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Final Fantasy Brave Exvius |OT5| Our Golden Anniversary Brings Us Hope
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$160 isn't that much? Uhhhhhhhhh......
Advocatus Diaboli
Member
Yay, story update. Something I won't be bored with.
I think whaling (for the third time, after Elza and Noctis) on the Veritas banner broke whatever hold this game had over me, because I really can't be bothered. So, don't count me among the post-Nier dropouts, but man, the value proposition is just not here anymore.
I sincerely wish I'd come to this realization a month ago, but these damn JP videos just reinforce everything. Couldn't give a damn about the derpy looking OK and his banner, either.
I think whaling (for the third time, after Elza and Noctis) on the Veritas banner broke whatever hold this game had over me, because I really can't be bothered. So, don't count me among the post-Nier dropouts, but man, the value proposition is just not here anymore.
I sincerely wish I'd come to this realization a month ago, but these damn JP videos just reinforce everything. Couldn't give a damn about the derpy looking OK and his banner, either.
It was a mog king event. The cost of some items were tripled from the JP version for no reason, the currency rates were quite low, and even though she had already been released Lightning was not a bonus character. The second week Gumi greatly increased the currency drops and made Lightning a bonus unit (although that was probably according to plan). It was the first and last time Gumi has (noticeably) adjusted the currency rate of an event while it was happening.
The other part was referring to when Gumi's weekly maintenance would regularly go over time and that one instance when the crystal normalization happened and maintenance got extended bit by bit to ~20 total hours. People though the game was ending they had screwed it up so bad.
Let me repeat myself and say, god fucking dammit is Shiva 3* hard. I used a 100% evade WoL friend thinking it would trivialize the fight and it didn't matter shit because when he AoE covered the PHY nuke attack, my Basch wouldn't trigger the AoE MAG cover and she wiped me.
This is straight up impossible without every unit having ice resist. Ramuh was so much easier in comparison >.>
This is straight up impossible without every unit having ice resist. Ramuh was so much easier in comparison >.>
Shouta
Member
Did you level up Sara? Have just Basch as your tank with as much ice resist as you can and rely on Sara's skill for evades on the big physical attack.
Basch, Main Attacker, Sara, Debuffer (Lid, if possible), Healer, works well though I just did it with a friend Ramza to make it easier since I didn't need the magicite machine.
I can put up my Roy with ice gear if you need a Bard.
Yeowch.
Can you muster up enough for the step 5 before it goes away?
She attacks two times and Sara AoE evade only last one hit. She basically wipe the entire team on her second attack even with the 100% DEF buff up >.>
Edit: I didn't break her attack though, I'll try that again.
Edit2: Nope, even with a 50% ATK break she wipes the team (except Basch and Ayaka, barely) on her second hit.
Good luck, RNG gods blessed me when I payed the toll. Now I'm scared of my future actions if we keep getting these devilish banners.
That's the thing. I'm sure we'll be getting these banners on a monthly basis from now. The temptation from the 2x 3x rainbow rate on the 4th/5th step is too great to ignore. I used to be in the camp that believe daily pulls have more values than 10+1 pulls but this step gacha totally changed my mindset.
I'm usually very good at restraining myself at spending money on these games but this shit is gonna be the end of me.]
Btw I think I put around 220% ice resist on my WoL or Mistair for the Shiva fight + keeping Ba-Freezega up for the entire match. Can't remember my exact setup though but yes she's one hell of a bitch boss fight.
A lot of overreaction and whining from people who attempt(And many who still do) take JP current and compare to GL current.
Here is a good breakdown
Basically, GL has had better Mog King events since the start. Many people crying, don't take into account JP had worse rates to start, didn't have bonuses, nor had as many good items.
It's been the same song and dance since the start
GL Player: But JP has it so much better!
JP Player: Actually, it wasn't like that back then for us either, insert how we got better rewards, rates, etc for the same time.
*Wait two weeks*
Rinse and repeat.
