my stick towards the direction of that line, not some predetermined direction.
 

JWong

Banned
QVT said:
Out of respect for the guys I've been working with and whether or not they want to be named or have this info out there I'm going to tell you simply that you're wrong and not compromise a good thing that I've been doing, getting a lot of stuff into the game that people actually want, shit from the lists that sneaky and rags and CB sent me, none of this new defending or whatever it is nonsense.
So are you saying you work at EA?
 

Foob

Member
JWong said:
I think it only works if there's someone by you or behind you.

that's the scoop 180 i think? part of the problem is that i'm playing on 360, as I normally play on ps3, and i cant do anything with the 360 analog stick for some reason
 

QVT

Fair-weather, with pride!
JWong said:
So are you saying you work at EA?

No, but I have been in contact with a lot of the dev team after trolling ruttski on twitter for ages. The updates to clubs have almost all been off our suggestions here.

This quote looks kinda harmless in this context so I'll just post it:

Q: "Why isn't the arena camera switchable too? Almost everyone would instantly put it on tele."

A: "It was discussed, and even tried out, but was reverted back."
 

JWong

Banned
QVT said:
No, but I have been in contact with a lot of the dev team after trolling ruttski on twitter for ages. The updates to clubs have almost all been off our suggestions here.

This quote looks kinda harmless in this context so I'll just post it:

Q: "Why isn't the arena camera switchable too? Almost everyone would instantly put it on tele?"

A: "It was discussed, and even tried out, but was reverted back."
I see. Twitter.
 

Fry

Member
QVT said:
Out of respect for the guys I've been working with and whether or not they want to be named or have this info out there I'm going to tell you simply that you're wrong and not compromise a good thing that I've been doing, getting a lot of stuff into the game that people actually want, shit from the lists that sneaky and rags and CB sent me, none of this new defending or whatever it is nonsense.


What do you mean by this?
 

QVT

Fair-weather, with pride!
Fry8 said:
What do you mean by this?

When I got put in touch with the faucet, aka the goose (RIP Clay Davis) I asked the guys we played with all the time for extra things to mention when talking to EA. The clubs changes are almost all from those talks.
 

JWong

Banned
QVT said:
When I got put in touch with the faucet, aka the goose (RIP Clay Davis) I asked the guys we played with all the time for extra things to mention when talking to EA. The clubs changes are almost all from those talks.
Out of respect for the designers, design changes don't only come from feedback.

But if you feel like you contributed, I won't stop you. You may very well have made some differences.
 

SumGamer

Member
Foob said:
i cant get the scoop down for the life of me

Do you realize that you must not hold Jockey to do it. Also 4 stars and above only.


Foob said:
How do you do the thierry henry flick off a pass that villa does to score?

There was a stretch last night where I was doing it with what I thought was right bumper, but I haven't been able to do it once since

L2/LT then RB but timing is critical, you must do it right before receiving the ball.
 

QVT

Fair-weather, with pride!
JWong said:
Out of respect for the designers, design changes don't only come from feedback.

But if you feel like you contributed, I won't stop you. You may very well have made some differences.

So let's see here, you've been proven wrong, and decided to attack my method of communication instead of just accepting that. You want me to find the list of changes that they're showing for clubs in 12? You want me to post the emails where I say "these would be great" or pick between two options after asking the people who I've ever even seen play a game with me? Then what'll you do? Just stop shitting up the thread and leave it alone, arena will be upgraded in some massive way next year, bookmark the post. Laugh at me or never mention it again, we'll see.
 

Cardigan

Member
QVT said:
So let's see here, you've been proven wrong, and decided to attack my method of communication instead of just accepting that. You want me to find the list of changes that they're showing for clubs in 12? You want me to post the emails where I say "these would be great" or pick between two options after asking the people who I've ever even seen play a game with me? Then what'll you do? Just stop shitting up the thread and leave it alone, arena will be upgraded in some massive way next year, bookmark the post. Laugh at me or never mention it again, we'll see.
are you going to be in the game's credits? I can see it now.
QVT - Lead e-peen
 

JWong

Banned
QVT said:
So let's see here, you've been proven wrong, and decided to attack my method of communication instead of just accepting that. You want me to find the list of changes that they're showing for clubs in 12? You want me to post the emails where I say "these would be great" or pick between two options after asking the people who I've ever even seen play a game with me? Then what'll you do? Just stop shitting up the thread and leave it alone, arena will be upgraded in some massive way next year, bookmark the post. Laugh at me or never mention it again, we'll see.
Well you've already said they were close to getting rid of it, and flipped saying they're going to improve it.

