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LOL how you actually got a response. Money matches incoming?
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
The first one says "ultradavid says Japanese Hugo players are ass. It's amazing he can say that having seen stormKUBO's Hugo."
The second one say "Let him know that next time I'll show him some play that will make him say I'm good. It can't be helped that Japan can play USF4 first."
Haven't seen much Hugo in general or stormKUBO in particular, so dunno how valid those statements are
Very Japanese response.... Not exciting at all.
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
Your average Japanese FGC citizen doesn't show their ass on twitter lol
Ragingnight
Member
This is totally wrong LOL. Yun and Yang command grabs were never that great. It was their pressure + frame traps that made them great.
Their command grabs did not make them top tier. Also I don't see how their command grabs were a remnant of the parry system.
You're really asking why characters with otherwise full-fledged movesets getting command grabs would be connected to parries?
You can't see the logic?
Not saying it was "the thing" that made them busted, but they definitely contributed to how obnoxious they were.
I don't understand this... are you saying they were busted in 3rd Strike or busted in Arcade Edition?
Because Fei Long had that exact same command throw as the twins only he didn't even come with a dive kick. And Fei Long wasn't in 3rd Strike.
I'm saying that a massive amount of characters in 3S (the Twins among them) received command grabs on top of a normal moveset specifically because of the parry system. I'm not saying they were the only reason they were OP was because of them, just that you have to adjust everything else about them based on there not being parries in SF4- the risk/reward ratios change completely.
So what about Makoto? Had a command grab but wasn't busted in AE. How do you explain that?
Yun/Yang were busted in AE because they were meant to be busted. Period. Has nothing to do with 3S.
UltraDavid
Member
block ex lunge... deal with throw-invincible command grab/hit-invincible upkicks that left him like half a screen away behind you. i did 720 on a yun who had started ex tenshin just before me, dude tossed me right out of my grab. that grab was a major part of his bs imo
direct_quote
Member
But makoto had a command grab too and she was ass in vanilla SSF4. The only real threat was Yun's command grab in AE, ex was 5 frame startup and throw invincible, while regular was 7 frames.
Does no one read the "in part" qualifier? 
I'm using it as an example of "you don't just copy/paste characters" from one fighting engine to another to show how a character who leaned hard on a tool in Melee that was removed in a future game would be rebalanced based in that future game on the lack of that tool. It's a false argument.
I use Yun/Yang as examples because they received a tool to let them work around Parries in 3S but due to the lack of parries in future games it contributed to them being obnoxious.
The SFxT characters all have different frame data in SF4 as well because of the system mechanic changes.
I'm using it as an example of "you don't just copy/paste characters" from one fighting engine to another to show how a character who leaned hard on a tool in Melee that was removed in a future game would be rebalanced based in that future game on the lack of that tool. It's a false argument.
I use Yun/Yang as examples because they received a tool to let them work around Parries in 3S but due to the lack of parries in future games it contributed to them being obnoxious.
The SFxT characters all have different frame data in SF4 as well because of the system mechanic changes.
CountBlack
Member
Who's Bokkin and why's he facing Tokido?
WesternHeretic
Member
Our residential Cammy player.
I get what you are saying but the examples you provided are either bad or just untrue.
Yun/Yang being strong in AE had more to do with design intention than them being poorly ported. Otherwise Makoto would've been broken in Vanilla SF4 from the get go based on your theory about command grabs and parries.
Yun/Yang being strong in AE had more to do with design intention than them being poorly ported. Otherwise Makoto would've been broken in Vanilla SF4 from the get go based on your theory about command grabs and parries.
Is it really? Jeeeez. I could of sworn you could throw him out of it. What was capcom thinking.
They were thinking "oh man let's make these characters really powerful so if they lose it will be HYPE!"
NWM VI has started folks.
this isnt even fun to watch and its making me wait longer for the kof match >: (
R
Retro_
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That's only part of your argument though
Ragingnight
Member
Does no one read the "in part" qualifier?
I'm using it as an example of "you don't just copy/paste characters" from one fighting engine to another to show how a character who leaned hard on a tool in Melee that was removed in a future game would be rebalanced based in that future game on the lack of that tool. It's a false argument.
I use Yun/Yang as examples because they received a tool to let them work around Parries in 3S but due to the lack of parries in future games it contributed to them being obnoxious.
The SFxT characters all have different frame data in SF4 as well because of the system mechanic changes.
Yun and Yang weren't copy paste.
Yun
1) lunge punch was never safe in 3s
2) ex upkick didn't make him go that far
3) I don't think command grab had an EX version in 3s but even then nobody used it.
4) yun wasn't a frame trap character in 3s like he was in AE.
5) palm wasn't stupid in 3s either
Yang "tool" around parries was almost never used. Almost nobody played yang like that. His main goal was to hit you with cr. mk, or lk into rekka/ex rekka. He wanted to be in that mid range area. He did command grab at times but that was because you were to afraid to push a button. Not to bait a parry.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7QHdU6kQFk
If you notice, Yun in 3s plays nothing like AE2011. Yang command grabs but its not people trying to parry something.
They added all that shit in SF4AE. He never had those tools in 3s outside the fact that he had a command grab. And your argument only works for yun. What about yang? What about Makoto? Your argument that so many characters had command grabs because of parries doesn't work. Esp when the majority didn't have command grabs and the majority that did were mid tier at best.
The Mango Sentinel
Member
???
Only 6 characters had a command grab in 3S. Not that I'm really following what point you're trying to make.
OldKingDoran
Banned
this marvel play is pretty bad...
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
The community didn't want to ban koko, they can enjoy their shitty finals over and over for eternity
Really late, but please ask Tokido if he would be interested in coming to Peru next time he's visiting the states(flight from there would be easier to cover for us).
Yep, it is pretty horrible.
"Grab a stupid bitch by her nappy ass weave"-James Chen
He is gonna rap on stream if the kickstarter reaches 60k
http://www.twitch.tv/iebattlegrounds
He is gonna rap on stream if the kickstarter reaches 60k
http://www.twitch.tv/iebattlegrounds
Ragingnight
Member
WHEREA RE YOU YAMS. I SPENT 1 HOUR TO DL AE2012! (only to get bopped online like 10 times)
MiniBossBattle
Member
Anyone have a broken tier shirt? I want to know if medium or large is better for me. I'm 5'10 170.
hahaha, gunning for my head. i sent you the pm, we'll work the dets out tomorrow.
Ragingnight
Member
no promise. I'm often busy doing something sooooo yeah. your one shot is gone
my one shot at being the best around.... nothings gonna ever keep you downnnnnnnn
I do. I'm 5'10, ~130 or so and the Medium is a perfect fit for me.
Slamtastic
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kevo_huevo
Member
Anyone on psn wanna run some marvel or ae??
Ragingnight
Member
Kazunoko and Nemo
Seasoned Badger
Member
Only cause no one knows how to use Vanilla Akuma.
biosnake20
Member
That's what we thought at the time but oh man were we wrong.
Professor Beef
Banned
http://www.twitch.tv/iebattlegrounds
Watson is streaming w/ Ultradavid on commentary. Watson talked about the Nesica cabs and how ridiculously expensive they are. He also explained why there won't be Ultra cabs in Super Arcade (they'd go broke again, in a nutshell).
Watson is streaming w/ Ultradavid on commentary. Watson talked about the Nesica cabs and how ridiculously expensive they are. He also explained why there won't be Ultra cabs in Super Arcade (they'd go broke again, in a nutshell).
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