I honestly feel for Natza on Reddit, since he's babysitting an entire forum of people.
Shouta
Member
A barblizzard or something like it is the additional punch you need and some gear if you can nab it.. I was able to survive with Sarah's dodge, Lid's attack down, S2 Fina's Divine Veil 80% ATK/DEF with 45% All elements. I think a few folks still ended up dropping though. 2nd turn she casts magic though so Basch can cover your team for that while you get up again.
Decided to delete the game today. The Nier raid moogle rates made me really question what this game is doing, and this is taking into account that I was lucky enough to pull 2B. I was hopin to stick around long enough for FF7 and Thea rest of the FFX characters, but I just can't justify it.
Thanks for the all the help in this thread though! I know I asked a lot of questions and I'm thankful for all of the answers.
Thanks for the all the help in this thread though! I know I asked a lot of questions and I'm thankful for all of the answers.
indigo-cyclops
Member
It's definitely a lot for a mobile game, I agree. Disgusting really. But when talking about the JP rates/step up banner like this, if you're going to give in and spend it could be a lot worse.
It really sucks these games are like this. But yes, to each his own. Many people probably see the value in spending that when they've put 1000+ hours into the game.
Shouta
Member
So, I did a bit of testing with Lila's builds. a 709 SPR DW build does about the same as 1039 ATK DW build for her. It's likely because of the stronger mods on that attack for her. The damage should jump very nicely if I can get her closer to 1000 SPR. Imbue and Imperils work for her SPR based attacks too which help it.
I really think Gumi is going to have to push the 3% rate up much sooner, looking over this videos. This discrepancy between JP and GL is way too fucking large right now. Specifically for a game that is heavily invested into the online community. It's already been confirmed they read reddit and response to it.
5 pulls got what, 12 Rainbows? When 5 pulls here isn't even on average to hit one.
Even if they didn't want to boost the rate, a variation of the step up system could easily be brought over right now.
As it is right now, I think it's going to hurt the game's populace too much to drag it out.
5 pulls got what, 12 Rainbows? When 5 pulls here isn't even on average to hit one.
Even if they didn't want to boost the rate, a variation of the step up system could easily be brought over right now.
As it is right now, I think it's going to hurt the game's populace too much to drag it out.
That was quite the read. It's pretty interesting to read how things were before I started playing. Think if I was around during that troll rainbow period I wouldn't have lasted.
On another note, not having manufactured nethicite and fighting Sol did not go so great. Saw I can use Celes and go that route to seal the magic at least so I can buff myself up. That fight was probably the biggest surprise I've run into. Was brutal.
Shouta
Member
The juxtaposition of someone getting screwed by RNG on the step up system in JP as other people are discussing how GL needs step up system is mildly entertaining.
The step up system is conceptually neat, but even if Gumi was going to bring it to GL - and it would be in a reduced fashion, should that happen, 9% rainbows aren't on the cards for GL by any means - they'd need to accompany it with a valuable banner. Ayaka (if they put a second rainbow on her banner) or Cloud, maybe.
I'd also mention that right now, the agonizing over step up is happening in this thread more than it's happening on Reddit, though it's early in the banner.
It's certainly a funny evolution of JP foresight influencing pull decisions. I remember the halcyon days of people not pulling for units on GL because better units would come, per JP knowledge. Now it's waiting on business practice changes instead of unit releases. I think it would probably be smarter to just make a JP account.
The step up system is conceptually neat, but even if Gumi was going to bring it to GL - and it would be in a reduced fashion, should that happen, 9% rainbows aren't on the cards for GL by any means - they'd need to accompany it with a valuable banner. Ayaka (if they put a second rainbow on her banner) or Cloud, maybe.
I'd also mention that right now, the agonizing over step up is happening in this thread more than it's happening on Reddit, though it's early in the banner.
