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RedAssedApe
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I'm really liking the soundtrack to this one. Except I wish they had fanfare in there after winning a battle. What they have in place right now seems so bland.
Kind of surprised there are no Uematsu tracks on this one. I know he's on FFXIV but I doubt that one will sell anywhere near the numbers as a regular FF game.
Kind of surprised there are no Uematsu tracks on this one. I know he's on FFXIV but I doubt that one will sell anywhere near the numbers as a regular FF game.
Dedication Through Light
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survivor said:
I was thinking of doing that but somehow I ended up with a lot of CP from the previous chapter and as I go through this place, Ive essentially got no more places to even spend the CP, lol. Im so ready for the crystarium areas to open up even more.
Unknown One
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Just got to Chapter 11 and this game is great. I would give it a 9/10 if it wasn't for the beginning of having no party choices I would have given this game a 9+. So many things to do it's kind of overwhelming.
Was anyone else a bit annoyed by the lack of Battle Theme in Chapters 7, 8 and 9? Having the field track overlap with battles is cool when done right (like with Beatrix and Steiner defending Alexandria in FFIX), but these stretches were too long, especially in Chapter 9 with all those Vikings who have 140.000 HP 
DangerousDave
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For all people complaining about the unidimensional characters... I suppose that this is your first Final Fantasy ever, isn't it?
Final Fantasy XIII is Hamlet, compared with the completly archetypical characters of, for example VII, VIII or X. And I don't even compare it with XII because their characters are even more unidimensional than in the rest of FF.
Almost any FF character motivation is "Ey, we're gonna save the world, wanna join" "Sure!"
Final Fantasy XIII is Hamlet, compared with the completly archetypical characters of, for example VII, VIII or X. And I don't even compare it with XII because their characters are even more unidimensional than in the rest of FF.
Almost any FF character motivation is "Ey, we're gonna save the world, wanna join" "Sure!"
The sound programmers hate Masashi Hamauzu, I'm sure. Stretching Fang's Theme out for basically the entirety of Chapter 9 was cruel and unusual. There's no way he could have composed a 2 hour theme :lolPeff said:Was anyone else a bit annoyed by the lack of Battle Theme in Chapters 7, 8 and 9? Having the field track overlap with battles is cool when done right (like with Beatrix and Steiner defending Alexandria in FFIX), but these stretches were too long, especially in Chapter 9 with all those Vikings who have 140.000 HP
Fun Factor
Formerly FTWer
Alex said:
Christ almighty, his mother died in front of his eyes just hours ago & you want him to be a happy go lucky sort of soldier?
As for Vanille, apparently there is a twist to her story about a dozen hours in that explains her attitude.
The characters in this game outside of Snow are far & away the least cliched in a jRPG in a long while.
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DangerousDave said:
YES! thank you.
Unknown One
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Exactly, the characters actually develops. I hated Hope at first and now he manned up and he is ok now. I can't speak for FF12 though I got turned off from the start.DangerousDave said:
Grivenger said:
Totally wrong; some of the best literary comedy out there, such as Voltaire's Candide, is effective because it uses one-dimensional, extremely stubborn characters going through ridiculous, although cleverly described, ordeals.
And Vanille
isn't really unaware of the drama that unfolding around her; she is actually the only character that from the very beginning understands what exactly is going on and it is because she understand that she decides to run away from Eden as fast as she can.
It's Final Fantasy, I didn't start playing expecting some bloody political drama. It's going to have heroes and heroines doing the usual save-the-world shit with feathery hair and anime-esque faces. And along those lines, XIII does a damn good job.Grivenger said:
I mean, I'd like another FF game similar to what was done in Tactics, but it's unlikely that SquareEnix will ever do anything like it ever again. So I'll just enjoy the fluffy JPOP goodness that they seem content to produce.
Hcoregamer00
The 'H' stands for hentai.
I have been playing the game for a while, the battle system is superb. It is action packed, very fast pacing, and has a very strong strategic element to it. I hope that the battle system doesn't end with one game, like many RPG's. There is so much potential to develop it further and make it even better.
As for the characters, I do like Sazh and Lightning a lot, Vanille is tolerable, and I just plain hate Snow and Hope. Every time Hope talks I just want to push him off a cliff. Snow sounds like a reject from Naruto or One Piece.
The music is so great, I love the battle theme and the boss battle theme. The graphics are amazing. I am liking this game a lot, this may end up being one of my favorite games in the franchise. I just wish that there were towns to explore and that it wasn't so darn linear, if they did that FF13 would be my near the top of the list, as opposed to being somewhere near the middle.