Are you refuting my original statement that the Practice Arena is going to stay, or not?
 

QVT

Fair-weather, with pride!
JWong said:
Well you've already said they were close to getting rid of it, and flipped saying they're going to improve it.

Are you refuting my original statement that the Practice Arena is going to stay, or not?

I'm not bothering to talk to you anymore, because clearly you're as incompetent at posting as you are at testing. FIX THE CAMERA GLITCH
 
It's times like these where I understand why you rarely post on GAF, QVT...Although, you are insecure enough to lie about something like this ;)

And FWIW, he isn't lying, and I've seen proof.
 
JWong said:
Well you've already said they were close to getting rid of it, and flipped saying they're going to improve it.

Are you refuting my original statement that the Practice Arena is going to stay, or not?


And I'd argue that removing the first person mode, and giving us the tele camera would be an upgrade...
 

QVT

Fair-weather, with pride!
Awesome Animals said:
It's times like these where I understand why you rarely post on GAF, QVT...Although, you are insecure enough to lie about something like this ;)

And FWIW, he isn't lying, and I've seen proof.

The camera glitch just stresses me out so much! What can I say.
 

JWong

Banned
QVT said:
I'm not bothering to talk to you anymore, because clearly you're as incompetent at posting as you are at testing. FIX THE CAMERA GLITCH
Well, it's obviously a lost cause if you're not going to be tactful while posting.

Awesome Animals said:
And I'd argue that removing the first person mode, and giving us the tele camera would be an upgrade...
You can set up a practice match if you want to. The Practice Arena and Loading Arena are breaks from a normal play session. I'm not sure why you'd want to enforce the Tele cam if you can just get into a game.
 
JWong said:
You can set up a practice match if you want to. The Practice Arena and Loading Arena are breaks from a normal play session. I'm not sure why you'd want to enforce the Tele cam if you can just get into a game.
The point is that it'd be a simple addition to allow the user to select what camera they want in the arena. That way people like me that want it in Tele can do that. If you want Pro cam, just leave it on the default.
 

sneaky77

Member
Cornballer said:
The point is that it'd be a simple addition to allow the user to select what camera they want in the arena. That way people like me that want it in Tele can do that. If you want Pro cam, just leave it on the default.

Pretty much
 

JWong

Banned
Cornballer said:
The point is that it'd be a simple addition to allow the user to select what camera they want in the arena. That way people like me that want it in Tele can do that. If you want Pro cam, just leave it on the default.
That's a fair answer. Tele camera isn't a good camera for what the Practice Arena is trying to accomplish, but, hey, it's player choice.

I don't think the current Practice Arenas are designed for Tele though.
 

AstroLad

Hail to the KING baby
Cornballer said:
The point is that it'd be a simple addition to allow the user to select what camera they want in the arena. That way people like me that want it in Tele can do that. If you want Pro cam, just leave it on the default.
HOW IS THIS CONTROVERSIAL?!

oh yeah thisisneogaf.gif
 

SumGamer

Member
cartoon_soldier said:
Yea, I suck at defending. lol

So do you like just Contain all the time?

Try using jockey to close down the attacker and wait for the right moment to tackle. Try positioning your defender by thinking of what the attacker might do next. Push and tug help destabilize the attacker quite well too.

Personal thought though, I think the AI defends very well by itself. If you used to secondary press, try using secondary contain just to move the defender closer then let the AI take care of it.

Managed to get OM and Dortmund to best Barcelona at both possession and tackling. So I'm quite sure I did something right there. Bear in minds that it's still very difficult to take the ball from Barcelona, especially their three forwards with unpredictable dribble.
 

longdi

Banned
can someone confirm the pc version is the ultimate version? no more lame poor cousin ports?

planning to spend the last quarter gaming budget on battlefield3 and Fifa12 - ultimate (and cheaper!) editions. PC ftw!
 

JWong

Banned
longdi said:
can someone confirm the pc version is the ultimate version? no more lame poor cousin ports?

planning to spend the last quarter gaming budget on battlefield3 and Fifa12 - ultimate (and cheaper!) editions. PC ftw!
Well Ultimate version is the Preorder special...

It is the same as the console versions if that's what you're asking.
 
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