It's certainly a funny evolution of JP foresight influencing pull decisions. I remember the halcyon days of people not pulling for units on GL because better units would come, per JP knowledge. Now it's waiting on business practice changes instead of unit releases. I think it would probably be smarter to just make a JP account.
Advocatus Diaboli
Member
Meanwhile, I'm angsting over what happens to the party characters...
Poor Dark Fina! I hope you survive...
If each crystal has a 9% chance of getting a rainbow, your actual chance of getting a single one is:
1 - (0,91^10) = 1 - 0,389416 = 0,6105 = 61,05%
It has been a while since I studied probability though.
My warning to everyone in here regarding the RNG is that if you get no rainbow units in your first 10+1 pull, it's better to way a day or something like that instead of trying more. I mentioned before how people should be wary of how RNG works, but here it goes a quick explanation:
1) A RNG picks up a "seed" number, which is the start of a sequence. How it does depends on the method.
2) The RNG does some math equations on top of the seed number in order to "pull" the next number of the "random" sequence.
This is where it gets tricky. Let's suppose a number lottery where I can pick numbers from 1 to 100 and let's categorize the possible RNGs:
- Ideal RNG: the chance of every number is 1%. This ideal RNG, as far as I know, doesn't exist.
- Good RNG: The chance of every number is very close to 1%. Some numbers will have a bigger chance to come out, while others a lesser chance, but still a fair game.
- Bad RNG: There are big variations all over the place. Some numbers will be much more common and others might not be pulled at all. This happens because the RNG is a sequence where it does this:
seed -> math equation -> number 1 -> math equation -> number 2 -> math equation -> number 3 -> math equation -> number 4 and so forth.
If the RNG isn't well developed (and this isn't easy), it leads to:
seed -> math equation -> number 1 -> math equation -> number 2 -> math equation -> number 3 -> math equation -> same number as seed -> math equation -> number 1 again -> math equation -> number 2 again and so forth.
Since I am playing about 4 gatcha games currently, I am seeing such pattern from time to time. So if I do a bad pull then I know that my "seed" isn't good and usually wait a few hours or a day to see if my next "seed" is better. So far, it has been working very well.
Yes, I absolutely overreacted and just pulled that 90% number out of my ass.
I had thought about your concept of seeds before too. I can't say for sure if it helped me or not when I try to follow that pattern and I find it hard to believe that their RNGs would be drawing seeds that is dependent on an individual user's info.
I feel like when a banner is released and tons of people rush to pull - there are literally hundreds of RNGs being generated every second. Because the denominator is so big I'm willing to bet there are rainbows being generated every second so following such an assumption that should be the best time to pull.
That assumption has been kind of working for me recently but it could be just placebo effect.
I had thought about your concept of seeds before too. I can't say for sure if it helped me or not when I try to follow that pattern and I find it hard to believe that their RNGs would be drawing seeds that is dependent on an individual user's info.
I feel like when a banner is released and tons of people rush to pull - there are literally hundreds of RNGs being generated every second. Because the denominator is so big I'm willing to bet there are rainbows being generated every second so following such an assumption that should be the best time to pull.
That assumption has been kind of working for me recently but it could be just placebo effect.
The seed can be pretty much anything. Time, day, a number from the processor, anything really.It isn't necessarily dependant on the individual user information.
The server will treat each client as an individual thread so the results of others shouldn't really affect yours.
If you were thinking about physical goods, your idea is correct. If everyone else is pulling rainbow units, then they are currently making a lot of those units, so my chances of pulling one now are higher. That is true.
However, since the prize is digital, there are no limits on how many copies it can have.
Lila is my nee fav. Unit. Once she she arrives in Global i'm actually more dedicated to pulling her than seph. He may be an angel but she is a goddess.
Shouta
Member
Her sprite is super amazing too, well animated, lots of personality. Her attack animations are great too, especially her LB. I like her story as well. Considering how much potential she has, I'll be working on her for awhile.
Someone on my friends list has her up with 1000 SPR, that might be my next goal right now while I wait to get 2 Clouds and an Elfried for DH builds.