As for the characters, I do like Sazh and Lightning a lot, Vanille is tolerable, and I just plain hate Snow and Hope. Every time Hope talks I just want to push him off a cliff. Snow sounds like a reject from Naruto or One Piece.
The music is so great, I love the battle theme and the boss battle theme. The graphics are amazing. I am liking this game a lot, this may end up being one of my favorite games in the franchise. I just wish that there were towns to explore and that it wasn't so darn linear, if they did that FF13 would be my near the top of the list, as opposed to being somewhere near the middle.
Unknown One
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Stagger them. Hit them with a Commando and then switch to a double ravenger to stagger and switch to a commando to launch it in the air and kick it's ass.Peff said:Was anyone else a bit annoyed by the lack of Battle Theme in Chapters 7, 8 and 9? Having the field track overlap with battles is cool when done right (like with Beatrix and Steiner defending Alexandria in FFIX), but these stretches were too long, especially in Chapter 9 with all those Vikings who have 140.000 HP
fistwell_old
Member
Yeah, for reals. This game is a cavalcade of fail. Story and (most) characters are shit, combat's rubbish... either tedious grind or complete breeze... what the shit is this?? Or did i need to be 12 to enjoy this game?Alex said:
DangerousDave
Member
For example, there are a lot of parallelism between Snow Resistance group and Barret Avalanch.
In FF VII, because of Avalanch, all the people in district 7 died (that's like 1/8 of all Midgard population?), including Avalanch people. But, well, Barret daughter is saved, so nothing matters. Barret don't feel any kind of responsability with the dead of those thousand of people, when they exit from Midgard. And, as soon as the world map is displayed, all that thousands of people that have died (including friends and families) doesn't matter anymore.
Now compare it with how FF XIII (chapter 7 spoiler)
In FF VII, because of Avalanch, all the people in district 7 died (that's like 1/8 of all Midgard population?), including Avalanch people. But, well, Barret daughter is saved, so nothing matters. Barret don't feel any kind of responsability with the dead of those thousand of people, when they exit from Midgard. And, as soon as the world map is displayed, all that thousands of people that have died (including friends and families) doesn't matter anymore.
Now compare it with how FF XIII (chapter 7 spoiler)
manages the feeling of Snow and Hope, when Snow is as responsable of the deaths of the initial chapter as Barret of the Sector 7 destruction.
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no, but good taste helps.Fistwell said:
Unknown One
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This game seems like a pain in the ass to platinum. Hold every weapon and accessory in the game will take forever and that includes 2nd tier weapon upgrades and upgraded accessories.
Castor Krieg
Banned
Ballistictiger said:
90-120 hours for Jp version, not too much for an RPG. It doesn't have crazy requirements, and once you are strong enough to fight big turtles it's smooth sailing.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
I'm quite far into the game now and must admit that I'm forgiving it some of its sins. This happened really, after I realized that more than anything the game draws on FFVI as much as FFX, because (I assume EVERYONE knows about Gran Pulse and the open area in the middle of the game) the first part of the game is essentially World of Balance from FFVI where you have scripted party switches dependent on plot, and Gran Pulse is World of Ruin where you have a full deck of party members and full control, and a large world to explore for sidequests before committing to the endgame.
The thing is, the story in the game is making this structure feel very organic. So it works.
I am glad to know that there is actually actually a postgame this time, with a save after the credits to reload the game world. I do wish they'd gone the extra step however and done new game+ to play through the entire game with super versions of the Cocoon enemies and such and new mobs with your character builds carrying over.
The thing is, the story in the game is making this structure feel very organic. So it works.
I am glad to know that there is actually actually a postgame this time, with a save after the credits to reload the game world. I do wish they'd gone the extra step however and done new game+ to play through the entire game with super versions of the Cocoon enemies and such and new mobs with your character builds carrying over.
mjemirzian
Banned
Pein said:
Stagger it when it's on the ground then juggle it, use a sentinel to tank the hit, or use a summon.
Yet another boss is destroying me
I posted a strat for this boss recently on this thread.
Try challenging yourself and not using shrouds or grinding.
SixStringPsycho
Member
how do I switch leaders?
Hey, so now that I have a choice, I use Lightning, Fang, and Vanille. I see a lot of people like using Hope though. So anyone want to break down why they like using particular characters? I know that
, but since that takes a crazy amount of time, let's pretend you can't.
You'll know how once you are able to.
you can ultimately make any character any role
SixStringPsycho said:
You'll know how once you are able to.
Doesn't happen till chapter 9, I believe.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
It's probably because Fang and Vanille both have Saboteur. I think Vanille is the better healer though.
Dedication Through Light
Member
Castor Krieg said:
Thats all, then thats pretty short, I have that many hours in Disgaea 3, and only have 1 trophy (120 hrs), lol.
I will try to platinum this game, seems kind of easy to be honest.
I never posted in a official thread before, and while I have many thoughts on FFXII, the only one I have to convey right now is that the fight music in this is so fucking awesome. There's a particular section that is around 0:50 seconds in that is so incredibly sublime. I just love it. Okay, going back to playing now!
jiien said:
Because you get every role for the AI-controlled characters, which allows a huge potential of combinations, and Lightning acts as reinforcements. Hope is a pretty good healer and ravager since he has the most magic power, whereas Fang is a great Saboteur and Sentinel. Also,
yes, you COULD in theory get any role with any character, but the CP cost is absolutely insane for non-starting roles. The first level is 3000 CP per sphere and it only goes up.
RPGCrazied
Member
ahhh.. that ambling hunt in teh tower.. i died so many times on that one.
Alex
Member
There's a lot of these points in every Final Fantasy game. I personally think XIII draws on VI the hardest by far. A LOT of the game structure is taken straight from VI, it's just not as noticeable with 15 years of technology on it.
The same initially hyper linear, specific set piece heavy, oppressed magic using fugitive style, party splitting, primarily character driven, dual world design.
You can scramble that to link to quite a few, but its never as blatant. This game is basically FFVI in FFX's shoes with a whole bunch of wonkyness dropped on top of it.
Little less stupidity and they can get it a little more open and evenly paced and start trying to take a modern spin on that traditionalism.
It's a good game, I like the game a lot, but I also think it needs a new director. I mean I liked X-2 also, but the same things that prop up XIII propped up X-2, it's certainly not the direction. Still, there's a lot of good elements to the game that I hope don't get thrown out, again, due to internet angst.
They should probably be tech sharing with XIV for the next single player title, but I have no idea how these dev houses work, especially Square. But I can't imagine getting some detailed towns and explorable segments outside of a big, secondary field environment would be too terribly hard when another team is writing that now using the same engine.
Edit: Oop, looks like Kaijima said a lot of this too! Well at least I know I'm not the only one who noticed this stuff.
Castor Krieg
Banned
jiien said:
I'm running with Lightning for the muscle, Vanille for cheap wins with Death and great Saboteur spells, and Hope for Synergist and Ravager. This way I can have 3xMedic :lol
Y2Kev said:
I like the character themes and battle themes, but a lot of the songs for certain areas have been really bland, and the fanfare is plain bad. The (first) Chocobo song is...interesting, but I'm kinda indifferent on it.
The songs in Pulse are better than the one in Cocoon though, there's two I've heard so far that are great.
I like Hamauzu a lot, but what he did with XIII's OST isn't really my thing I guess.
Gamer @ Heart
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Finally made it to grand pulse! Time to grind!!
What items to i need to harvest and what weapons should i upgrade to tier three for each character? i want the best dammit.
What items to i need to harvest and what weapons should i upgrade to tier three for each character? i want the best dammit.
Scythesurge
Member
Getting into Chapter 7 now and I'm loving the battle system very much, it's such a unique and interesting beast.
mjemirzian
Banned
Want to be good at FFXIII? The game will be easy if you follow these tips!
How to stagger enemies:
1. Commando or Saboteur: The Commando or Saboteur will cause the stagger gague to decline more slowly.
2. Ravagers: Ravagers will be able to quickly increase the stagger gague, which is now slowed from the Commando or Saboteur attacks. You may need to occasionally switch back to commando/saboteur to refresh the stagger gague decline rate bonus.
3. Commandos: Once an enemy is staggered, switch back to Commandos to deal heavy damage and perform air juggles.
4. Against later bosses and enemies you'll need to keep up buffs and debuffs so don't forget to rotate syn and sab classes in there.
5. If your party is fully Hasted and paradigm cancelling (see below) between 2x rav/rav/rav, you can break any bar without needing a commando/saboteur to slow the decline rate, because you can refresh the meter faster than it can decline.
Paradigm Cancel - The game awards you a free full ATB bar for every other paradigm switch as long as you filled the ATB bar entirely before switching. Charge ATB - switch - free full ATB - Charge ATB - switch - free full ATB, etc. You can do this with any paradigm config, even something like 2x rav/rav/rav.