I'm so glad I got all my shit with tickets. I still have 13000 Lapis just in case this happens. I know it won't but I can dream!
witchedwiz
Member
Ok you get 3 full priced game then..
But you're right I checked in eur it's 160 eur approximately..
Still a tad too much
i feel relieved that I gave up my whaling in gacha long before ffbe
jasminlovesyoux
Banned
I feel like a fucking idiot for ever putting money into this. Wish I could take out all back and just buy a nice PC instead. FML.
Watching more of the Japanese seph pulls is really making me salty as FUCK.
Watching more of the Japanese seph pulls is really making me salty as FUCK.
What's the gear? I have zero SPR stuff so whatever she needs will take a good while >.>
Shouta
Member
Magi Staff (Lenna TMR)
Holy Wand (12 Weapons)
Frozen Wing Crown (or whatever it's called, Ice bird trial)
Apron Dress (Amelia TMR)
Exceed Ring
Genji Glove
Water Veritas TMR x2
Staff Mastery
Will to Live (Crowe TMR)
Still another 50% or so SPR that they can get in passives. Replacing the Magi Staff with a Nirvana from Yuna would be the best in slot for staves. Helm and Body are BiS. This is a 965 Lila. With the missing stuff, it's 1101 SPR in total, I think. I don't know what esper they're using though. The Exceed ring is the only thing that's kinda crazy but it's still a lot of TMRs in general.
It's a lot but you also have to consider her attacks are 1000% attack mod and they are affected by Killers and Elements. So you're getting 1500% attacks at 1000~ SPR with a simple -50% Imperil and Imbue, which she has. She can also do it twice per turn. So in terms of magic damage, she's pretty disgusting. If you can get a chaining partner for her, she could be the best source of ST magic damage in the game.
Edit: well, physical based magic damage, I guess? It doesn't work on Bloody Moon so it's not a magic attack strictly speaking, lol.
Actually I just gave her Aidan's robe (38 spr) so I can slap 2 of Y'shtola's enhanced TM on her (25% spr with staff + 25% spr with robe).
Holy Wand
Nirvana
Frozen feather crown
Aidan Robe
Genji Glove
Vanille TM
Y'shtola enhanced TM x 2
staff mastery
Hat Ritual (Ice Bird Trial Reward)
With a lv 31 Shiva *3 I have 907 spr so far. Was able to do 2.6 mil on training dummy with 3 consecutive hits of her 45mp skill with her own 80% spr buff.
Holy Wand
Nirvana
Frozen feather crown
Aidan Robe
Genji Glove
Vanille TM
Y'shtola enhanced TM x 2
staff mastery
Hat Ritual (Ice Bird Trial Reward)
With a lv 31 Shiva *3 I have 907 spr so far. Was able to do 2.6 mil on training dummy with 3 consecutive hits of her 45mp skill with her own 80% spr buff.
Followup: So I submitted a support ticket for this issue and I actually was given my two magic keys back. They probably didn't fix the exploration yet but if you fall for the same bug you may be able to get your keys back like me. Gumi did a good this time. As much as we rag on them (often justifiably), it's important to acknowledge when they do stuff right too. This was my first time submitting a support ticket and they handled it well.
Shouta
Member
Y'shtola's is 25% SPR with Staff, 25% Def with robe as I recall. Silt's new TM is 50% though! =o
Oh right, I'm so tired I forgot the kanji was feather, lol.
Shouta
Member
30 more minutes.
Did daily and got Sara, did 2 ticket pulls and got OK....this makes two banners with stupid luck now, and i didnt even want OK D: just wanted a few banner units for the moogle king.
http://i.imgur.com/9hlo8oP.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/9hlo8oP.jpg
Officerrob
Banned
Decided to do a few tickets, just looking for a little banner help for the Mog King:
Shadow
Duane
Duane
Shadow
OK, I'm done
Shadow
Duane
Duane
Shadow
OK, I'm done