So for example you start the battle. Your ATB bar charges up, and you perform your actions. Now switch to another paradigm and your ATB bar will be fully charged without having to wait. Then since you just got a free full bar, you have to wait to charge that one up again before switching. Note that after using your free bar you can still switch to other paradigms in the meantime, but you won't get another free one until you let the bar fully charge again then switch.
Paradigm Cancel sets - It's best to set up your paradigms assuming that you are going to cancel between two similar sets to double up on whatever goal you're got in combat. That means at least 3 'cancel sets' made up of two paradigms each, and possibly more if you can work them in. Here are two examples:
Lightning, Sahz, and Hope
Cancel Set 1 (stagger): rav/rav/rav, rav/rav/rav
Cancel Set 2 (buff) : com/com/syn, com/syn/syn
Cancel Set 3 (heal): com/com/med, med/syn/med
Cancel Set 4 (start of battle buffing vs high damage enemies): com/syn/syn, med/syn/med
Cancel Set 5 (commandos vs staggered target): com/com/syn, com/com/med
Lightning, Snow, and Hope
Cancel Set 1 (stagger): rav/rav/rav, rav/rav/rav
Cancel Set 2 (buff) : com/com/syn, com/com/syn
Cancel Set 3 (heal): med/sen/med, med/sen/syn
Cancel Set 4 (start of battle buffing vs high damage enemies): com/com/syn, med/sen/syn
Cancel Set 5 (commandos vs staggered target): com/com/syn, com/com/syn
Minimizing the paradigm switch animation delay - You can maximize the benefit of paradigm cancel by switching at the very second your character starts the animation of their last attack. For example, Lightning always does a backflip on her last attack, so as soon as you see her start her backflip animation, switch paradigms (make sure you have the paradigm menu open already). Now, you'll notice that every time you paradigm switch she will flip her sword around and there's an animation delay. But when you switch at the moment she starts her final attack animation, the game accepts her final attack animation in place of the sword flipping delay, allowing you to switch faster and take advantage of that full free ATB bar waiting for you. This is something that will take practice, timing, and skill.
Take charged ATB actions immediately - press triangle to immediately execute the charged actions. This is useful if you want to immediately pick off an almost dead enemy that just needs one more hit to go down. This is also useful for commandos early in the game because you can keep an enemy permanently juggled with repeated Launches.
Cancel queued action - Press circle to immediately cancel actions in progress. You can use this to go into emergency defense/heal mode. Or if you are playing as a medic and your current move no longer makes sense, press circle to cancel and do something else.
Always use Libra on enemies. It makes your CPU controlled allies perform more effective attacks vs the enemy weakness, and your own auto-battle command chooses abilities more intelligently as well.
You get a rank from 1-5 stars after every battle. The amount of stars you get is based on how fast you completed the battle, and the time requirement is based on allied and enemy stats. Star ranking affects item drop rates and TP recovery. You have a higher chance of getting Deceptisol if you win fights with 0 stars.
There are few enemies in the game that require a sentinel or saboteur. The most effective parties are heavy on dps, buffs, and healing.
When leveling up your crystarium, always go for abilities first.
You can quickly remake a paradigm set by using the Generate feature then touching things up.
Weapon upgrades - Creature scraps (sold by Creature Comforts) increase XP bonus up to 3x, mechanical parts (sold by Lenora's Garage) reward more XP but reduce XP bonus. The two component types have different icons, one looks like two crossed horns, the other is a screw/bolt. So you want to use scraps to increase XP bonus, then cash in the multiplier with parts. Even without grinding the game hands you lots of upgrade materials.
You never need to grind or use shrouds to get through the game. You can get 5 stars on every boss fight without grinding or using shrouds. Challenge yourself.
How to stagger enemies:
1. Commando or Saboteur: The Commando or Saboteur will cause the stagger gague to decline more slowly.
2. Ravagers: Ravagers will be able to quickly increase the stagger gague, which is now slowed from the Commando or Saboteur attacks. You may need to occasionally switch back to commando/saboteur to refresh the stagger gague decline rate bonus.
3. Commandos: Once an enemy is staggered, switch back to Commandos to deal heavy damage and perform air juggles.
4. Against later bosses and enemies you'll need to keep up buffs and debuffs so don't forget to rotate syn and sab classes in there.
5. If your party is fully Hasted and paradigm cancelling (see below) between 2x rav/rav/rav, you can break any bar without needing a commando/saboteur to slow the decline rate, because you can refresh the meter faster than it can decline.
Paradigm Cancel - The game awards you a free full ATB bar for every other paradigm switch as long as you filled the ATB bar entirely before switching. Charge ATB - switch - free full ATB - Charge ATB - switch - free full ATB, etc. You can do this with any paradigm config, even something like 2x rav/rav/rav.
So for example you start the battle. Your ATB bar charges up, and you perform your actions. Now switch to another paradigm and your ATB bar will be fully charged without having to wait. Then since you just got a free full bar, you have to wait to charge that one up again before switching. Note that after using your free bar you can still switch to other paradigms in the meantime, but you won't get another free one until you let the bar fully charge again then switch.
Paradigm Cancel sets - It's best to set up your paradigms assuming that you are going to cancel between two similar sets to double up on whatever goal you're got in combat. That means at least 3 'cancel sets' made up of two paradigms each, and possibly more if you can work them in. Here are two examples:
Lightning, Sahz, and Hope
Cancel Set 1 (stagger): rav/rav/rav, rav/rav/rav
Cancel Set 2 (buff) : com/com/syn, com/syn/syn
Cancel Set 3 (heal): com/com/med, med/syn/med
Cancel Set 4 (start of battle buffing vs high damage enemies): com/syn/syn, med/syn/med
Cancel Set 5 (commandos vs staggered target): com/com/syn, com/com/med
Lightning, Snow, and Hope
Cancel Set 1 (stagger): rav/rav/rav, rav/rav/rav
Cancel Set 2 (buff) : com/com/syn, com/com/syn
Cancel Set 3 (heal): med/sen/med, med/sen/syn
Cancel Set 4 (start of battle buffing vs high damage enemies): com/com/syn, med/sen/syn
Cancel Set 5 (commandos vs staggered target): com/com/syn, com/com/syn
Minimizing the paradigm switch animation delay - You can maximize the benefit of paradigm cancel by switching at the very second your character starts the animation of their last attack. For example, Lightning always does a backflip on her last attack, so as soon as you see her start her backflip animation, switch paradigms (make sure you have the paradigm menu open already). Now, you'll notice that every time you paradigm switch she will flip her sword around and there's an animation delay. But when you switch at the moment she starts her final attack animation, the game accepts her final attack animation in place of the sword flipping delay, allowing you to switch faster and take advantage of that full free ATB bar waiting for you. This is something that will take practice, timing, and skill.
Take charged ATB actions immediately - press triangle to immediately execute the charged actions. This is useful if you want to immediately pick off an almost dead enemy that just needs one more hit to go down. This is also useful for commandos early in the game because you can keep an enemy permanently juggled with repeated Launches.
Cancel queued action - Press circle to immediately cancel actions in progress. You can use this to go into emergency defense/heal mode. Or if you are playing as a medic and your current move no longer makes sense, press circle to cancel and do something else.
Always use Libra on enemies. It makes your CPU controlled allies perform more effective attacks vs the enemy weakness, and your own auto-battle command chooses abilities more intelligently as well.
You get a rank from 1-5 stars after every battle. The amount of stars you get is based on how fast you completed the battle, and the time requirement is based on allied and enemy stats. Star ranking affects item drop rates and TP recovery. You have a higher chance of getting Deceptisol if you win fights with 0 stars.
There are few enemies in the game that require a sentinel or saboteur. The most effective parties are heavy on dps, buffs, and healing.
When leveling up your crystarium, always go for abilities first.
You can quickly remake a paradigm set by using the Generate feature then touching things up.
Weapon upgrades - Creature scraps (sold by Creature Comforts) increase XP bonus up to 3x, mechanical parts (sold by Lenora's Garage) reward more XP but reduce XP bonus. The two component types have different icons, one looks like two crossed horns, the other is a screw/bolt. So you want to use scraps to increase XP bonus, then cash in the multiplier with parts. Even without grinding the game hands you lots of upgrade materials.
You never need to grind or use shrouds to get through the game. You can get 5 stars on every boss fight without grinding or using shrouds. Challenge yourself.
Mr.Squirrel
Tom
Im on chapter 7 and uhhhhhh, yeah this game is pretty bad. I'm hoping to god it'll get better but so far it's been just so fucking linear, the story isn't that great, and the battle system is pretty much just mash x. no real strategy involved so far.
I'm praying to god versus gives me the JRPG fix that I need.
I'm praying to god versus gives me the JRPG fix that I need.
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